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DonViejo (60,023 posts)

Fauci: Military personnel opting out of vaccine are 'part of the problem'

Source: The Hill

BY CELINE CASTRONUOVO - 03/05/21 08:10 AM EST

Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, on Thursday, told U.S. military members that those of them who decide not to get the coronavirus vaccine are inadvertently “part of the problem” of prolonging the pandemic.

While speaking in a town hall with Blue Star Families, a nonprofit organization dedicated to serving military personnel and their families, Fauci told service members that they are “part of the solution to this outbreak.”

“Because by getting infected, even though you may not know it, you may be inadvertently transmitting the infection to someone else, even though you have no symptoms,” Fauci said during the event, according to CNBC.

“In reality, like it or not, you’re propagating this outbreak,” the White House’s chief medical adviser added. “So instead of being part of the solution, you are innocently and inadvertently being part of the problem by not getting vaccinated.”

Read more: https://thehill.com/policy/defense/541768-fauci-military-personnel-opting-out-of-vaccine-are-part-of-the-problem

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Fauci: Military personnel opting out of vaccine are 'part of the problem' (Original post)	DonViejo	Mar 5	OP
They are government property. Order them.	underpants	Mar 5	#1
I knew about sunburns but not snowball fights.	Phoenix61	Mar 5	#4
Snowball fights are a no-no	underpants	Mar 5	#17
I read an article that they can't order vaccines mandatory until FDA approval	jimfields33	Mar 5	#7
That's what	Rebl2	Mar 5	#20
When I served in the Army, we followed orders, no one complained we knew it was for our own good.	KS Toronado	Mar 5	#49
Some military objected to the anthrax shots - (Doe v Rumsfeld) 2005	womanofthehills	Mar 5	#53
Yeah, that went out when the government invented LSD and other mind altering drugs	Calista241	Mar 5	#9
Soldiers are still used, with their consent, to test experimental drugs	underpants	Mar 5	#16
You don't know the facts. The government did NOT invent LSD. Look it up. . . . nt	Bernardo de La Paz	Mar 5	#45
Yes, but they did test it on people without their consent	Yeehah	Mar 5	#59
Here is an article explaining the process	jimfields33	Mar 5	#10
When the vaccines receive standard FDA approval (right now they just have emergency authorization)	hlthe2b	Mar 5	#13
Thank you.	underpants	Mar 5	#15
spent the first ten years of my life in the Marines	mountain grammy	Mar 5	#21
You received mandated FDA-approved vaccines recommended by ACIP for adults. See my post upstream	hlthe2b	Mar 5	#24
Sorry that's an excuse	mountain grammy	Mar 5	#36
You apparently did not fully read what I posted to you. They CAN legally mandate	hlthe2b	Mar 5	#41
I read it and comprehended it..	mountain grammy	Mar 5	#42
Decades of working in public health, I can assure you I know exactly what NEEDS to occur.	hlthe2b	Mar 5	#43
"living and working in close quarters"	RotorHead	Mar 7	#66
"They are government property."	RotorHead	Mar 7	#65
A legitimate beef voiced in an unacceptable manner. No need for that tone.	marble falls	Mar 7	#73
I have to agree with the poster.	TwilightZone	Mar 7	#74
In other words: A legitimate beef voiced in a nasty way ...	marble falls	Mar 7	#75
RotorHead	DashOneBravo	Mar 7	#76
I had no idea....	RotorHead	Mar 7	#81
Good lord	DashOneBravo	Mar 8	#83
"Good lord"	RotorHead	Mar 10	#84
Like some master sergeants	DashOneBravo	Mar 12	#86
Also	DashOneBravo	Mar 13	#88
I couldn't decline an inoculation in the Navy.	rickford66	Mar 5	#2
The same was true in the Air Force.	LastLiberal in PalmSprings	Mar 5	#11
"I never had a thought of refusing them."	sarge43	Mar 5	#39
I am glad I was inoculated while in the service	Prof. Toru Tanaka	Mar 5	#46
Yes indeed.	sarge43	Mar 5	#50
We were not given a choice when I was in	TimeToGo	Mar 5	#12
(Doe v Rumsfeld) 2005	womanofthehills	Mar 5	#55
Then there was that time five men stood under a nuclear explosion.	LastLiberal in PalmSprings	Mar 5	#14
LLiPS	DENVERPOPS	Mar 5	#52
I live 50 miles north of the Trinity Site	womanofthehills	Mar 5	#56
People living downwind from the nuclear test sites had more cancer cases than those who didn't.	LastLiberal in PalmSprings	Mar 6	#63
I would love to see a map	DENVERPOPS	Mar 7	#64
The info about the plumes can be found online	womanofthehills	Mar 7	#77
I am sad and sorry for everyone down there.	DENVERPOPS	Mar 7	#80
My law firm handled a group of asbestos cases from the Charleston naval shipyard.	LastLiberal in PalmSprings	Mar 8	#82
I couldnt decline in the NG either. Since when did the military start giving a CHOICE?	oldsoftie	Mar 5	#28
2005 - Doe vs Rumsfeld	womanofthehills	Mar 7	#78
I was a Hospital Corpsman in the Coast Guard	Rural_Progressive	Mar 5	#31
This message was self-deleted by its author	jimfields33	Mar 5	#3
In WW II when you went into basic training you got "your shots." End of story	Botany	Mar 5	#5
Maybe if the government didn't invent drugs like LSD and test them on soldiers	Calista241	Mar 5	#8
The "government" didn't invent LSD	OnlinePoker	Mar 5	#40
What Historical Experimenting	RobinA	Mar 5	#44
here's one example	Orangepeel	Mar 6	#62
It was that way in the 80's as well	Major Nikon	Mar 5	#19
Leaders could also hit you and curse you out	jimfields33	Mar 5	#27
Yeah, hitting you is the same as requiring a shot.	oldsoftie	Mar 5	#29
It means they aren't necessarily yes types	jimfields33	Mar 5	#30
My Marine friend laughed at that when I just asked him	Polybius	Mar 5	#57
Yes. If you were in the armed forces, you didn't have a choice	JohnSJ	Mar 5	#34
Is it just me, or is that soldier REALLY excited to serve his country?	NickB79	Mar 6	#61
I think maybe the 75 year history of our government performing medical experiments on soldiers,	Calista241	Mar 5	#6
I don't know how the vaccine is optional for the military	RAB910	Mar 5	#18
The vaccines are not FDA approved yet so military cannot force them to get the shots.	HUAJIAO	Mar 5	#23
Maybe not so " innocently" being part of the problem...	HUAJIAO	Mar 5	#22
Which Part of The Vaccines are NOT....	LovingA2andMI	Mar 5	#25
Some	musclecar6	Mar 5	#26
So is the Mayor of Detroit who is refusing JNJ vaccines for his city, only Moderna and Pfizer	JohnSJ	Mar 5	#32
Are these the same military members wearing the QAnon	BlueIdaho	Mar 5	#33
I wonder how many of them are QANON types?	JohnSJ	Mar 5	#35
It should be mandatory for every state, local, and federal employee	MichMan	Mar 5	#37
There's no reason for anyone to opt out of the vaccine	Dopers_Greed	Mar 5	#38
Covid Vaccines are NOT FDA Approved.	James48	Mar 5	#47
Seriously, this should not be optional. Make it mandatory.	Initech	Mar 5	#48
that's interesting	barbtries	Mar 5	#51
They won't mandate it because it's under EUA	madville	Mar 7	#70
Dr Fauci has such a gentle way of transmitting brutal facts....	Hekate	Mar 5	#54
Maybe the military can't force members to get a vaccine, but they have ways ...	JustABozoOnThisBus	Mar 5	#58
Just think of how easy it will be to note probable RWer insurectionists from a list of anti-vaxers.	marble falls	Mar 6	#60
Weird.	RotorHead	Mar 7	#67
Equating the Covid vaccine with the Anthrax vaccine? Interesting.	mn9driver	Mar 7	#72
The Anthrax vaccine is the reason for "Doe vs Rumsfeld"	womanofthehills	Mar 7	#79
It's utterly stunning....	RotorHead	Mar 7	#68
During my 10 years of active duty, I don't recall ever being "asked" whether I wanted a vaccine.	mn9driver	Mar 7	#69
There are federal court rulings addressing this very thing	madville	Mar 7	#71
Dr. Fauci is corrct. yes. he. is.	riversedge	Mar 11	#85
Plenty of rotten apples in our military	februari	Mar 12	#87

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:33 AM

underpants (161,437 posts)

1. They are government property. Order them.

It’s just like sunburns and snowball fights.

Fauci: Military personnel opting out of vaccine are 'part of the problem'

1. They are government property. Order them.

4. I knew about sunburns but not snowball fights.

17. Snowball fights are a no-no

7. I read an article that they can't order vaccines mandatory until FDA approval

20. That's what

49. When I served in the Army, we followed orders, no one complained we knew it was for our own good.

53. Some military objected to the anthrax shots - (Doe v Rumsfeld) 2005

9. Yeah, that went out when the government invented LSD and other mind altering drugs

16. Soldiers are still used, with their consent, to test experimental drugs

45. You don't know the facts. The government did NOT invent LSD. Look it up. . . . nt

59. Yes, but they did test it on people without their consent

10. Here is an article explaining the process

13. When the vaccines receive standard FDA approval (right now they just have emergency authorization)

15. Thank you.

21. spent the first ten years of my life in the Marines

24. You received mandated FDA-approved vaccines recommended by ACIP for adults. See my post upstream

36. Sorry that's an excuse

41. You apparently did not fully read what I posted to you. They CAN legally mandate

42. I read it and comprehended it..

43. Decades of working in public health, I can assure you I know exactly what NEEDS to occur.

66. "living and working in close quarters"

65. "They are government property."

73. A legitimate beef voiced in an unacceptable manner. No need for that tone.

74. I have to agree with the poster.

75. In other words: A legitimate beef voiced in a nasty way ...

76. RotorHead

81. I had no idea....

83. Good lord

84. "Good lord"

86. Like some master sergeants

88. Also

2. I couldn't decline an inoculation in the Navy.

11. The same was true in the Air Force.

39. "I never had a thought of refusing them."

46. I am glad I was inoculated while in the service

50. Yes indeed.

12. We were not given a choice when I was in

55. (Doe v Rumsfeld) 2005

14. Then there was that time five men stood under a nuclear explosion.

52. LLiPS

56. I live 50 miles north of the Trinity Site

63. People living downwind from the nuclear test sites had more cancer cases than those who didn't.

64. I would love to see a map

77. The info about the plumes can be found online

80. I am sad and sorry for everyone down there.

82. My law firm handled a group of asbestos cases from the Charleston naval shipyard.

28. I couldnt decline in the NG either. Since when did the military start giving a CHOICE?

78. 2005 - Doe vs Rumsfeld

31. I was a Hospital Corpsman in the Coast Guard

5. In WW II when you went into basic training you got "your shots." End of story

8. Maybe if the government didn't invent drugs like LSD and test them on soldiers

40. The "government" didn't invent LSD

44. What Historical Experimenting

62. here's one example

19. It was that way in the 80's as well

27. Leaders could also hit you and curse you out

29. Yeah, hitting you is the same as requiring a shot.

30. It means they aren't necessarily yes types

57. My Marine friend laughed at that when I just asked him

34. Yes. If you were in the armed forces, you didn't have a choice

61. Is it just me, or is that soldier REALLY excited to serve his country?

6. I think maybe the 75 year history of our government performing medical experiments on soldiers,

18. I don't know how the vaccine is optional for the military

23. The vaccines are not FDA approved yet so military cannot force them to get the shots.

22. Maybe not so " innocently" being part of the problem...

25. Which Part of The Vaccines are NOT....

26. Some

32. So is the Mayor of Detroit who is refusing JNJ vaccines for his city, only Moderna and Pfizer

33. Are these the same military members wearing the QAnon

35. I wonder how many of them are QANON types?

37. It should be mandatory for every state, local, and federal employee

38. There's no reason for anyone to opt out of the vaccine

47. Covid Vaccines are NOT FDA Approved.

48. Seriously, this should not be optional. Make it mandatory.

51. that's interesting

70. They won't mandate it because it's under EUA

54. Dr Fauci has such a gentle way of transmitting brutal facts....

58. Maybe the military can't force members to get a vaccine, but they have ways ...

60. Just think of how easy it will be to note probable RWer insurectionists from a list of anti-vaxers.