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Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:30 AM

Fauci: Military personnel opting out of vaccine are 'part of the problem'

Source: The Hill


BY CELINE CASTRONUOVO - 03/05/21 08:10 AM EST

Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, on Thursday, told U.S. military members that those of them who decide not to get the coronavirus vaccine are inadvertently “part of the problem” of prolonging the pandemic.

While speaking in a town hall with Blue Star Families, a nonprofit organization dedicated to serving military personnel and their families, Fauci told service members that they are “part of the solution to this outbreak.”

“Because by getting infected, even though you may not know it, you may be inadvertently transmitting the infection to someone else, even though you have no symptoms,” Fauci said during the event, according to CNBC.

“In reality, like it or not, you’re propagating this outbreak,” the White House’s chief medical adviser added. “So instead of being part of the solution, you are innocently and inadvertently being part of the problem by not getting vaccinated.”

Read more: https://thehill.com/policy/defense/541768-fauci-military-personnel-opting-out-of-vaccine-are-part-of-the-problem

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Reply Fauci: Military personnel opting out of vaccine are 'part of the problem' (Original post)
DonViejo Mar 5 OP
underpants Mar 5 #1
Phoenix61 Mar 5 #4
underpants Mar 5 #17
jimfields33 Mar 5 #7
Rebl2 Mar 5 #20
KS Toronado Mar 5 #49
womanofthehills Mar 5 #53
Calista241 Mar 5 #9
underpants Mar 5 #16
Bernardo de La Paz Mar 5 #45
Yeehah Mar 5 #59
jimfields33 Mar 5 #10
hlthe2b Mar 5 #13
underpants Mar 5 #15
mountain grammy Mar 5 #21
hlthe2b Mar 5 #24
mountain grammy Mar 5 #36
hlthe2b Mar 5 #41
mountain grammy Mar 5 #42
hlthe2b Mar 5 #43
RotorHead Mar 7 #66
RotorHead Mar 7 #65
marble falls Mar 7 #73
TwilightZone Mar 7 #74
marble falls Mar 7 #75
DashOneBravo Mar 7 #76
RotorHead Mar 7 #81
DashOneBravo Mar 8 #83
RotorHead Mar 10 #84
DashOneBravo Mar 12 #86
DashOneBravo Mar 13 #88
rickford66 Mar 5 #2
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 5 #11
sarge43 Mar 5 #39
Prof. Toru Tanaka Mar 5 #46
sarge43 Mar 5 #50
TimeToGo Mar 5 #12
womanofthehills Mar 5 #55
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 5 #14
DENVERPOPS Mar 5 #52
womanofthehills Mar 5 #56
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 6 #63
DENVERPOPS Mar 7 #64
womanofthehills Mar 7 #77
DENVERPOPS Mar 7 #80
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 8 #82
oldsoftie Mar 5 #28
womanofthehills Mar 7 #78
Rural_Progressive Mar 5 #31
jimfields33 Mar 5 #3
Botany Mar 5 #5
Calista241 Mar 5 #8
OnlinePoker Mar 5 #40
RobinA Mar 5 #44
Orangepeel Mar 6 #62
Major Nikon Mar 5 #19
jimfields33 Mar 5 #27
oldsoftie Mar 5 #29
jimfields33 Mar 5 #30
Polybius Mar 5 #57
JohnSJ Mar 5 #34
NickB79 Mar 6 #61
Calista241 Mar 5 #6
RAB910 Mar 5 #18
HUAJIAO Mar 5 #23
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JohnSJ Mar 5 #32
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JohnSJ Mar 5 #35
MichMan Mar 5 #37
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Initech Mar 5 #48
barbtries Mar 5 #51
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Hekate Mar 5 #54
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marble falls Mar 6 #60
RotorHead Mar 7 #67
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RotorHead Mar 7 #68
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:33 AM

1. They are government property. Order them.

It’s just like sunburns and snowball fights.

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Response to underpants (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:36 AM

4. I knew about sunburns but not snowball fights.

I was a contractor and my job fell under Med Group Command so I got all the shots the doctors and nurses got. The only way out was quit.

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:57 AM

17. Snowball fights are a no-no

But I was part of a massive snowball fight once of about 200 or so people.

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Response to underpants (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:40 AM

7. I read an article that they can't order vaccines mandatory until FDA approval

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:06 AM

20. That's what

I have read as well. Employer’s can’t demand you get one either for that reason.

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Response to Rebl2 (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 02:22 PM

49. When I served in the Army, we followed orders, no one complained we knew it was for our own good.

Appears today some military leaders (probably reQugs) are afraid of Qpublican public opinion.

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Response to KS Toronado (Reply #49)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:11 PM

53. Some military objected to the anthrax shots - (Doe v Rumsfeld) 2005

- was heard in 2005 in First District Court in DC. Judge Sullivan ruled An EUA (emergency use authorization) vaccine cannot be mandated.

The current coronavirus vaccines are unlicensed experimental vaccines, not yet approved by FDA so legally you cannot force someone to take one.

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Response to underpants (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:42 AM

9. Yeah, that went out when the government invented LSD and other mind altering drugs

and tested them on soldiers without informing them of what was going on, or giving them a choice.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:56 AM

16. Soldiers are still used, with their consent, to test experimental drugs

At least they were when I was in back in the 90’s.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 01:35 PM

45. You don't know the facts. The government did NOT invent LSD. Look it up. . . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #45)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 07:27 PM

59. Yes, but they did test it on people without their consent

The CIA gave several doses to an Army major and later murdered him to keep him quiet.
This is the DU member formerly known as Yeehah.

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Response to underpants (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:49 AM

13. When the vaccines receive standard FDA approval (right now they just have emergency authorization)

they will be able to mandate them within the military--just as they did with the Anthrax vaccine for at-risk troops.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:55 AM

15. Thank you.

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Response to underpants (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:12 AM

21. spent the first ten years of my life in the Marines

can't remember having a choice about vaccines. I remember my dad's arm swollen from innoculations before being sent to Korea. Niether was a choice.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:30 AM

24. You received mandated FDA-approved vaccines recommended by ACIP for adults. See my post upstream

FDA's authorization for COVID-19 vaccines was based on a temporary emergency basis. That will eventually be replaced by a standard approval. At that point, they can and undoubtedly WILL mandate the vaccine for military active duty.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:30 PM

36. Sorry that's an excuse

Not a reason. Should be mandatory in the military. People living and working in close quarters must be vaccinated.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #36)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:53 PM

41. You apparently did not fully read what I posted to you. They CAN legally mandate

FDA-approved vaccines and WILL on this once it moves beyond an emergency authorization. Can they do more until then to promote and encourage voluntary vaccination? yes, and they SHOULD. They especially should be working to counter misinformation which I believe is being circulated among military on social media.

But I do want the military to follow the laws, rules, and regulations that govern them. We all should. That is a key reason why they did not/will not bend to Trump's demands for military assistance in his coup attempt.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #41)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:58 PM

42. I read it and comprehended it..

do you comprehend what living and working in close quarters means?

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #42)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 01:01 PM

43. Decades of working in public health, I can assure you I know exactly what NEEDS to occur.

but we follow the law or work to change them-- and where we can't we work to coordinate with the military on a policy that educates and encourages voluntary compliance until mandatory requirements can be implemented. If you were in the military (and I was on active duty as well some time ago) you should be cognizant of this.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #42)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 04:10 AM

66. "living and working in close quarters"

There are plenty of Civilians "living and working in close quarters" just like PARTS of the military do. And much of the military DOESN'T....

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Response to underpants (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 04:03 AM

65. "They are government property."

Jesus wept.

I suggest you familiarize yourself with a few references.

A. DoD Guidance memo:

https://media.defense.gov/2020/Dec/08/2002548508/-1/-1/0/CORONAVIRUS-DISEASE-2019-VACCINE-GUIDANCE.PDF

(From: https://www.defense.gov/Explore/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Rumor-Control/ )


B. DoDI 6200.02

https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/dodi/620002p.pdf


C. DoDI 6205.02

https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/dodi/620502p.pdf?ver=2019-07-23-085404-617


D. And most especially, fucking Amendment fucking 13 to the fucking CONSTITUTION of the fucking United States.

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/amendments-11-27



And the next time you think ANY person is PROPERTY in ANY Capacity, hold your breath until the feeling passes.

MSgt, 24 years USAF, ret.

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Response to RotorHead (Reply #65)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 12:20 PM

73. A legitimate beef voiced in an unacceptable manner. No need for that tone.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #73)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 01:54 PM

74. I have to agree with the poster.

The assertion that they're government property - in a country built on slavery - is ludicrous and, frankly, beyond the pale.

I think the tone is warranted. At the very least, it's understandable.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #74)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 02:04 PM

75. In other words: A legitimate beef voiced in a nasty way ...

Our prison systems certainly look like a plantation system. How over slavery are we as a nation, really?

When I was in we were told to not get tattooed, because we were govt property. Yes, that was not true legally, but it sure was what was drummed into us in '72.

Understandable or not, the tone was personal and a flaming.

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Response to RotorHead (Reply #65)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 03:24 PM

76. RotorHead

Here’s the Veterans forum: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1179

There are a lot of us on DU.

Please chill with the lectures. You’re coming off as an ass.

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Response to DashOneBravo (Reply #76)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 11:39 PM

81. I had no idea....

...that being virulently anti-slavery, no matter what guise the slavery comes in, or what faction it comes from, was now considered "coming off as an ass".

Tone-policing comes off as patronizing, and defensive of the original assertion that people can be property, as long as they are the right people.

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Response to RotorHead (Reply #81)

Mon Mar 8, 2021, 12:49 PM

83. Good lord

I’m just giving you a heads up since you are new. When you sign up to the board you are kinda under a review in the beginning.

Have a nice day

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Response to DashOneBravo (Reply #83)

Wed Mar 10, 2021, 11:57 PM

84. "Good lord"

Why are you more concerned with tone-policing than with objecting to people being considered property?

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Response to RotorHead (Reply #84)

Fri Mar 12, 2021, 10:33 PM

86. Like some master sergeants

You keep missing the point or ignoring it.

The good news is I know the Air Force has some of the same obtuse master sergeants as the Army.

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Response to RotorHead (Reply #84)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 01:08 AM

88. Also

You don’t want to “measure pee pees” on this board.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:34 AM

2. I couldn't decline an inoculation in the Navy.

Is this something new ?

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Response to rickford66 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:45 AM

11. The same was true in the Air Force.

Since I flew as a crew member on a transport aircraft which flew all over the world, we were always getting shots. I never had a thought of refusing them.

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:39 PM

39. "I never had a thought of refusing them."

"We can't make you do it; we can make you wish you had."

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #39)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 01:51 PM

46. I am glad I was inoculated while in the service

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especially as I did a tour overseas. The cholera shot swelled up my arm some but it was only temporary. I much preferred some temporary discomfort as opposed to getting the real thing.

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Response to Prof. Toru Tanaka (Reply #46)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 02:33 PM

50. Yes indeed.

The 1918 pandemic got 47K US service personnel, sickened and/or killed. Until vaccinations kicked in, the US causality rate from disease was at least 30% of the total. Revolutionary War: 90%

Boot was always a cheap thrill. At least one of the Eager Young Space Cadets would bring in some kind of nasty.

As one DUer put it: It's nuts to butts in the service. We didn't have to do the overseas Grand Tour.

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Response to rickford66 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:47 AM

12. We were not given a choice when I was in

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Response to TimeToGo (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:21 PM

55. (Doe v Rumsfeld) 2005

DC First District Court ruled you could not be forced to be injected an experimental vaccine. The vaccines need to be approved by FDA.

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Response to rickford66 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:50 AM

14. Then there was that time five men stood under a nuclear explosion.

They were all volunteers, so I guess that makes it okay. :sarcasm

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 02:52 PM

52. LLiPS

I think you may be on to something here. If you wonder where all these Trump Voters came from, maybe they were the kids and grandkids of people that were standing unprotected near the Nuclear Testing sites in the 50's. Or even downwind, or in cities nearby??????

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #52)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:43 PM

56. I live 50 miles north of the Trinity Site

1945 Plutonium can still be detected on the ridges of Chupadera Mesa. Cows still grazing on that stuff - but not to worry.

The Chupadera Mesa site was one of six regions of study and sampling (along with the Trinity area, White Sands Missile Range, Bingham area, Far Fallout area, and San Antonio area) to evaluate the presence of residual radioactive contamination. Radioactive decay since the Trinity test has resulted in substantial reductions of fallout levels at the Chupadera Mesa site and has left only longer-lived radioactive materials, including cesium-137, strontium-90, and plutonium-239 (with traces of europium-155).

https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2020/06/f75/ChupaderaFactSheet.pdf


also, every time it rains, plutonium runs down the Rio Grande from Los Alamos- because it was dumped in the 40's near the arroyos of NM - but - not to worry!!

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #52)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 08:28 PM

63. People living downwind from the nuclear test sites had more cancer cases than those who didn't.

These people were dubbed "downwinders" and entitled to compensation for their losses.

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #63)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 12:01 AM

64. I would love to see a map

with the downwind "Plumes" from each of those tests...........

A friend of mine is "entitled" to a big settlement from the Asbestos debacle. When he was in the navy, he scraped old asbestos off all the pipes in all the enclosed compartments on ships. That was over fifty years ago, and he hasn't seen a penny and will die before he ever does.

I wonder if those that were entitled from fallout from the nuclear bomb testing have had the same luck..........

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #64)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 04:12 PM

77. The info about the plumes can be found online

One plume went over the Oscura Mts, across Chupadera Mesa (which I can see from my house & still has plutonium on it's ridges) and over Cedarvale (where my friend lives) - continuing up NE New Mexico. Other plumes went east and west of the Trinity Site. There were so many ranches in the area and none of the people were notified.

While our nation struggles to survive the COVID-19 pandemic, New Mexicans are already engaged in a deadly health crisis that has cost the lives of thousands of our beloved family and community members for the past 75 years. This crisis is the overexposure to radiation from the world’s first nuclear bomb detonation at Trinity Site in south central New Mexico on July 16, 1945. In the process it made many New Mexicans the first “Downwinder” communities exposed to radiation from nuclear weapons. The Trinity test in New Mexico was followed by the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki three weeks later and we are all memorializing our dead on this 75th anniversary of the nuclear age. And just as the country is waiting for a pandemic recovery plan, New Mexicans are still waiting to be included in the Radiation Exposure Compensation Act (RECA) found in U.S. House Bill 3783.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/opinion/511522-coronavirus-strikes-new-mexico-on-the-75th-anniversary-of-the?fbclid=IwAR1Mh0OQ_2IVN5k0zxVAfH3QrZNsN3JDpLpxDm-Gj55VQxnxAzMoVbHwI5U

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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #77)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 06:48 PM

80. I am sad and sorry for everyone down there.

We have a situation here in Colorado. They manufactured all the Plutonium triggers at Rocky Flats, between Boulder and Denver.
It seems they had a "little" fire up there a few decades ago in the processing building for the Plutonium. During that fire, they released 14 pounds of powdered Plutonium into the smoke/winds over the front range............The full story has never reached the people because Gale Norton, the person put in charge of the EPA during the HWBush administration covered the investigation all up and buried it.

We still have a situation on the grounds of the Rocky Mountain Arsenal that was used for decades to dump super bad shit from really horrific chemical weapons they built there and then they just dumped into large pools all over the ground. It is the area immediately north of the Old Stapleton Airport.

And then, there are like 70,000. wet eye mustard gas bombs still sitting and rusting in a depot in Pueblo Co. They are starting to leak, and the military has no idea how to destroy them safely.............

There are un-fathomable nasty things going on at the Hanford? Nuclear Weapons site on the banks of the Columbia River in Oregon.
Things that would make Fukashima look like nothing.........

WASF

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #64)

Mon Mar 8, 2021, 04:18 AM

82. My law firm handled a group of asbestos cases from the Charleston naval shipyard.

Needless to say, the insurance companies were reluctant to pay a penny. Rather than take the cases to trial -- a process that hadn't produced any results for other firms -- we decided to combine the cases together and our senior attorney negotiated one large settlement to cover all the defendants. This being South Carolina, the settlement was probably half of what we would have gotten in Southern California, but we knew that by the time we did a series of trials most of our clients would be dead.

Based on the seriousness of a client's symptoms, our paralegal was able to divide the settlement equitably among the clients. I thought it was a win for all concerned, and everyone seemed pleased with results.

All that one client -- who was in the latter stages of his disease -- wanted from his settlement was to buy a red pickup truck. Since he was bedridden, the truck was parked out of his bedroom window so he could look it all he wanted.

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Response to rickford66 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:49 AM

28. I couldnt decline in the NG either. Since when did the military start giving a CHOICE?

And if it HAS, then we're in big trouble. Because it will expand to other things. And the military is NOT like every other government agency.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #28)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 04:15 PM

78. 2005 - Doe vs Rumsfeld

It happened because so many were getting ill from the anthrax vaccination.

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Response to rickford66 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:21 PM

31. I was a Hospital Corpsman in the Coast Guard

and back in the 70s nobody had any choice about getting vaccinations emergency approved or otherwise.

I don't recall having much choice about anything, the UCMJ was pretty clear about that , major reason staying in wasn't a life choice I could accept.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:38 AM

5. In WW II when you went into basic training you got "your shots." End of story




Same with people who were drafted and sent to Vietnam.




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Response to Botany (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:40 AM

8. Maybe if the government didn't invent drugs like LSD and test them on soldiers

they'd be more inclined to get vaccinated.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:48 PM

40. The "government" didn't invent LSD

Albert Hoffman did in 1938 in Basel, Switzerland while working for Sandoz lab. The government did, however, experiment with it using uninformed recipients. These types of medical experiments are why people of color have been shying away from the vaccine. Too much historical experimenting done on them with very bad results.

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Response to OnlinePoker (Reply #40)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 01:26 PM

44. What Historical Experimenting

other than the syphilis non-treatment? Just curious, as that's the only one I ever heard of.

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Response to Botany (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:05 AM

19. It was that way in the 80's as well

I can remember we had issues with people dragging their feet about getting the flu shot every year so they marched our entire squadron, officers and enlisted, over to the hospital and we all got our shots. It was kind of comical because you just never march anywhere in the USAF after initial training, so we looked pretty grabastic.

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Response to Botany (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:47 AM

27. Leaders could also hit you and curse you out

Can’t do that anymore. Times change. Millennials and Generation Y don’t put up with crap previous generations did.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:57 AM

29. Yeah, hitting you is the same as requiring a shot.

And they still cuss you out. Ask anyone who's been thru BMT.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #29)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:02 PM

30. It means they aren't necessarily yes types

When the shot gets approval, they will have to get the shot or they will be given walking papers. Just as they did with anthrax which I got the entire series.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 04:02 PM

57. My Marine friend laughed at that when I just asked him

He says they still curse you out and belittle you (they called guys the "P" word), at least when he was in (4 years ago). But no one gets hit now, that's true.

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Response to Botany (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:27 PM

34. Yes. If you were in the armed forces, you didn't have a choice

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Response to Botany (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 09:32 AM

61. Is it just me, or is that soldier REALLY excited to serve his country?

🤣🤣🤣

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 10:39 AM

6. I think maybe the 75 year history of our government performing medical experiments on soldiers,

often without their knowledge, is part of the problem.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:00 AM

18. I don't know how the vaccine is optional for the military

readiness is important and you can't have readiness if you are not vaccinated

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Response to RAB910 (Reply #18)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:22 AM

23. The vaccines are not FDA approved yet so military cannot force them to get the shots.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:18 AM

22. Maybe not so " innocently" being part of the problem...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:31 AM

25. Which Part of The Vaccines are NOT....

FDA Approved so they cannot be forced on anyone folks fail to understand? That includes the U.S. Military Personnel.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 11:36 AM

26. Some



People are just fucking stupid. Fortunately in the military as soon as they get FDA approval for these vaccines then the military can issue a legal order that everybody has to go and get those shots or else bad things happen to them. When I was in the USAF, as others have said, if you were ordered to get a shot you either did it or else you’d probably wind up in jail is my guess.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:24 PM

32. So is the Mayor of Detroit who is refusing JNJ vaccines for his city, only Moderna and Pfizer

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:26 PM

33. Are these the same military members wearing the QAnon

And Oath Keeper T-shirts under their uniforms?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:29 PM

35. I wonder how many of them are QANON types?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:31 PM

37. It should be mandatory for every state, local, and federal employee

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 12:37 PM

38. There's no reason for anyone to opt out of the vaccine

Short of being allergic to it or something.

They're just prolonging the pandemic.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 02:02 PM

47. Covid Vaccines are NOT FDA Approved.

They are only “authorized for emergency use”.

After the multiple unapproved vaccines and drugs given to solders in the Gulf War, some of which MAY (its unproven because it’s not been studied) have been a factor in “Gulf War Syndrome”, many soldiers today are hesitant to allow unapproved medical injections into their bodies.

Regardless of the real need (I fully support these vaccinations), soldiers should have the right right now to ask to delay.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 02:11 PM

48. Seriously, this should not be optional. Make it mandatory.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 02:42 PM

51. that's interesting

when my son was in the Navy he had no choice and was given all kinds of shots. If they can mandate all those shots they should mandate a covid vaccine. of all vaccines! jeez

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Response to barbtries (Reply #51)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 09:22 AM

70. They won't mandate it because it's under EUA

In a few years after the long term trials are complete and full FDA approval is granted it will probably become mandatory just like the annual flu shot is now.

The whole mess with the anthrax vaccine years ago established this precedent in the federal courts. Plus they may be taking a more guarded approach because of the disability compensation claims the VA is dealing with now from long term side effects related to the unapproved vaccine back at the time.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 03:21 PM

54. Dr Fauci has such a gentle way of transmitting brutal facts....

...And he is always factual. Love that guy.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Mar 5, 2021, 07:08 PM

58. Maybe the military can't force members to get a vaccine, but they have ways ...

... hey, Private Antivax, we have a great assignment for you in Thule, Greenland.

... hey, Private Antivax, we're thinking of a promotion for you, there's just one little problem ...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Mar 6, 2021, 01:51 AM

60. Just think of how easy it will be to note probable RWer insurectionists from a list of anti-vaxers.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 04:16 AM

67. Weird.

I can't imagine why service-members would be at all hesitant to accept ANY medication or immunization offered or mandated to them.

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/informed-consent-military-anthrax-vaccination-case/2007-10

Nope, can't think of a single god damn reason at all.

/off sarc

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Response to RotorHead (Reply #67)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 10:46 AM

72. Equating the Covid vaccine with the Anthrax vaccine? Interesting.

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Response to mn9driver (Reply #72)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 04:24 PM

79. The Anthrax vaccine is the reason for "Doe vs Rumsfeld"

So there is a connection as to why the Covid vaccine can't be given to the military until approved by FDA.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 04:21 AM

68. It's utterly stunning....

...how quickly DU'ers forget that military personnel are NOT thoughtless robots, fit only for obeying orders blindly, and use as political footballs.

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Response to RotorHead (Reply #68)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 09:21 AM

69. During my 10 years of active duty, I don't recall ever being "asked" whether I wanted a vaccine.

What branch did you serve in that allows you to choose?

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Response to mn9driver (Reply #69)

Sun Mar 7, 2021, 09:27 AM

71. There are federal court rulings addressing this very thing

Only FDA approved vaccines can be mandated service wide. The are some narrow exemptions for specific threats from biological warfare but the general consensus is that Emergency Use Authorization vaccines can not be mandated.

All this was hashed out with the court challenges to the unapproved anthrax vaccine back around 2003-2005.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Mar 11, 2021, 04:13 PM

85. Dr. Fauci is corrct. yes. he. is.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Mar 12, 2021, 10:56 PM

87. Plenty of rotten apples in our military

 

Some believe in Qanon and such crap.

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