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Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:40 PM

Supreme Court Seems Ready to Sustain Arizona Voting Limits

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Source: MSN

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court seemed poised on Tuesday to uphold two Arizona voting restrictions, one requiring election officials to discard ballots cast at the wrong precinct and the other making it a crime for campaign workers, community activists and most other people to collect ballots for delivery to polling places, a practice critics call “ballot harvesting.”

Several members of the court’s conservative majority said the restrictions were sensible, commonplace and at least partly endorsed by a bipartisan consensus reflected in a 2005 report signed by former President Jimmy Carter and James A. Baker III, who served as secretary of state under President George Bush.

The Biden administration, too, told the justices in an unusual letter two weeks ago that the Arizona measures appeared to be lawful.

The court heard the case as disputes over voting rights have again become a flash point in American politics, with Democrats arguing that Republicans are increasingly trying to suppress the vote, thwart the will of the majority and deny equal access to minority voters and others who have been underrepresented at the polls.

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I am not sure why this case is being framed as limitation on voting rights. A law against ballot harvesting is what helped catch a Republican effort to rig an election in North Carolina back in 2018. Also, requiring people to cast their ballots in the correct precinct is pretty common.

https://www.gq.com/story/north-carolina-ninth-district-fraud

How Republicans Tried to Rig an Election in North Carolina (And Almost Got Away With It)

Although the 2018 midterms took place ten months ago, one district in the country has gone without an elected congressperson since the new Congress convened in January. On Tuesday, voters of North Carolina’s ninth district will head back to the polls to elect a representative after months of unraveling electoral chicanery.

The district, which extends southeast from the Charlotte suburbs along the state’s border with South Carolina, held an election last November, just like everyone else. It was a close one: Republican Mark Harris, a far-right candidate who defeated Republican incumbent Robert Pittenger in a primary challenge in the spring, defeated Democrat Dan McCready, a then 35-year-old U.S. Marines veteran, by 905 votes out of more than 282,000 cast.

In the weeks that followed, though, state officials uncovered a number of peculiar patterns among mail-in ballots: In all but one of the district’s counties, McCready won handily among these absentee voters, by 16 points. But in Bladen County, he lost by a whopping 24 points. Journalists discovered that the same names appeared on many of these absentee ballots as “witnesses,” and listed the same one-bedroom apartment as their address.

In other words, either a small group of benevolent democracy enthusiasts rented a place together and then traveled all over Bladen County to help strangers vote—or someone, somewhere was cheating. In late November, the North Carolina State Board of Elections voted to delay certification of the result until it could figure out what, exactly, had gone awry here.

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True Blue American Mar 2 #2
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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:42 PM

1. The precinct thing may be moot already

The past two or three elections (after the lawsuit was filed) that I've voted in did not have precinct voting. They had "vote centers" where anyone could vote or drop-off.

That said, with the AZ legislature pursuing the legislation they are, the vote centers and drop-off points may be going away.

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:28 PM

4. Voting centers are wonderful!

the election workers can produce any ballot for any precinct. It is all electronically generated via the voter's Texas Voter Registration number. We scan it to produce an access code for the voting machine. Voter keys in the access code and the correct ballot displays. Voter taps screen to make choices, and once the voter is satisfied selections are correct then the ballot can be printed. The printed ballot is scanned.

We have 300 precincts here, all of which are voting centers and you can go to any of them. I believe Texas has 45% of its counties on this system now.

We can't drop off someone else's ballot at the Elections Office because if you drop it off in person you must show ID. If the ballot is mailed there is no restriction because it is not in person.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:46 PM

2. As a former poll worker

I agree with both. Here, if people go to the wrong precinct they are guided to the right one.

But people picking up ballots led to those same people filling them in for others under the guise of helping.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:33 PM

5. prior to our voting centers, we could send the voter to the correct voting location - however

if it was 5 til 7 and the correct location was across town they could never get there.
The voter would have to vote a provisional ballot. The scanner would only pick up the correct elections for that precinct but those would still count. Most people would not vote for what they did not recognize anyway so it wasn't that much of an issue.

With this system it just does not matter.

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Response to yellowdogintexas (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 07:16 PM

6. Yes, Provisional ballots were provided

For those who could not get to the other polls. They had a choice. If it was close they simply went there.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:48 PM

3. I'm with the OP on this

They did that in NC. It was big news.

I think all voters and all parties will be better off if the rules of the game are set so they can all adjust. Doesn't matter if the Court does it, though that is slow and tedious, or if Congress passes new laws. Gerrymandering and suppression are our two main problems. We need to focus on measures that affect the broad landscape of eligibility and voting, and not on narrow things like harvesting and validation/counting. Very few races decided by the latter, and unlikely to decide a major race. It's possible, but go where the percentages can help you the most.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 07:18 PM

7. Ohio will have

An unbiased committee to redistrict. We voted on it.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 01:41 AM

8. Roberts is 100% behind scheme to disenfranchise minority voters from voting/having their votes count

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 10:42 AM

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