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Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:30 PM

Sen. Joe Manchin on ending the filibuster: 'Jesus Christ, what don't you understand about 'never'?'

Source: Business Insider

In a democracy, 50% plus one equals a governing majority. But in the US Senate, it takes 60 votes ó or arcane maneuvers like budget "reconciliation" ó to get much of anything done thanks to the filibuster, a Senate rule allowing a senator or senators from the minority party to hold up a bill, which has ossified into a permanent obstacle.

And that, Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia said Monday, will "never" change so long as he's around.

Manchin, the senator from West Virginia, is one of two Democrats standing in the way of that (the other is Sen. Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona). And he seems unlikely to change his mind.

"Never!" he shouted at a journalist who asked whether setbacks to the Democratic agenda might lead him to reconsider, per a pool report filed Monday night by Bloomberg News' Erik Wasson. "Jesus Christ, what don't you understand about 'never'?"



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Reply Sen. Joe Manchin on ending the filibuster: 'Jesus Christ, what don't you understand about 'never'?' (Original post)
Polybius Mar 2 OP
Miguelito Loveless Mar 2 #1
Irish_Dem Mar 2 #2
TwilightZone Mar 2 #6
Irish_Dem Mar 2 #7
lagomorph777 Mar 2 #10
Irish_Dem Mar 2 #12
TwilightZone Mar 2 #16
Elessar Zappa Mar 2 #18
lagomorph777 Mar 2 #20
Irish_Dem Mar 2 #26
lagomorph777 Mar 2 #28
Irish_Dem Mar 2 #31
PatSeg Mar 2 #45
movingviolation Mar 2 #53
PatSeg Mar 2 #73
Irish_Dem Mar 2 #64
Irish_Dem Mar 2 #24
DownriverDem Mar 2 #50
Cheezoholic Mar 2 #58
Irish_Dem Mar 2 #65
quakerboy Mar 2 #78
BradAllison Mar 3 #86
chowder66 Mar 2 #59
TwilightZone Mar 2 #11
Irish_Dem Mar 2 #13
lagomorph777 Mar 2 #14
qazplm135 Mar 2 #17
Tommymac Mar 2 #40
smb Mar 3 #83
BradAllison Mar 3 #85
bedazzled Mar 2 #21
Irish_Dem Mar 2 #36
bedazzled Mar 2 #56
Irish_Dem Mar 2 #61
Trueblue1968 Mar 2 #34
Irish_Dem Mar 2 #37
TheRickles Mar 2 #54
Irish_Dem Mar 2 #63
quakerboy Mar 2 #79
TomSlick Mar 2 #75
Claire Oh Nette Mar 2 #3
Irish_Dem Mar 2 #38
Tommymac Mar 2 #42
Irish_Dem Mar 2 #62
Fullduplexxx Mar 2 #4
BradAllison Mar 2 #5
magicarpet Mar 2 #8
FoxNewsSucks Mar 2 #15
magicarpet Mar 2 #19
magicarpet Mar 2 #35
lagomorph777 Mar 2 #9
bedazzled Mar 2 #22
lagomorph777 Mar 2 #23
bedazzled Mar 2 #25
lagomorph777 Mar 2 #27
bedazzled Mar 2 #30
Lonestarblue Mar 2 #29
old guy Mar 2 #32
moose65 Mar 2 #33
MarcA Mar 2 #39
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2 #48
moose65 Mar 2 #76
Fiendish Thingy Mar 2 #81
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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:33 PM

1. I don't know

maybe your inconsistency with various other criteria you have had in the past. One minute you're fine with people saying nasty things on Twitter, then next you're not.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:38 PM

2. I wonder why he is losing his temper and swearing at reporters?

Seems like he is getting nervy.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:52 PM

6. Or just annoyed with being asked the same question 1,000 times.

Part of the job, of course, but many do seem to have trouble understanding what "never" means.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:53 PM

7. I think it is more than being annoyed. He could just ignore the reporters.

He is losing it. And I wonder why.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:57 PM

10. Because he is getting pressure from every direction to act like a Democrat.

It's making him uncomfortable.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:00 PM

12. Yes that is my read. And also why he is ridiculously doubling down on the unemployment benefits.

He is showing people he is the boss, will not budge, and in fact will get worse.

I think there is another aspect to it, but it is only speculation, so will not post it.
But I will say there is other kinds of pressure on him.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:06 PM

16. He is acting like a Democrat.

The kind that his constituents clearly want. They continue to reelect him because he's the closest thing today's politics has to a true independent. We may not like it, but it's obviously what his voters want.

It's also the only way a Democrat holds on to a seat in a state Trump won by 40%. He was never going to rubber-stamp everything just because we think he should. Again, we may not like it, but he doesn't answer to us. He answers to WV.

The alternative is someone who never votes with us. There's a lot of legislation that can be passed 51/50. With an R in that seat, none of it happens.

I find it rather amusing that we think he should ignore his constituents when he does something we don't agree with, but insist that he do their bidding when it's something we want, like $15/hr.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #16)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:10 PM

18. But there was a poll released a day or two ago

that showed that West Virginians want a $15/hr minimum wage by a large majority. So his opposition isnít rooted in representing West Virginia.

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Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #18)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:17 PM

20. +1 I can't believe that West Virginians would reject help when they are hurting. He's not

representing them, according to that poll.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #20)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:31 PM

26. Leaders are supposed to lead. He needs to explain to his voters why increased benefits are good for

them.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #26)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:32 PM

28. How hard could that be? "Here's some money so you can feed your kids."

Would they hate that? WTF?

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #28)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:35 PM

31. Exactly. He would be a saint to the people of his state.

Would not be hard at all for him to make ads for his voters telling them about money and benefits.

That is why it is all a bit of a mystery. The answer is simple and he won't do it.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #28)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:02 PM

45. Exactly

So clearly he is representing someone other than his constituents. Corporate donors I'd think.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #45)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:30 PM

53. winner winner chicken dinner

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Response to movingviolation (Reply #53)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:41 PM

73. Ha, ha, ha!!!

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Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #18)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 06:52 PM

64. Exactly. So he is losing it because he is being torn apart. Pressure from voters and who else?

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #16)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:29 PM

24. His constituents don't want $15 an hour or increased unemployment payments?

If they don't it is his job to educate them.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #16)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:23 PM

50. Yep

This is one of the reasons that folks shouldn't just attack the Democratic Party when the process is holding them back.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #16)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:54 PM

58. I bet if could get some K street sniffing K9's outside both his and Sinema's door's

they'd pick up the trail right to the offices of the energy and banking/insurance lobbies.

But I do agree, the Democrat's are just going to have to deal with them in the short term. Even though Biden carried AZ, like Manchin, Sinema's seat is pretty volatile to say the least. Honestly, the Democrats should feel lucky to have those 2 seats in the current political climate.

Do I like what they're doing? No. Do I get why they're doing it? Yes to a point. I don't like, at least what I perceive, some of the behind the door corporate boot licking but hey, it's congress. They are both getting needed free airplay possibly resulting in some points with some moderate republicans and Independents in their states by "showing" they are willing to stand up against the "socialist left". Maybe a little compassionate conservatism "look something shiny" trick, only on the other side this time.

Except for the filibuster, they aren't flat out going to prevent these media-notable bills from passing. I think down the road some deals could be cut with both of them on the filibuster.

The 15/hr minimum wage? Smoke and mirrors there IMO. Don't think it ever had a chance hanging off the Covid bills hip, and I think a lot of Democrats purposely felt the same way. Plus, I think by trying to get that pushed through by itself has a chance to do more damage to the other side by forcing their hand on something the majority of voters and even a few republicans already agree with, and thereby maybe forcing Manchins hand also.

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Response to Cheezoholic (Reply #58)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 06:53 PM

65. Yes a good explanation. He is being torn apart by opposing forces.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #16)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:43 PM

78. Except for being wrong, right on

Polling shows 63% of his state supports $15. Its not his voters that dont agree with it. Its the people who pay him who disagree with it. In the long run, though, either way he chooses, its not likely to be what the voters of his state make their decisions based on, so why not go along with the party?

Also.. re "only way a dem" holds on.. Susan Collins shows us thats not true. She consistently rubber stamped everything Trump brought to the table, and held on handily in a state Biden took.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 11:47 AM

86. Poll numbers say otherwise

He's just being Mitch McConnell. Appealing to the small minority in his state who have a pot to piss in and don't want anyone else getting one.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 06:01 PM

59. +1

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:58 PM

11. Nah.

He's been very clear on the subject. We (and the media) just don't want to accept it.

I often wonder why Sinema isn't getting the same scrutiny. She clearly has less justification - he's in a state Trump won by 40% and is seen by his constituents as an independent. She's in a state Biden won. Her position is more extreme than his - she wants 60 votes for nearly everything.

Yet, she seems to get a pass. At the very least, she certainly doesn't get the vitriol he does. Interesting.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:01 PM

13. Right, a bit of mystery. Which means that are some missing pieces we don't know about yet.

Things are not making sense right now.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:01 PM

14. Fair point. It appears she isn't speaking up and opposing every key provision of the COVID bill,

but that could be a misperception, based on biased reporting.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:08 PM

17. probably because

she's being a lot quieter about it. We know she opposes using reconciliation and a 15 dollar minimum wage but other than that basic knowledge, she's not opposing anything else or talking about it much. Manchin is being a lot more vocal about those two and other things.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 04:57 PM

40. She can be primaried with an opponent who could realistically win the General.

He is the ONLY Democrat who could win a General in WVA. And he knows it.

IMO that is the difference between the relative silence of one and the outspokenness of the other.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 07:35 AM

83. Simple: He's Flapping His Pie Hole A LOT More Than She Is nt

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 11:44 AM

85. But she has purple hair!!!

A rebel!

She's another weakling. Mark Kelly has none of these issues with being a Democrat.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:25 PM

21. really! who swears like that?

i am not a Christian but it is obnoxious to talk like that. especially to your audience of evangelicals. well other demonic behavior never seemed to bother them i guess

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Response to bedazzled (Reply #21)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 04:08 PM

36. He seems quite nervy and stressed. Wonder why?

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #36)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:41 PM

56. yeah, being he is in total control of the universe

it's too bad these people can't imagine finding other employment. they might develop a conscience

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Response to bedazzled (Reply #56)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 06:45 PM

61. Right, he should be relishing his role. But he is not.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 04:00 PM

34. Taking The Lord's name in Vain ??? bad boy.

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Response to Trueblue1968 (Reply #34)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 04:09 PM

37. Shows he is rattled. Something is not right.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #37)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:33 PM

54. I suspect that the new info about Neera Tanden and his daughter has something to do with it.

It now looks like he's opposing Tanden's nomination because she called out his daughter quite publicly for being the CEO of the pharmaceutical company that price-gouged on EpiPens a few years ago. Not a good look for a US Senator (at least a Dem one), and probably causing more than the usual amount of stress and anxiety for him.

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Response to TheRickles (Reply #54)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 06:49 PM

63. Yes that is one good explanation. Something is hitting very close to home for him.

I suspect however the issue around his daughter is somewhat complex involving funding sources as well.

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Response to TheRickles (Reply #54)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:44 PM

79. Except thats being withdrawn

So that pressure is off.

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Response to Trueblue1968 (Reply #34)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:14 PM

75. Blasphemy will not be well received back home.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:38 PM

3. His constituents sure as hell want $15

and they don't care about things like Filibuster or Cloture or anything but results.

West Virginians (I have family there) need help. Coal is not the future. WV has the highest per capita Opioid overdose deaths. WV has one of the lowest educational attainment %.

He needs to bring home the bacon for his people. Being the bolder in the road is not going to help any of his constituents.

When our leaders have to live on the average income of the people they represent, maybe then they'll vote for us to provide ourselves with relief from our tax dollars.

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Response to Claire Oh Nette (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 04:09 PM

38. Exactly. So why isn't he giving his voters what they want?

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #38)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 04:59 PM

42. Perhaps his Big $$ contributors are the reason?

Used to be able to find out who they are easily, but in these days of Citizen's United the dark money is harder to trace.

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Response to Tommymac (Reply #42)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 06:46 PM

62. Yes this is one explanation for sure.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:49 PM

4. There's your billboard

Joe on 15 an hour .. "Jesus Christ, what don't you understand about 'never'?"

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:51 PM

5. He took the lord's name in vain

That could get you executed in West Fuckmysister.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:56 PM

8. Yes Joe we know a bout NEVER,...


Like NEVER getting any legislation passed in the Senate because Moscow Mitch is allowed to use and abuse the filibuster to block any bills that come his way. And rather than a 51 vote margin it requires a 60 vote margin to get anything passed.

Joe if you would vote to give up the filibuster in the Senate then the Dems could make some serious progress getting legislation passed.

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Response to magicarpet (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:05 PM

15. And then,

the public would see that Democrats get things done which helps them, instead of being told Democrats got nothin' done.

One might almost think some Democrats don't want the public to support Democrats.

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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:16 PM

19. Manchin has the same bullshit going with the Supreme Court.

Joe categorically refuses to consider enlarging the court up to 11, or 13, or 15 justices so more lib judges can be added to the court by Biden.

Knowing Joe, he would vote down statehood for Washington DC & Puerto Rico, so then he can deny Biden a total of 4 new Dem Senators.

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Response to magicarpet (Reply #19)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 04:02 PM

35. Sen. Martin Heinrich to introduce plan to grant Puerto Rico statehood.

Sen. Martin Heinrich to introduce plan to grant Puerto Rico statehood.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142705178

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 02:56 PM

9. Hey, Joe! Once we get a couple more Senators, we won't need you.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:26 PM

22. there always seems to be a lieberman around

amazing. every time.

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Response to bedazzled (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:27 PM

23. Shitting in the punch bowl.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #23)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:30 PM

25. enjoying the power trip

while people suffer

shudder

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Response to bedazzled (Reply #25)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:31 PM

27. How very ...

... I will self-censor my next words.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #27)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:34 PM

30. things are improving

they will end up in the dustbin soon enough! i volunteer to take out the garbage! and i never volunteer for ANYTHING!

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:33 PM

29. So basically he's fine with helping Republicans prevent the passage of Biden's agenda items,

and making him look like a failed president for the 2022 elections where Republicans will use the failure to pass legislation and get anything done as a black mark against all Democrats. The lack of real progress could cost Democrats both the House and the Senate in 2022, possibly ensuring that all three go to a dangerous Republican in 2024.

Manchin is already 73 years old, and he was re-elected in 2018. By the time the 2024 election rolls around, he will be 77 years old, and certainly old enough to retire. Itís time for Manchin to put the good of the country ahead of his re-election. Besides, his voters seem to favor the things he does not.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #29)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:52 PM

32. Right you are.

The Dems must pass their agenda or they will see defeat in 2022 in both House and Senate. This is the last chance to save the country. Period.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #29)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 03:55 PM

33. That's the part I can't figure out

Even if Manchin were worried about re-election, he won't be up again till 2024. Anything that happens right now will be ancient history by then. No one will even remember what Joe Manchin did in March 2021.

When Harry Reid nuked the legislative filibuster for non-Supreme Court justices, the Republicans said that he would lose his next election. But he didn't. Most of the citizens of this country don't know what a filibuster is and don't give a shit either. The filibuster is like an alien concept to most of us because it doesn't exist in real life.

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Response to moose65 (Reply #33)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 04:34 PM

39. +1000 n/t

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Response to moose65 (Reply #33)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:21 PM

48. You are wrong- his constituents are mobilizing to keep the pressure on Manchin

And they plan to end his career if he continues to obstruct.

The Poor Peopleís Campaign just met with him last week re: minimum wage, and Move On is raising funds to keep up the pressure- billboards, media ads, etc.

Voters wonít forget Manchinís betrayal.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #48)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:26 PM

76. And in three years?

No one will even remember this.

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Response to moose65 (Reply #76)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:59 PM

81. GOP gerrymandering will flip the house, and republicans have promised to impeach Biden

But you are certain no one will remember Manchinís refusal to kill the filibuster so that the voting rights bill could pass to block the gerrymandering?

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #81)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 03:07 PM

88. I doubt it

Memories are very short in politics.

Also, that's a long time from now. How do YOU know that the House will flip? You're so sure of that?

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Response to moose65 (Reply #88)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 03:47 PM

89. Educate yourself: if the filibuster survives, Dems WILL lose the house and likely the senate

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-redistricting-idUSKBN2AI1CX

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/15/gerrymandering-republicans-map-charts-states

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/02/democrats-need-hr-1-and-new-vra-protect-party/617987/

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/republicans-2020-gains-in-the-house-set-them-up-well-for-2022/

The system is being rigged as we speak; due to Trumpís bungling of the census, delays have bought Dems a little time, but they have 10 months max to pass new voting rights laws before district lines are redrawn. In the meantime, new voter suppression laws are being passed in places like GA, which will cost Warnock his seat in 2022...unless the filibuster dies so HR1 can pass.

There are numerous resources online that will explain in more detail how at least 6 seats will be redrawn to flip from Dem majority of voters to Republican majority of voters. Dems only have a 5 seat margin. Republicans are targeting a total of 24 Dem house seats.

Iím happy to be proven wrong, but Iím not the only one who sees it this way- for example, former Obama advisor Dan Pfeiffer feels that, if the filibuster survives and HR1 isnít passed, Dems will lose control of both houses and the WH for a decade or longer...

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #89)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 10:42 PM

90. Please don't tell me to "educate myself"

That sounds too much like conspiracy theorists who always say, ďDo your own research.Ē

Look, I know what Republicans are capable of. I know all of their dirty tricks that we have to push back against. But to say that Democrats will definitely lose the House plays right into Republican hands.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #48)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 08:05 AM

84. That's good to know that his constituents are moving to squeeze him out

He needs to get his act together.

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Response to moose65 (Reply #33)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 06:55 PM

67. Exactly. We know it is not about his re-election chances. It has to be something else.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 04:59 PM

41. Jesus Christ, Manchin!

Do you understand ANYTHING about being a Democratic lawmaker? I think not.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:00 PM

43. Why "Never"? Why?

Why doesn't he want to get rid of the filibuster? Has anyone asked him that?

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:02 PM

44. Lets hope he becomes irrelevant....

One day maybe we get enough Senators where he will be totally irrelevant.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:03 PM

46. How much is Joe being paid to be like this?

I might be wrong but I think he is dirty.

W.V.'s politics is very dirty and the coal, energy, and chemical companies own the state.

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Response to Botany (Reply #46)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:28 PM

51. When the logic doesn't work, there must be corruption, or money,

or something else suspicious.

If people in WV want $15 per hour minimum wage, perhaps they're giving him a fit. He must have something going on to dance with Republicans and against the people he represents.

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Response to Trust_Reality (Reply #51)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:34 PM

55. President Biden just helped out W.V. with 260 million $s

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Response to Botany (Reply #46)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 06:56 PM

68. Yes, one explanation. But dirty how?

And it is not about re-election.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #68)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 07:34 PM

71. "But dirty how?"

$$$$$$$$

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Response to Botany (Reply #71)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 07:35 PM

72. Taking money from donors is not dirty. ???

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:18 PM

47. Jesus Christ, Joe, what about "your career will end in 2024 if you obstruct" don't you understand?

Manchin only won by 3%/19,000 votes in 2018. Heís sure to piss off at least that many WV voters if he continues to obstruct.

Progressive groups (Move On, Poor Peopleís Campaign) are already mobilizing His WV constituents to keep the pressure up, and if he continues to obstruct, end his career.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #47)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 06:12 PM

60. I think he will likely be replaced by a Con in 2024

This is the DU member formerly known as dustyscamp.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #47)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 12:46 AM

82. He might not run again for senator. He indicated in the recent past that he enjoyed being governor

of West Virginia more than being a senator because he was in charge and could make the decisions without answering to anybody. Maybe when Jim Justice leaves he will want to run again for Governor.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:22 PM

49. Shut up, ya damn DINO.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:30 PM

52. I never mention the Lord without also invoking hockey sticks or Jesus's profane middle name

For I am an model principled man

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:48 PM

57. I'm against ending it

because properly used, it is a great tool for a minority party to prevent outrages by the majority party.

Republicans under McConnell have abused this for over a decade.

Now I'm not going to throw out a hammer because some kid used it to punch holes in the sheetrock. I'm just going to keep it locked away in my toolbox where the kid can't get it.

I think a six year suspension, to be reviewed in 2027, would be the best policy. Get those old boys used to having to do politics the old fashioned way, by consensus.

Bring it back in the future when the destructive children have grown up or died off or are out of office.

Even Manchin might go for that.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #57)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 06:54 PM

66. Pass Progressive Issues that the majority of Americans support

And the Democrats wonít have to worry about being in the minority. But, the current Senate rules inhibit that from happening. Dump the filibuster!

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Response to SamsDrink (Reply #66)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:56 PM

80. Suspending it for a set number of years would do the same thing

and would be more palatable to guys like Manchin, who really is gumming up the works right now.

Revisiting it once the set period is up might lead to eliminating it, extending the suspension, or bringing it back. It served a useful function until the religious crazies who think compromise will send them to hell started to abuse it.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 07:18 PM

69. I saw an explanation that its power tripping but also to shake down the Party to

see what trade off's he can garner.

Altogether a sickening sot of a person.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 07:24 PM

70. 'As long as he's around'

Keep on runnin' your mouth like that and you won't be around much longer.

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 08:47 PM

74. WTF is wrong w him? And Sinema?!?!?!?!!

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:35 PM

77. Its whats covering his rear

He can blame doing nothing except his owners bidding on the fillibuster, and take home as much corrupt money as he can lay his hands on. Why would he want to give that up?

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Response to Polybius (Original post)

Wed Mar 3, 2021, 11:54 AM

87. Manchin; the new McConnell. nt

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