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demmiblue

(36,841 posts)
Sun Feb 28, 2021, 08:57 PM Feb 2021

CPAC: Hyatt Hotels says stage design resembling Nazi rune is 'abhorrent'

Source: The Guardian

The Hyatt Hotels Corporation called symbols of hate “abhorrent” on Sunday after the design of a stage at the right-wing Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) at one of its hotels drew comparisons to a Norse rune used by Nazis during the second world war

High-profile Republicans including former president Donald Trump were attending the four-day event in Orlando, Florida, as conflict raged between Trump allies and establishment politicians trying to distance the party from him.

A photo of the CPAC stage went viral on social media on Saturday, with thousands of Twitter users sharing posts comparing its distinctive design to an othala rune, also known as an odal rune, one of many ancient European symbols that Nazis adopted to “reconstruct a mythic ‘Aryan’ past”, according to the Anti-Defamation League.

The ceiling of the conference room featured a lighting display in the same shape as the stage, according to Reuters photographs.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/01/cpac-2021-stage-design-nazi-sign-odal-othala-rune-hyatt-hotels-hate-symbol-abhorrent

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CPAC: Hyatt Hotels says stage design resembling Nazi rune is 'abhorrent' (Original Post) demmiblue Feb 2021 OP
And they'll shut that Nazi shit right down! Oh wait... 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2021 #1
Was it abhorrent when the check cleared? (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Feb 2021 #2
In related news, Susan Collins was also concerned Blue Owl Feb 2021 #3
LOL! n/t EndlessWire Feb 2021 #6
My takeaway from CPAC OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2021 #4
That is both gracious, and nuanced ... Hugh_Lebowski Feb 2021 #5
May I add; (6) Fake Christians nt Hotler Mar 2021 #42
They're going full-nazi, out in the open and think people won't catch it. brush Feb 2021 #7
Amazing that they allowed that. bamagal62 Feb 2021 #8
Yes. Very true. ancianita Feb 2021 #18
I really like Gov. Pritzker. bamagal62 Feb 2021 #21
JB Pritzger has never worked at Hyatt frazzled Feb 2021 #25
But, doesn't the family own the chain? bamagal62 Feb 2021 #26
Yes, of course frazzled Mar 2021 #29
I suspect Hyatt did Nazi that before the stage went in, because the ACU didn't show them the plans jmowreader Feb 2021 #9
Yes, any image-conscious corporation not fooled Feb 2021 #12
It will need a clause covering Unforeseen Atrocities jmowreader Feb 2021 #13
Boo Fucking Hoo. Tommymac Feb 2021 #10
Damage control Warpy Feb 2021 #11
I'm Jewish Sgent Feb 2021 #14
A difference worth noting - taxi Feb 2021 #19
... or the White Power/Okay sign Fascist males like to use in photo shoots,... magicarpet Mar 2021 #28
Toss some red meat to the crowd, stir up the libs taxi Mar 2021 #30
I've seen it on paraphernalia Warpy Mar 2021 #38
It didn't resemble a Nazi rune ibegurpard Feb 2021 #15
This. bamagal62 Feb 2021 #22
Thanks for Posting This Article...K & R..CPAC has defined itself forever... Stuart G Feb 2021 #16
Fuck you Hyatt. You knew who they were and you took their money anyway ZonkerHarris Feb 2021 #17
That's what I'm thinking. bamagal62 Mar 2021 #35
So Hyatt notices. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #20
Now disillusioned. bamagal62 Feb 2021 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Feb 2021 #24
Although. When you see the stage for the first time, you are bamagal62 Mar 2021 #37
LOL - wither poor Hyatt... Politicub Mar 2021 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Mar 2021 #50
Runes Bear Creek Mar 2021 #27
What you said!! Particularily the last sentence, the very definition of sacrilege Rural_Progressive Mar 2021 #32
It is exactly that Bear Creek Mar 2021 #33
It is exactly that Bear Creek Mar 2021 #34
great info. Thanks Evolve Dammit Mar 2021 #47
Good clarification burrowowl Mar 2021 #52
Hyatt hosts right wing nazi party, that tried overthrowing the US government 7 weeks ago, Jetheels Mar 2021 #31
Trump green lighted The Wizard Mar 2021 #36
Hyatt doesn't like the Nordic symbol but they love that dollar sign. Midnight Writer Mar 2021 #39
A turnaround for Hyatt twodogsbarking Mar 2021 #40
But we will cash the check anyway Miguelito Loveless Mar 2021 #41
The national socialist movement in the US adopted it in 2016 IronLionZion Mar 2021 #43
Because of your abhorrent symbols of hate twodogsbarking Mar 2021 #44
Effing Nazis BlueWavePsych Mar 2021 #45
. dalton99a Mar 2021 #46
Implausible deniability. dchill Mar 2021 #49
As a stage design it's dumb so I figure it was deliberate... electric_blue68 Mar 2021 #51
I'm betting most of the attendees had no clue what was going on DFW Mar 2021 #53

OAITW r.2.0

(24,455 posts)
4. My takeaway from CPAC
Sun Feb 28, 2021, 09:05 PM
Feb 2021

(1) Idol worship
(2) Nazi symbols embraced in the stage design
(3) A tone deaf rendering of the Star Spangled Banner
(4) A straw poll that punctured Trump's piñata
(5) Capped off with a forgettable Trump speech to end the embarrassment.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
5. That is both gracious, and nuanced ...
Sun Feb 28, 2021, 09:21 PM
Feb 2021

Mine was:

Fuck all these Traitorous Nazi Fucks!

And

Wait, WHY are these assholes on TV, now?

That was pretty much it.

bamagal62

(3,255 posts)
8. Amazing that they allowed that.
Sun Feb 28, 2021, 09:39 PM
Feb 2021

Isn’t Hyatt Pritzker’s chain? I’m surprised they let that fly.

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
18. Yes. Very true.
Sun Feb 28, 2021, 11:11 PM
Feb 2021


The Human Rights Campaign has awarded the company 100% in the HRC Equality Index for more than ten years, last in 2020.

It is weird, though. Maybe a management mistake, even for Florida. Jay Pritzker wouldn't mind pocketing the American Conservative Union's money, but as an Illinoisan, I'm pretty sure he would definitely mind that stage.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
25. JB Pritzger has never worked at Hyatt
Sun Feb 28, 2021, 11:56 PM
Feb 2021

He was a lawyer and businessman in his own right. His father was involved with Hyatt, as president ... but he died at age 39, long ago.

bamagal62

(3,255 posts)
26. But, doesn't the family own the chain?
Sun Feb 28, 2021, 11:58 PM
Feb 2021

I actually love Pritzker and voted for him. I thought they owned Hyatt.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
29. Yes, of course
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 12:13 AM
Mar 2021

But he’s never been involved. I assume he is an heir, but I don’t see what that has to do with anything.

I don’t know what this whole thread is even about. The hotel rented space, a disgusting stage was brought in by the group. It doesn’t mean they condone CPAC, the stage, or anything else.

jmowreader

(50,555 posts)
9. I suspect Hyatt did Nazi that before the stage went in, because the ACU didn't show them the plans
Sun Feb 28, 2021, 10:03 PM
Feb 2021

I also suspect Hyatt will inform the ACU, "if we do Nazi the plans of what you want to do before you build whatever it is you are building, and we do Nazi that you followed the plans you submitted to the letter, you will Nazi any of your money back when we evict your Nazi asses from our hotel."

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
12. Yes, any image-conscious corporation
Sun Feb 28, 2021, 10:25 PM
Feb 2021

doing business from now on with the party of insurrectionists, Nazis, and other traitors needs to have them sign an extensive contract addressing all of the potential embarrassments that could arise, with commensurate penalties if violated.

jmowreader

(50,555 posts)
13. It will need a clause covering Unforeseen Atrocities
Sun Feb 28, 2021, 10:28 PM
Feb 2021

The big problem in dealing with the GQP is they can think of new indecencies before you can.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
11. Damage control
Sun Feb 28, 2021, 10:17 PM
Feb 2021

Likely they had no idea what that pattern was when the stage went in. They don't want to be blamed for it.

If they're smart, CPAC will have to find another venue next year. Perhaps by then the hospitality industry will be less desperate.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
14. I'm Jewish
Sun Feb 28, 2021, 10:51 PM
Feb 2021

and I doubt if seeing that and not given a hint that I would get it. I *might* have recognized it as Norse, and then done some research since I know Norse is associated with white supremacy, but the stage is subtle enough it doesn't scream Nazi to me.

taxi

(1,896 posts)
19. A difference worth noting -
Sun Feb 28, 2021, 11:17 PM
Feb 2021

While seeing it wouldn't trigger me either, it sends a clear message to those who know what it is. Think of it like a cross or other image on a steeple.

magicarpet

(14,144 posts)
28. ... or the White Power/Okay sign Fascist males like to use in photo shoots,...
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 12:06 AM
Mar 2021

... because it is supposed to be top secret coded signal,... saying I am a racist too bro. Kinda like a secret Masonic handshake so you can identify a fellow "Traveler".

taxi

(1,896 posts)
30. Toss some red meat to the crowd, stir up the libs
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 12:20 AM
Mar 2021

I think those little PR stunts had a good long run, but now they've got to get down to business. Their leaders are free to travel.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
38. I've seen it on paraphernalia
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 01:32 AM
Mar 2021

posted at other sites in a "this is a warning" sort of way.

I'm sure they thought they were being subtle in their dog whistle to white supremacists.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
15. It didn't resemble a Nazi rune
Sun Feb 28, 2021, 10:58 PM
Feb 2021

It flat-out WAS a nazi rune. The only question is how far up the chain did the knowledge of the design go?

Stuart G

(38,419 posts)
16. Thanks for Posting This Article...K & R..CPAC has defined itself forever...
Sun Feb 28, 2021, 11:00 PM
Feb 2021

I thought the Pukes couldn't get any worse or stupider....But they got a whole lot worse with this one..

I wonder who designed that stage? Instead of it being about the speakers, this has turned out
to be about Nazis and symbols they used in WWII.

The Republican Party could not have done a stupider job of planning.
And this was stupid beyond stupid.
.

.Whoever planned the stage, knew exactly what he/she was doing..Not a mistake..but it will
all come out in a few days or weeks...Who planned the stage and why...We will all know the facts...
just the facts, ...just the facts
..

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

bamagal62

(3,255 posts)
37. Although. When you see the stage for the first time, you are
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 01:18 AM
Mar 2021

Frantically googling to see what it means because it was so close to a swastika, you just knew it had some meaning.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
48. LOL - wither poor Hyatt...
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 02:34 PM
Mar 2021

To answer your question, usually a production design company is hired; it handles the details with the hotel and construction staff.

Event and production design companies typically show the client different concepts from which to choose. I would love to know the concept-to-construction story of the set and stage. And, now that we’re thinking about it, I would also like to get my hands on the creative brief.

I worked in creative services on the communications side. Any reputable production and event firm will research its ideas before executing them in order to filter out anything unacceptable to the client.

And it all starts with a creative brief.

Response to Politicub (Reply #48)

Bear Creek

(883 posts)
27. Runes
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 12:06 AM
Mar 2021

Hitler used paranormal one way to control. Like taking Hindu swastika and changed it. The same was done with the runes. The rune it resembles is one for prosperity. So take care when you say Nazis runes because they are not theirs no more than the Hindu symbol was theirs. The focused ideas of a large group was thought to act as a way to control the "noosphere" a term by Pierre Teilhard de Chardin closest way to describe it. Martin Heidegger's book Introduction to Metaphysics was focused on by Hitler. The use of something sacred for the profane is abhorrent beyond words.

Bear Creek

(883 posts)
33. It is exactly that
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 12:57 AM
Mar 2021

The ties to south and the eugenics that was done was an inspiration to them. So to pretend that there wasn't Americans sympathetic would be a lie. They are dangerous and use distorted spirituality as a tool. They needed to routed out after WWll but instead we brought some over. Project paperclip.

Bear Creek

(883 posts)
34. It is exactly that
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 01:06 AM
Mar 2021

The ties to south and the eugenics that was done was an inspiration to them. So to pretend that there wasn't Americans sympathetic would be a lie. They are dangerous and use distorted spirituality as a tool. They needed to routed out after WWll but instead we brought some over. Project paperclip.

 

Jetheels

(991 posts)
31. Hyatt hosts right wing nazi party, that tried overthrowing the US government 7 weeks ago,
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 12:21 AM
Mar 2021

and now we’re all discussing whether or not it’s a nazi stage design? Remind me next time I stay at the Hyatt to first inquire if there’s any nazis conventions going on.

The Wizard

(12,541 posts)
36. Trump green lighted
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 01:16 AM
Mar 2021

the Nazis to come out of the woodwork. What if he was working with the feds to identify known threats to the country? What if the cult believed that to be true? We're not talking about the sharpest knives in the drawer. Someone could really cause real casualties (residual damage) with some packs of fire crackers at Trump rallies.

twodogsbarking

(9,734 posts)
40. A turnaround for Hyatt
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 08:15 AM
Mar 2021

What were they thinking. The question is whether they will rent to them again. Probably.

IronLionZion

(45,430 posts)
43. The national socialist movement in the US adopted it in 2016
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 10:41 AM
Mar 2021

in an attempt to appear slightly more mainstream

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odal_(rune)#United_States

twodogsbarking

(9,734 posts)
44. Because of your abhorrent symbols of hate
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 01:35 PM
Mar 2021

we are not allowing you to use the exercise room the next time you stay with us.

electric_blue68

(14,886 posts)
51. As a stage design it's dumb so I figure it was deliberate...
Mon Mar 1, 2021, 06:49 PM
Mar 2021

but I didn't know it had been appropriated into a Nazi symbol until pointed out on DU.

I also didn't happen to see tthe photo with that banner
till just shown here.

Hideous display!

DFW

(54,358 posts)
53. I'm betting most of the attendees had no clue what was going on
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 05:10 AM
Mar 2021

I think it was organized by a small group who knew EXACTLY what they were doing, as if they had phony $18 or $88 dollar bills passed around as "jokes."

Hard core rank and file Republicans don't manipulate--they like to BE manipulated. Their ignorance is their biggest trademark. I bet 90% of the people there couldn't even tell you what a "rune" is. The 10% in the know were probably doing the "wink wink" routine in the shadows.

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