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Fri Feb 26, 2021, 04:10 PM

Biden Won't Penalize Saudi Crown Prince Over Khashoggi's Killing, Fearing Relations Breach

Source: New York Times

WASHINGTON — President Biden has decided that the price of directly penalizing Saudi Arabia’s crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, is too high, according to senior administration officials, despite a detailed American intelligence finding that he directly approved the killing of Jamal Khashoggi, the dissident and Washington Post columnist who was drugged and dismembered in October 2018.

The decision by Mr. Biden, who during the 2020 campaign called Saudi Arabia a “pariah” state with “no redeeming social value,” came after weeks of debate in which his newly formed national security team advised him that there was no way to formally bar the heir to the Saudi crown from entering the United States, or to weigh criminal charges against him, without breaching the relationship with one of America’s key Arab allies.

Officials said a consensus developed inside the White House that the price of that breach, in Saudi cooperation on counterterrorism and in confronting Iran, was simply too high.

For Mr. Biden, the decision was a telling indication of how his more cautious instincts kicked in, and it will deeply disappoint the human rights community and members of his own party who complained during the Trump administration that the United States was failing to hold the crown prince, known by his initials M.B.S., accountable for his role.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/26/us/politics/biden-mbs-khashoggi.html

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Reply Biden Won't Penalize Saudi Crown Prince Over Khashoggi's Killing, Fearing Relations Breach (Original post)
Jose Garcia Feb 26 OP
50 Shades Of Blue Feb 26 #1
Fiendish Thingy Feb 26 #2
sinkingfeeling Feb 26 #20
Turbineguy Feb 26 #43
JT45242 Feb 26 #3
Mme. Defarge Feb 26 #4
Cha Feb 26 #11
Mme. Defarge Feb 26 #19
niyad Feb 26 #42
PSPS Feb 26 #5
choie Feb 26 #16
inwiththenew Feb 26 #6
PSPS Feb 26 #7
Mike Nelson Feb 26 #8
Fullduplexxx Feb 26 #9
Omnipresent Feb 26 #10
uppityperson Feb 26 #12
yaesu Feb 26 #13
choie Feb 26 #14
KPN Feb 26 #15
tirebiter Feb 26 #17
yaesu Feb 26 #18
Polybius Feb 26 #21
Bayard Feb 26 #22
LymphocyteLover Feb 26 #30
Magoo48 Feb 26 #34
LymphocyteLover Feb 26 #49
Magoo48 Feb 27 #55
Bayard Feb 27 #58
LymphocyteLover Feb 27 #59
John F. Kennedy Feb 26 #41
Miguelito Loveless Feb 26 #23
DallasNE Feb 26 #24
DallasNE Feb 26 #52
Karadeniz Feb 26 #25
rickyhall Feb 26 #26
ZonkerHarris Feb 26 #27
Jose Garcia Feb 26 #28
ZonkerHarris Feb 26 #29
Jose Garcia Feb 26 #32
MontanaMama Feb 26 #35
rockfordfile Feb 27 #62
LymphocyteLover Feb 26 #31
LymphocyteLover Feb 26 #33
bucolic_frolic Feb 26 #36
John F. Kennedy Feb 26 #40
John F. Kennedy Feb 26 #37
Evolve Dammit Feb 26 #38
LymphocyteLover Feb 26 #50
Evolve Dammit Feb 27 #60
jalan48 Feb 26 #39
Journeyman Feb 26 #44
erronis Feb 26 #45
PoliticAverse Feb 26 #46
MicaelS Feb 26 #47
Tarc Feb 26 #48
angrychair Feb 26 #51
reader1 Feb 27 #53
burrowowl Feb 27 #54
tavernier Feb 28 #64
twodogsbarking Feb 27 #56
George II Feb 27 #57
LymphocyteLover Feb 27 #61
murielm99 Feb 28 #63
George II Feb 28 #65

Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 04:13 PM

1. Damn. :(

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 04:14 PM

2. How about halting arms sales and blocking Mnuchin's Saudi investment fund?

Surely there could have been some measures taken rather than doing absolutely nothing.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 05:07 PM

20. Biden put a freeze on that arms sale at the end of January. Don't

know if it's been made permanent.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 08:16 PM

43. Mnuchin's fund

may very well turn out to be punishment.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 04:16 PM

3. A dress rehearsal for something more sinister

Whenever we have these 'peace in our times' moments the would be dictator oand international criminal who gets away with the illegal acts is emboldened to commit more and more heinous activities.

The US can bully Syria and Iran but refuses to hold Saudi Arabia responsible.

The consequence of "NO CONSEQUENCES" will be MBS will do something equally as bad somewhere else. The victim may not be a US resident but he has been given the green light to literally have someone chopped apart while alive.

This is why Trump looks up to these guys -- no consequences.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 04:20 PM

4. "directly"

Is this the operative word in the announcement?

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Response to Mme. Defarge (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 04:35 PM

11. Could be.. before anyone

jumps the gun.

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Response to Cha (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 05:05 PM

19. Greetings from a former Anarchist Jurisdiction!

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Response to Mme. Defarge (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 07:59 PM

42. I caught that as well. No telling what is going on behind the scenes.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 04:22 PM

5. I trust Biden. He knows what he's doing.

Notice the use of the term "directly," referring to Prince Bone Saw.

He did impose visa restrictions on 76 Saudi individuals whom he said are "believed to have been engaged in threatening dissidents overseas, including but not limited to the Khashoggi killing."

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Response to PSPS (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 04:52 PM

16. oooh visa restrictions..

I'm sure they're shivering in their boots

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 04:23 PM

6. Same as it ever was

The Kingdom does what it wants and the White House just shrugs its shoulders and says "What do you want me to do about it?". It's been the official US foreign policy position for decades now.

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Response to inwiththenew (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 04:26 PM

7. Read the story carefully. There was action taken, just short of PBS (prince bone saw)

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 04:27 PM

8. Don't agree with the...

... decision, although I do not have all the info Biden does... while we can consider the Prince a partner in some endeavors, he is NOT a a friend or ally. There should be some consequence.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 04:28 PM

9. Hey what's a little insignificant murder between friends

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 04:33 PM

10. What if there's a "next time this happens"?

Our government really should have contingency plans in place, to not just protect journalists, but to perhaps keep the capital safe.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 04:37 PM

12. K&R for more disappointment

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 04:43 PM

13. Well, okay Mr President but just make sure Jamal Khashoggi is given the Congressional Gold Medal

posthumously for giving his life in service of the country + the option of an Arlington National Cemetery burial with full honors and a nice pension for his family.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 04:49 PM

14. More lack of accountability

b/t

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 04:52 PM

15. Well, this pretty much guarantees a "next time"

though it’s hard to imagine another journalist ever putting themselves in the position Kashoggi placed himself, just by investigating and reporting facts and then visiting the region. So lesson learned ... bu the journalists.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 04:55 PM

17. Not fear

A judgement call.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 05:01 PM

18. I'm sure the Prince has learned 'a pretty big lesson'

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 05:20 PM

21. He can't, there's way too much politics involved

Anyone that expected him too was just being silly. All Administrations kiss Saudi ass.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 05:46 PM

22. Agreed

What else was Biden supposed to do? Sanction Saudi Arabia? Try to arrest him if he came to the U.S.?

It is a bitter pill to swallow, but we need them.

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Response to Bayard (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 07:26 PM

30. why do we need them?

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Response to LymphocyteLover (Reply #30)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 07:35 PM

34. To prevent climate crisis, we must stop suckling at the middle east oil nipple.

Now is as good a time as any to stand up and walk away on principle, thereby resulting in a harder drive towards sustainable energy.

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Response to Magoo48 (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 10:36 PM

49. Agreed!

I see they claim we need to Saudi Arabia to deal with Iran and terorrism but I don't buy that. A bigger factor may be how much of our debt they own.

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Response to LymphocyteLover (Reply #49)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 06:55 AM

55. I hadn't thought about the debt. Thanks.

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Response to LymphocyteLover (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 01:39 PM

58. The main reason we need them

Does not pertain to oil. They do help in maintaining a measure of peace and stability in the region.

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Response to Bayard (Reply #58)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 02:10 PM

59. They do? They've engaged in war crimes in their war on Yemen.

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Response to Bayard (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 07:58 PM

41. What if the decapitated person were related to you?

 

And please don't give me a dishonest answer.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 05:46 PM

23. Way to cede the moral high ground

Refuse to punish a murderer.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 06:22 PM

24. Count Me In The Camp Of Those That Are Disappointed

Turning the cheek on an ordered murder is being soft. Yes, I am aware that Putin has been courting him and other consequences but some kind of rebuke is in order. It also means that he will do it again.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 06:33 PM

25. I'm with the disappointeds.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 06:47 PM

26. When we finally get off the oil teat the Saudis will pay.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 07:00 PM

27. Good to know Saudi Arabia can murder anyone living in the US and nothing will be done

no matter who is in power.
Fucking bullshit.
I hope they bone saw MBS in the Arabian revolution someday.
That will be fun to hear about.

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Response to ZonkerHarris (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 07:14 PM

28. He was killed in Turkey, not the US

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Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #28)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 07:19 PM

29. I did not say he was killed in the US. Do not misquote me.

I said living in the US.
He was a US resident traveling for personal business.
Thanks for playing.
NEXT!

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Response to ZonkerHarris (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 07:30 PM

32. If he wasn't a US citizen and he wasn't killed in the US, what business is

of the US?

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Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #32)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 07:55 PM

35. He was a US resident who worked for an American newspaper

and had 3 children, all American citizens. I think it’s our business.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #28)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 11:59 PM

62. Actually they tried to kidnap others in the U.S. In Canada they arrested the terrorist.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 07:30 PM

31. one of the most evil regimes in the world and this is the best we can do?

I know we have a long complicated history with them but we really need to show we expect real improvement from them.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 07:55 PM

36. Saudi Arabia is our ally for many decades

This didn't happen on Biden's watch, nor on Obama's. We can't roil everything for accountability. Politics and national sovereignty make for occurrences not everyone likes, or would look the other way in real time. This in my view is one of those things.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #36)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 07:56 PM

40. What would happen to me if I decapitate someone?

 

Not that I'm going to decapitate anyone because I'm not a crazy psychopath like the Saudi Prince.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 07:55 PM

37. If a poor person decapitates someone, he/she goes down for life

 

The key do not being punished is to have a lot of oil.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 07:55 PM

38. US relations with House of Saud has been untouchable for 50-70 years. Needs to change but it won't.

Goes back to the Bush/ Bin-laden relationships over products; oil/concrete it's all transactional.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 10:37 PM

50. we don't need oil from them anymore

doubt we need concrete from them

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Response to LymphocyteLover (Reply #50)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 05:08 PM

60. Precisely. There are alliances, agreements and pacts we don't know about. I remember after 9-11,

when NO aircraft was flying, the Bin Laden family members here in the US were allowed to board aircraft and leave. There is so much "We" don't know. But we certainly don't need their oil at this point and are just supporting a brutal regime. Middle East balance of power carries the day. Biden inherited it all.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 07:55 PM

39. Butchered the guy and took him out of the embassy in pieces. This calls for a sternly worded letter.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 08:36 PM

44. Must have happened on الجادة الخامسة (Fifth Avenue) . . .

Mohammed been Sawing survives to cut again.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 08:51 PM

45. There are far more subtle and effective remedies to MBS that can be done behind the scenes.

Don't expect some headline grabbing action but watch over the next couple of years what happens to SA if MBS is still allowed to have any control.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 09:02 PM

46. "Nothing would fundamentally change" n/t

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 09:32 PM

47. MBS just might be in poor health and not know it.

Strokes can strike without warning.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 10:03 PM

48. That's not cool, Joe


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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 10:38 PM

51. Rich people walk

Poor people die.

Unfortunately its the way of the world. We exist for rich people to kill for their pleasure.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 12:21 AM

53. Mean while in Orlando

a white supremacy former president of the U.S.A, who is responsible for the death of tens of thousand of U.S citizens, having a convention plotting how to overthrow the US government.

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Response to reader1 (Reply #53)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 01:23 AM

54. Yup! We are not out the woods yet!

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Response to reader1 (Reply #53)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 09:07 AM

64. Thank you.

I was thinking the same thing. Don’t we have enough murderous crazies of our own to fight, many serving in our congress?

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 10:58 AM

56. It sucks

but I trust Joe to make the correct decision. Stay tuned.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2021, 11:15 AM

57. As pointed out elsewhere (not on DU, however), Biden DID and will penalize Saudi Arabia....

While the Secretary of Defense was talking to the son, Biden spoke to the King himself, and will implement sanctions and "punishment" as time goes on. This is the way monarchies are dealt with and how international diplomacy works.

Biden doesn't act in a kneejerk fashion, he does things methodically and in a way to minimize pushback. Let's be patient and see.

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Response to George II (Reply #57)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 02:58 AM

63. I was looking for a post from you.

I knew you would be a voice of reason here.

MBS is being punished.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #63)

Sun Feb 28, 2021, 09:53 AM

65. Thanks. Many of us have forgotten how international diplomacy should be conducted after...

...the last four years of yelling, screaming, and violent overreaction.



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