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Thu Feb 25, 2021, 05:49 PM

Former U.S. gymnastics coach dies by suicide after arrest for alleged sex crimes in Michigan

Source: NBC News

Police found the body of a former U.S. gymnastics coach, who has ties to disgraced doctor Larry Nassar, hours after he was criminally charged in Michigan on Thursday.

John Geddert died by suicide and was discovered in Grand Ledge, Michigan, according to Kelly Rossman-McKinney, a spokeswoman for Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel.

Geddert's lawyer could not be immediately reached for comment.

Geddert had agreed to surrender at a sheriff's office on Thursday before a 2:15 p.m. arraignment but he never showed up, Rossman-McKinney said.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/former-u-s-gymnastics-coach-arrested-charged-alleged-sex-crimes-n1258862



I'm not sure why the headline says "after arrest" when the article says Geddert never showed up at the Sheriff's office to turn himself in.

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Reply Former U.S. gymnastics coach dies by suicide after arrest for alleged sex crimes in Michigan (Original post)
GregariousGroundhog Feb 25 OP
BumRushDaShow Feb 25 #1
Jirel Feb 25 #3
whathehell Feb 25 #7
hlthe2b Feb 25 #11
whathehell Feb 25 #13
NurseJackie Feb 25 #14
SharonClark Feb 25 #19
NurseJackie Feb 25 #21
BlueInPhilly Feb 25 #22
NurseJackie Feb 25 #31
Jirel Feb 25 #25
whathehell Feb 25 #34
moriah Feb 26 #40
BumRushDaShow Feb 25 #10
Sophiegirl Feb 25 #12
NurseJackie Feb 25 #15
niyad Feb 25 #16
Sophiegirl Feb 25 #17
Ferrets are Cool Feb 25 #27
Jirel Feb 25 #28
Sophiegirl Feb 25 #30
lisa58 Feb 25 #2
Stuart G Feb 25 #4
whathehell Feb 25 #9
shrike3 Feb 25 #20
wcmagumba Feb 25 #5
Polybius Feb 25 #6
RussBLib Feb 25 #8
PJMcK Feb 25 #18
roamer65 Feb 25 #35
alphafemale Feb 25 #23
PJMcK Feb 25 #36
dchill Feb 25 #24
Lucky Luciano Feb 25 #26
JohnnyRingo Feb 25 #29
Xipe Totec Feb 25 #32
erronis Feb 25 #33
PJMcK Feb 25 #37
dawn frenzy adams Feb 25 #38
Submariner Feb 25 #39

Response to GregariousGroundhog (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 05:50 PM

1. Wow

I saw all the breaking news banners this afternoon about him being charged. What a sick coward.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 05:54 PM

3. Meh.

He’s dead. Less money wasted on him, closure for the women he abused, less notoriety for him. It all works out. It’s probably the only decent thing he’s done in years, so “cowardly” is beside the point.

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Response to Jirel (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 06:02 PM

7. It may not be "beside the point" for his victims

Who may well have needed to see his ass in open court being held accountable.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 06:21 PM

11. Maybe this will allow them to move on--more so than being subjected to a horrendously public

trial and likely years and years of appeals or even new trials.

I'd like to see a lot of the victims get together for whatever might constitute a private healing session--just for them. No press.

Perhaps those who want to find "healing in doing," might help to design safeguards for Olympic gymnastic training programs of the future.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 06:36 PM

13. Maybe, maybe not..

I've heard numerous victims and victims' family members state the opposite.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 06:41 PM

14. He will always be (technically) "innocent" because he was never "proven guilty".

That kinda sucks.

Just like Ken Lay is "innocent" because he died before his appeal could be heard, and his judgement was set aside (is "vacated" the right word?) ... in any case, Ken Lay is technically innocent (even though he's not).

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 07:13 PM

19. Why twist yourself into knots over this?

The case will be dismissed. Dismissing a case doesn't make the defendent innocent.



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Response to SharonClark (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 07:32 PM

21. Technically, it does. "Innocent until proven guilty." He wasn't proven guilty.

Why twist yourself into knots over this?
It's not clear to me why anyone would think that I am in such a knotted-up state.

Dismissing a case doesn't make the defendent innocent.
Natually, it doesn't mean that he "didn't do it"... it means (in my estimation) that he wasn't proven guilty... he wasn't convicted... he wasn't sentenced.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 07:55 PM

22. Technically

Ken Lay might still be alive somewhere drinking margaritas with Epstein and Elvis

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Response to BlueInPhilly (Reply #22)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 08:58 PM

31. Bastard...

... i hope he's burning in hell. So many lives ruined.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 08:30 PM

25. Oh yes - because rape and trafficking victims LOVE being cross examined.

Why TF do you think so many didn’t come forward until years later? Because they were sure they’d be believed? Because they were looking forward to being slandered all over court, and media, and social media? Because they desperately wanted to take heat and gain notoriety for the crimes committed against them for which they had pain and shame for years, even decades? RARE are the women who want that day in open court.

They have just avoided having a spotlight shone on them, insinuations and direct accusations that they are liars and sluts, having to hire their own lawyers and maybe PR firms, dealing with stress and nonstop disruptions of their lives for months or years through the process, sideways glances and whispers from family, friends, colleagues, clients, employees, and vendors, loss of dignity yet AGAIN...

Yeah. I’m sure that most of them are effin’ HEARTBROKEN.

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Response to Jirel (Reply #25)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 10:16 PM

34. As a SURVIVOR of sexual assault, I hardly need a lecture from YOU

and I believe that is ALL I need to say. Have a nice one..






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Response to Jirel (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 26, 2021, 12:12 AM

40. Don't think a suicide just before trial is necessarily better.

Every survivor is different, as is every case of rape/abuse/sexual trauma.

Sometimes suicide, depending on the circumstances, is the one last thing their rapist can do to cause them emotional pain.

And I've seen what happened when an asshole made that decision. Sure, it made sure his bio kids got survivors checks from Social Security, and they wouldn't have gotten any financial support at all had he been convicted. It also made sure the tape of him admitting to what happened was never aired in court, so to this day half the family calls her a murderess.

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Response to Jirel (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 06:04 PM

10. I expect that there might be or are a number of civil suits queued up

and now that avenue to get compensation for the trauma is going to be more difficult.

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Response to Jirel (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 06:29 PM

12. WTF

These young women will be damaged for the rest of their lives. I can attest to that as I am a victim of childhood sexual abuse.

Sure....he’s dead. But to me....THAT IS THE EASY WAY OUT!!! The young women he abused are in for a lifetime of pain that can’t be wiped away with a simple, “well he’s dead, so that is closure for them.”

You know nothing of the lifelong trauma that a sexual abuse victim suffers. Shame on you.

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Response to Sophiegirl (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 06:42 PM

15. Yes.

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Response to Sophiegirl (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 06:43 PM

16. There are no adequate words for what you, and so many, have endure. I am so very sorry.

All,I can offer is a hug.

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Response to niyad (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 07:02 PM

17. Thank you. The one thing I can say about this is....

....you learn to be a survivor and not a victim. But the damage is forever. You have to mitigate what you are capable of mitigating.

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Response to Sophiegirl (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 08:31 PM

27. ...

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Response to Sophiegirl (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 08:37 PM

28. Don't make silly assumptions about my own experiences and those I directly have dealt with.

If you feel that way, then that’s your emotion, and nobody can tell you whether it is right or wrong. Like many women, I have been sexually assaulted. I have worked cases of sexual assaults in the courts. Got off “easy?” Hardly. Easier than it could have been? Yes. Did many women who dreaded the next months or years of their lives in the ensuing media/social media/court circus also have some measure of relief? Yes.

No justice available is perfect. One of the best outcomes possible may have been this one - firing, disgrace, notoriety for his acts, and self-inflicted death penalty.

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Response to Jirel (Reply #28)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 08:50 PM

30. That was not my point.

Diminishing the lifelong damage to the victim was my point. Not whether or not the perpetrator got his/her comeuppance.

Maybe you were able to “move on,” but most women cannot easily set it aside so easily. Especially if they have experienced the abuse/assault as children and more often than not, have no voice out of fear of not being believed.

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Response to GregariousGroundhog (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 05:50 PM

2. Wow...

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Response to GregariousGroundhog (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 05:56 PM

4. This story and the one about Larry Nassar very sad, and hard to believe..K and R

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 06:04 PM

9. Sad..Not, unfortunately, hard to believe. n/t.

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 07:21 PM

20. Predators go where there are kids. Or figure out good ways of luring them. There were two (married)


Firefighters not far from me who had a little thing going out of the firehouse.

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Response to GregariousGroundhog (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 06:02 PM

6. Women's gymnastics was on last week and I just happened to think about that

I can only imagine how rampant it might be. Young girls in small outfits constantly around older men coaching them. Not saying all are perverts but I’m sure many of those men are.

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Response to GregariousGroundhog (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 06:03 PM

8. I guess that means he was guilty

Sick fuck. As long as you get away with it, cool. Get caught, and suicide!

That is a really bad message.

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Response to GregariousGroundhog (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 07:07 PM

18. In the end, Geddert did the right thing

These abusers don't deserve the air they breathe.

Rather than wasting everyone's time and our tax dollars, he offed himself.

Thanks, asshole.

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 10:25 PM

35. I agree.

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Response to GregariousGroundhog (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 08:07 PM

23. I hope it hurt.

I really do.

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 10:29 PM

36. Well, we can know one thing for sure

Geddert knew that his life was over. That had to be a devastating realization. He must have known his criminality was going to destroy his life and that he would be consumed with his legal and financial problems with a very dire future.

He saved everyone time, money and effort.

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Response to GregariousGroundhog (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 08:25 PM

24. Tried, judged and sentenced. DIY.

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Response to GregariousGroundhog (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 08:45 PM

29. Hopefully it brings closure.

I'm not going to celebrate his death because I'm sure he has family that is mourning, but I understand why he did it. He must have known what it was he did would warrant a lengthy sentence, probably life.

Unfortunate that his choices affected so many others, but now I hope they can begin to heal.

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Response to GregariousGroundhog (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 09:09 PM

32. Not to put too fine a point on it, you don't die by suicide; you kill yourself.

die by suicide makes it seem passive, like "I was walking down the street and then, suddenly, a suicide happened to me."

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #32)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 09:49 PM

33. I agree. Apparently "committed suicide" is unacceptable now. So many word police...

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #32)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 10:31 PM

37. Perhaps that's a legal distinction

Death by suicide.

Death by manslaughter.

Death by chocolate. (Just kidding.)

Maybe it's a term of art?

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Response to GregariousGroundhog (Original post)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 10:41 PM

38. So....

When is Gym Jordan going to be arrested?

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Response to dawn frenzy adams (Reply #38)

Thu Feb 25, 2021, 10:56 PM

39. Probably after the George Clooney Docu-series about Gym comes out

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