Wed Feb 17, 2021, 07:07 AM
brooklynite (68,701 posts)
Japan's ruling party invites women to 'look not talk' at key meetings
Source: BBC
Days after Japan's Olympics chief was forced to resign over sexist comments, the ruling party has decided to invite women to attend key meetings - as long as they do not speak.
The Liberal Democratic Party proposed allowing five female lawmakers to observe its all-male board meetings. They cannot talk during the meeting - only submit opinions afterwards. The Tokyo Olympics organising committee chief had sparked a firestorm by saying women talked too much in meetings. Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56095215
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brooklynite | Feb 17 | OP |
Garion_55 | Feb 17 | #1 | |
onetexan | Feb 17 | #2 | |
Celerity | Feb 17 | #4 | |
rpannier | Feb 17 | #7 | |
soryang | Feb 17 | #10 | |
IronLionZion | Feb 17 | #13 | |
melm00se | Feb 17 | #18 | |
Ellipsis | Feb 17 | #3 | |
marble falls | Feb 17 | #5 | |
niyad | Feb 17 | #6 | |
Squinch | Feb 17 | #8 | |
tanyev | Feb 17 | #9 | |
Evolve Dammit | Feb 17 | #11 | |
colorado_ufo | Feb 17 | #12 | |
barbtries | Feb 17 | #14 | |
spike jones | Feb 17 | #15 | |
madwivoter | Feb 17 | #16 | |
Irish_Dem | Feb 17 | #17 | |
iluvtennis | Feb 17 | #19 | |
usajumpedtheshark | Feb 17 | #20 | |
Warpy | Feb 17 | #21 |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 07:09 AM
Garion_55 (1,786 posts)
1. isnt it 2021 over there yet?
instead of 1921?
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 07:41 AM
onetexan (9,061 posts)
2. the ruling party's name is "Liberal Democratic party". what's liberal & democratic about shutting up
women?
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Response to onetexan (Reply #2)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 08:19 AM
Celerity (17,614 posts)
4. The US is one of the few places where 'liberal' generally doesn't mean centre right in terms of
politics (think classical liberalism). I just cringe when US people on the left self-define as liberal, and get really pissed when Rethugs use the term as a smear for the Dems in the US.
Democratic is neutral overall, as you can have democratic outcomes that swing wildly between right and left (think of all the hard socialist or even communist nations that had/have Democratic in their names or their main party's name). Also the political party (ideologically based) colours are reversed (LW/Dem in the US is Blue, RW/Rethug is Red) from so many nations as well (really arbitrary and foolish, IMHO, history for that). |
Response to onetexan (Reply #2)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 08:52 AM
rpannier (22,471 posts)
7. The liberal refers to economic policies
Australia's conservative party is the Liberal Party
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Response to onetexan (Reply #2)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 10:15 AM
soryang (2,678 posts)
10. The LDP party is a right wing party run by oligarchs
Especially so with Abe faction currently dominating it.
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Response to onetexan (Reply #2)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:01 AM
IronLionZion (32,369 posts)
13. More info about their party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Democratic_Party_(Japan)
They definitely sound like what Americans would consider right wing conservative and nationalist |
Response to onetexan (Reply #2)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:58 AM
melm00se (4,151 posts)
18. This is the reason that I teach
my students to avoid political labels, especially internationally, as those labels don't apply universally across history or space.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 08:12 AM
Ellipsis (8,482 posts)
3. A friend would take meetings in Japan... he would always get a woman for interpreter...
...because they talk like she wasn't in the room. It gave him an advantage
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 08:41 AM
marble falls (37,637 posts)
5. Well, their yammering about "issues", "policy", "solutions" just takes the fun out of the ...
... meetings of the Nippon He-man Women's Hater Club.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 08:44 AM
niyad (75,755 posts)
6. And The WAR ON WOMEN continues apace. Would you consider cross-posting this in Women's
Rights and Issues? Thanks in advance.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 08:55 AM
Squinch (35,624 posts)
8. On the bright side, at least they're open about their hatred of women.
Here, it's harder to see it coming at you. But it does come at you.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 09:59 AM
tanyev (33,816 posts)
9. This always surprises me about Japan.
I think of them as so modern, with women having educational parity and similar career opportunities. But then there are stories like this and the need for women-only train and subway cars because of constant anonymous groping. It’s an odd dichotomy.
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Response to tanyev (Reply #9)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 10:31 AM
Evolve Dammit (4,786 posts)
11. very odd indeed. Old "traditions" die hard. Basic respect and equal rights are painfully slow.
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 10:55 AM
colorado_ufo (4,596 posts)
12. I would bet that if a woman were wealthy enough
she would suddenly be thought of as "a brilliant exception" and be invited to a meeting (for limited speaking, of course).
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:16 AM
barbtries (24,684 posts)
14. wow.
just, wow
patriarchy is paranoid and stupid. women are people!! |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:23 AM
spike jones (781 posts)
15. Instead of speaking, the women could use a lot of hand and finger signs. n/t
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:31 AM
madwivoter (529 posts)
16. I've traveled to Japan several times for work
The trip that stands out the most was the one where I was sent there for 15 days to do some training on a technical system. I told my boss that I clearly wouldn't need that long and that it would take me 4 or 5 days. He agreed, but insisted that if they thought it would take that long that I should just plan on being there for 15 days. Fast forward, I finished training in a few days, they were 'amazed at my technical ability'.
My boss said I should just stick it out and try to learn more if possible and attend some meetings with some other teams. All in all it wasn't a bad trip (kind of boring to be in Japan for 2 weeks by yourself though). I did some exploring and took the train to Yokohama and Mt. Fuji, which was amazing. Another strange (to me) thing was on my first day of training I was invited to have lunch with the [male] engineers who I was training with, the next day I assumed I would lunch with them again (since we were working together) and they promptly introduced me to the female administrative assistants and said that I would enjoy having lunch with them 'from now on'. I've been working closely with people from Japan for around 20 years and I haven't really seen much if any change to how women are treated. I don't take personal offense, because it's clearly cultural, but it can be insulting and frustrating in the moment. |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:50 AM
Irish_Dem (11,542 posts)
17. Could this be part of the reason the marriage and birth rates are so low in Japan?
Women are just fed up???
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:54 PM
iluvtennis (14,999 posts)
19. One word, seriously?
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 01:01 PM
usajumpedtheshark (501 posts)
20. This lowers my opinion of Japan. I'll put them in the same box as the Catholic Church.
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Wed Feb 17, 2021, 03:15 PM
Warpy (99,514 posts)
21. Oh, yeah, let us know how well that works out for you, Buster.
Being silent and decorative is not why women run for office.
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