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Wed Feb 17, 2021, 07:07 AM

Japan's ruling party invites women to 'look not talk' at key meetings

Source: BBC

Days after Japan's Olympics chief was forced to resign over sexist comments, the ruling party has decided to invite women to attend key meetings - as long as they do not speak.

The Liberal Democratic Party proposed allowing five female lawmakers to observe its all-male board meetings.

They cannot talk during the meeting - only submit opinions afterwards.

The Tokyo Olympics organising committee chief had sparked a firestorm by saying women talked too much in meetings.




Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56095215

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Reply Japan's ruling party invites women to 'look not talk' at key meetings (Original post)
brooklynite Feb 17 OP
Garion_55 Feb 17 #1
onetexan Feb 17 #2
Celerity Feb 17 #4
rpannier Feb 17 #7
soryang Feb 17 #10
IronLionZion Feb 17 #13
melm00se Feb 17 #18
Ellipsis Feb 17 #3
marble falls Feb 17 #5
niyad Feb 17 #6
Squinch Feb 17 #8
tanyev Feb 17 #9
Evolve Dammit Feb 17 #11
colorado_ufo Feb 17 #12
barbtries Feb 17 #14
spike jones Feb 17 #15
madwivoter Feb 17 #16
Irish_Dem Feb 17 #17
iluvtennis Feb 17 #19
usajumpedtheshark Feb 17 #20
Warpy Feb 17 #21

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 07:09 AM

1. isnt it 2021 over there yet?

instead of 1921?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 07:41 AM

2. the ruling party's name is "Liberal Democratic party". what's liberal & democratic about shutting up

women?

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Response to onetexan (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 08:19 AM

4. The US is one of the few places where 'liberal' generally doesn't mean centre right in terms of

politics (think classical liberalism). I just cringe when US people on the left self-define as liberal, and get really pissed when Rethugs use the term as a smear for the Dems in the US.

Democratic is neutral overall, as you can have democratic outcomes that swing wildly between right and left (think of all the hard socialist or even communist nations that had/have Democratic in their names or their main party's name).

Also the political party (ideologically based) colours are reversed (LW/Dem in the US is Blue, RW/Rethug is Red) from so many nations as well (really arbitrary and foolish, IMHO, history for that).

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Response to onetexan (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 08:52 AM

7. The liberal refers to economic policies

Australia's conservative party is the Liberal Party

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Response to onetexan (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 10:15 AM

10. The LDP party is a right wing party run by oligarchs

Especially so with Abe faction currently dominating it.

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Response to onetexan (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:01 AM

13. More info about their party

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Democratic_Party_(Japan)

They definitely sound like what Americans would consider right wing conservative and nationalist

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Response to onetexan (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:58 AM

18. This is the reason that I teach

my students to avoid political labels, especially internationally, as those labels don't apply universally across history or space.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 08:12 AM

3. A friend would take meetings in Japan... he would always get a woman for interpreter...

...because they talk like she wasn't in the room. It gave him an advantage

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 08:41 AM

5. Well, their yammering about "issues", "policy", "solutions" just takes the fun out of the ...

... meetings of the Nippon He-man Women's Hater Club.



They're lucky even four of them were even invited.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 08:44 AM

6. And The WAR ON WOMEN continues apace. Would you consider cross-posting this in Women's

Rights and Issues? Thanks in advance.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 08:55 AM

8. On the bright side, at least they're open about their hatred of women.

Here, it's harder to see it coming at you. But it does come at you.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 09:59 AM

9. This always surprises me about Japan.

I think of them as so modern, with women having educational parity and similar career opportunities. But then there are stories like this and the need for women-only train and subway cars because of constant anonymous groping. Itís an odd dichotomy.

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Response to tanyev (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 10:31 AM

11. very odd indeed. Old "traditions" die hard. Basic respect and equal rights are painfully slow.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 10:55 AM

12. I would bet that if a woman were wealthy enough

she would suddenly be thought of as "a brilliant exception" and be invited to a meeting (for limited speaking, of course).

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:16 AM

14. wow.

just, wow

patriarchy is paranoid and stupid.


women are people!!

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:23 AM

15. Instead of speaking, the women could use a lot of hand and finger signs. n/t

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:31 AM

16. I've traveled to Japan several times for work

The trip that stands out the most was the one where I was sent there for 15 days to do some training on a technical system. I told my boss that I clearly wouldn't need that long and that it would take me 4 or 5 days. He agreed, but insisted that if they thought it would take that long that I should just plan on being there for 15 days. Fast forward, I finished training in a few days, they were 'amazed at my technical ability'.

My boss said I should just stick it out and try to learn more if possible and attend some meetings with some other teams. All in all it wasn't a bad trip (kind of boring to be in Japan for 2 weeks by yourself though). I did some exploring and took the train to Yokohama and Mt. Fuji, which was amazing.

Another strange (to me) thing was on my first day of training I was invited to have lunch with the [male] engineers who I was training with, the next day I assumed I would lunch with them again (since we were working together) and they promptly introduced me to the female administrative assistants and said that I would enjoy having lunch with them 'from now on'.

I've been working closely with people from Japan for around 20 years and I haven't really seen much if any change to how women are treated. I don't take personal offense, because it's clearly cultural, but it can be insulting and frustrating in the moment.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 11:50 AM

17. Could this be part of the reason the marriage and birth rates are so low in Japan?

Women are just fed up???

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 12:54 PM

19. One word, seriously?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 01:01 PM

20. This lowers my opinion of Japan. I'll put them in the same box as the Catholic Church.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Feb 17, 2021, 03:15 PM

21. Oh, yeah, let us know how well that works out for you, Buster.

Being silent and decorative is not why women run for office.

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