Extremists intensify calls for violence ahead of Inauguration Day

[Dennis Donovan]

Source: CNN

By Rob Kuznia, Curt Devine, Scott Bronstein and Bob Ortega, CNN

Updated 9:28 PM ET, Fri January 8, 2021

(CNN)"Trump or war. Today. That simple."
"If you don't know how to shoot: You need to learn. NOW."
"we will storm the government buildings, kill cops, kill security guards, kill federal employees and agents, and demand a recount."

In the weeks, days and hours ahead of Wednesday's siege on the Capitol by President Donald Trump's zealous supporters, the warning signs were clear: online posts from hate groups and right-wing provocateurs agitating for civil war, the deaths of top lawmakers and attacks on law enforcement.

And now, as the dust settles and the country struggles to make sense of the violence that left five dead -- including an officer with the US Capitol Police -- experts warn that the calls for violence have only intensified ahead of Inauguration Day, when President-elect Joe Biden will be sworn in as commander in chief.

"We are seeing ... chatter from these white supremacists, from these far-right extremists -- they feel emboldened in this moment," said Jonathan Greenblatt, the CEO of the Anti-Defamation League, which tracks and counters hate. "We fully expect that this violence could actually get worse before it gets better."

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Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/us/online-extremism-inauguration-capitol-invs/index.html

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[notinkansas]

1. An inauguration at an undisclosed location

might be in order.

[twodogsbarking]

13. I disagree

That would be surrender.

[notinkansas]

22. No. It wouldn't be surrender.

It would be not aiding them by providing targets.

[wnylib]

24. Sounds more like foolishness

than courage.

Terrorists are planning a "Million Militia March" on DC from Jan 17 to Jan 20. They claim to have enough armed militia attendance that no army could stop. They will likely arrive in groups that trickle in from now to the planned actions so they cannot be confronted as a recognizable group while they arrive.

They are determined to occupy all of DC and shut down government operations until they force the nation to accept Trump for a second term.

This is not the atmosphere for Biden to be visible on a stage in the open while being sworn in. It could be done in a safe, undisclosed location and shown on TV and online.

[twodogsbarking]

25. While I don't disagree it may be a good idea

I still say it is surrender.

[wnylib]

26. I say it's prudence.

[Chemisse]

27. It's not a good look, but I think it should be done.

It'd actually be fun if it was a last-minute surprise move and the crowd was in DC rioting for nothing.

[wnylib]

29. Yes, it would be funny if the magats

were rioting over nothing because it was done elsewhere. So long as nobody gets hurt in the riots, the systems of government are not stopped, and property damsge does not ruin people's livelihood.

Regarding how it looks, I know that images can send a message, but it's the orange fascist who is always concerned with how things look. We don't need to imitate him.

[onetexan]

2. Didn't the crazies do this for Obama's inauguration in 2008 as well?

Get the proper security in place as tight and secure as during that event - Secret Service, FBI, National Guard, DC Police, Capitol Police (weeded out) flooding the place. One of my colleagues was there at O's first inaguration and even w/ over 1M people he said there were agents everywhere. We cannot let a buncha goons deter our duly elected President to assume his role as Chief Executive of the great nation.

I will also add for DC and surrounding cities to deny any petition to rally, march or protest. Anyone entering the cities with that intent should be rounded up & locked up in the days leading up to and day of the inauguration.

[wnylib]

30. I suspect that the magat terrorists

will occupy the White House this time. They are saying on their websites that they will see that no "Communist Democrats" get near the White House.

Trump will still be in the WH diring the period when the magats start arriving on DC on the 17th. He could invite them to the WH grounds for a rally and let them stay there. Some magats are saying they will burn DC down before they let Biden take office and move into the WH.

Trump has made plans to be out of the country on the 20th. I'm betting that he turns the WH over to the magats before he leaves. Attempts to remove them could be met with them setting it on fire.

Trump wants to be out of the country before he can be arrested.

[TigressDem]

44. Where will tRump go? Scotland said "NO" due to Covid.

https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/scotlands-sturgeon-says-trump-cant-come-play-golf

[Lovegan]

60. The Trump Crime Family are a flight risk, with multiple options.

[TigressDem]

61. There's always Russia nt

[TigressDem]

35. But until the 20th when proper examination can be done, how do we know WHO will DEFEND Biden ??

The National Guard was delayed hours.

Lincoln

JFK

Bobby Kennedy



Who else needs to die a martyr?

[onetexan]

37. Biden has said security detail will be overseen by Swcret Svc

& that he trusts them 100%. In meantime, they w need to so a clean sweep of the capitol police.

[olegramps]

3. I guess this is one of the problems with freedom of speech. It can be abused by the nut jobs.

[Skittles]

34. threatening to kill people is not freedom of speech

it is terrorism

[TigressDem]

36. EXACTLTY nt

[olegramps]

41. Agree whole heartedly. But, I still contend sadly that it can be abused.

For instance members of congress have special exemptions from the threat of prosecution.

[TigressDem]

43. HOWEVER, if what they are calling for amounts to INSURRECTION it it against their oath of office

And is reason to remove them from said office.

I guess we should be "GLAD" that they have gone this far. Maybe we will have an even LARGER lead in both House and Senate when all the Congress Critters who called to have Pence attacked get removed and someone has to replace them.

Who does temporary appointments in that case? Governor of the state? Or do we just go without until a special election?

[olegramps]

45. Thanks for your response.

What I am referring to is the abuse of those spreading outright ridiculous conspiracies daily on varies outlets. It appears that they can invoke the right to freedom of speech even though it could result in criminal behavior by others. I am not a lawyer so I can't address the legalities. I am open to any information.

[TigressDem]

50. Section 3 of the 14th amendment

Not a lawyer either but the main idea is Congress members take an oath to protect the Constitution and by encouraging acts that amount to insurrection they are culpable. I THINK as do many others, but....

MOST LIKELY they can say, "WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW it would get VIOLENT. I just thought they would protest and that is just free speech."

SO GOING FORWARD - IF WE DEFINE it more clearly,

"Based on events of Jan 6, 2021 where crowds were incited to violence and acts of insurrection by the seated President, media outlets, State officials and members of Congress - which resulted in actual deaths and included plots to murder the Vice President and others in Congress:

It is hereby decreed that such manipulation of the public is a TREASONOUS VIOLATION OF THE OATH OF OFFICE.

No President, Vice President, seated member of Congress or anyone working in conjunction with Congress members or the Executive Branch or those in their employ or otherwise beholden to them may use EVIDENCE DISPROVED IN A COURT OF LAW or otherwise PROVED TO BE FALSE to incite crowds to action against citizens or institutions.

It carries a minimum penalty of 50 years in jail and a maximum penalty of DEATH."




THEN these treasonous bastards have been warned.




https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-republican-enablers-14th-amendment-charged-capitol-insurrection-riot-dc-2021-1

The rioters deserve to be charged for their crimes, but they didn't act alone. President Donald Trump and Republican members of the House and Senate have been fanning the flames of insurrection for months. If they don't face legitimate consequences for their actions, we'll risk normalizing treasonous behavior for future generations.

A broken oath

Section 3 of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution states that no elected official "shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against [the Constitution]." Make no mistake: Sen. Ted Cruz, Sen. Josh Hawley, and many others helped incite this insurrection by following Trump's lead in objecting to the results of the election. They supported the idea that the election was stolen from Trump, despite having no evidence, and invigorated his base in doing so.

https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Oath_Office.htm

Oath of Office

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

[Codifer]

53. I took that oath in 1965.

I now think that what I swore to preserve protect and defend was the paradox.

That wonderful document gives us an assurance of basic freedoms in the first ten amendments.

Those first ten amendments are also a tool kit that can be used to burn down the whole fucking idea.

And we lose.

We could easily stop the spewers of lies with extreme prejudice.

Doing so will violate and nullify the assurances of freedom in the document.

And we lose.


Edit to add: I should have said "rights" rather than "freedoms". The word "freedom" got tainted about twenty years ago.

[TigressDem]

55. I want to see it so stark that people will think before mounting an insurrection again.

But if treason can be proved, it is already punishable by death.1


Spewing LIES to incite violence should NOT be protected.

There are enough truthful disagreements we can have under free speech protections.

Lies and propaganda used by the State to incite mass hysteria and violence should have ZERO free speech protection.

IMHO

[Codifer]

56. I cannot disagree with that logic.

The true solution is education and critical thinking but such education would take at least a generation and a massive will to see it done. We will never have that time unless these spewers are stopped now.

So, yes, we should deliver unto them that stark reality. As the saying goes, we should get medieval on their asses, put them in stocks in the public square. It is the moral thing to do... there is a price for lies.

[TigressDem]

58. "We hold these TRUTHS to be Self Evident...." America is built on TRUTH not LIES...

At least that was what the original framers intended.


WHEN LIES are used by those elected to govern in GOOD FAITH and the result is that LIFE and LIBERTY are taken from SOME for the profit of the few, it is an egregious wrong done not only on those individuals, but on our Nation as a whole as it diminishes ALL OF US to see such treachery.


https://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/

........

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.....

[EarthFirst]

4. Sooo...

We're not doing the "Blue Lives Matter" thing anymore?

[Dave Starsky]

5. "Extremists"? How about we just call them TERRORISTS now?

Because that's just exactly WTF they are.

[Tommymac]

14. This

[twodogsbarking]

6. Best guard the White House

are y'all listening?

[Aussie105]

7. With the threat of violence

holding the inauguration out in the open isn't a good idea.

Trump said he wouldn't be there. That could mean anything, and not just Trump sulking.

Armed agents on the ground can only do so much. Couldn't stop a 9/11 style attack from the air, for instance.

Undisclosed and well guarded locations, video conference style?
I'd be happier with that.

[bucolic_frolic]

8. I would guess

the roots are wide and deep, and will require a lot of personnel to corral.

[ancianita]

9. Twitter found that multiple dates for further "armed protests" were planned.

Link to tweet

[Bernardo de La Paz]

10. Add the 19th and 20th to the 17th

[ancianita]

11. Yep. They've read that they outnumber and outgun the military, so they're ready.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

18. Jan 17th is part of the reason Twitter banned tRump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/09/trump-twitter-protests/

Twitter warns of new violence to come, brewing again on social media, as reason for Trump ban
New research report, meanwhile, details planned events in Washington, Pittsburgh and every state capital

“Plans for future armed protests have already begun proliferating on and off-Twitter, including a proposed secondary attack on the US Capitol and state capitol buildings on January 17, 2021,” Twitter’s announcement said, noting two recent Trump tweets it said were “likely to inspire others to replicate the violent acts that took place on January 6, 2021.”

Include Silicon Valley, server farms, and media company centers.

Also add trouble brewing for Jan 19 and 20.

[ancianita]

19. Absolutely.

And yes, err on the side of total net shutdown.

This is a real and present national security threat, and all of Silicon Valley should do their part.

[olegramps]

46. Do you or anyone here think that the FBI's investigation may stop many to think twice?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

49. Yes. I am glad to see them moving quickly and getting headlines. . . . nt

[Bengus81]

12. They pull the same shit again then GUN them down....

Police are being sent from everywhere. There are 50 going there from Wichita.

[black-bear]

15. Inauguration Security

Nothing scares these white supremacy punks like a black man with a gun. Let armed Black Panther Members provided security for Biden's inauguration, everything will go peacefully.

[Chemisse]

28. Umm. That didn't work out so well when the Rolling Stones tried it.

Although a shoot out with music fans is a little different from a shoot out with armed terrorists, so maybe it's worth a try!

[Codifer]

32. I thought that

the Stones hired the hell's angels for security... not the Black Panthers.

I am probably wrong.

edit to add: I am thinking of Altamont.

[BlueIdaho]

38. Correct

It was NOT the Black Panthers, it was Hell’s Angels and it was Altamont.

[Chemisse]

48. Ahhh, you are totally right - LOL!

The brain gets rusty over time, it seems.

[Lonestarblue]

16. The FBI most likely has the names of a lot of these people.

Those names should be given to the airlines so they can alert law enforcement to meet their flights. Since most of these people likely participated in Wednesday’s attack, arrest then immediately on suspicion of having committed that crime.

That doesn’t prevent those traveling by car, but it might help cut the number of idiots descending on DC.

[olegramps]

17. They should be shown on local and national television along with city and address.

These people are a threat to every decent law obeying citizen who could be subjected to their mindless, conspiracy fueled warped mind inflamed violence. What is to stop them from attacking anyone who they suspect of being a (gasp) commie liberal. i.e., registered democrat or independent.

[ancianita]

20. Yes.

The FBI list is on a no-fly list. And all roads into DC should be checkpoints, making immediate arrests from the 3-letter agencies' domestic terrorist list.

Every single day starting yesterday.

[a la izquierda]

40. If they can do this with football hooligans...

they should be able to do it with terrorists.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3817579.stm
I'm pretty sure this also happened in US airports during the '94 World Cup.

[duhneece]

21. Including Cowboys for Trump, DUer duhneece's County Commissioner

Couy Griffin calls for 'blood running from the building...', "only good Democrat is Dead Democrat" and "...go back to Africa..."...and he was banned from our local Mescalero Apache Indian Reservation.
https://abq.news/2021/01/breaking-cowboys-for-trump-leader-calls-for-new-rally-with-blood-running-from-the-building/?fbclid=IwAR0rwhewdjdVikyeWtIU1hgJjuVj8JC-nQblvv32lKhwhbmz72eKcloeJxc

[jmowreader]

23. They want war? Fine.

The government has machine guns, mortars, howitzers, 500-pound laser-guided bombs, Apaches, A-10s, and a law called the Insurrection Act that empowers the military to shut this shit down in a right hurry. It's a very small, very noisy minority who wants this, and the rest of the country is sickened by them. None of them will be missed.

[cntrfthrs]

33. bravo...

[BlueIdaho]

39. I suspect the rules of engagement

Will be quite liberal. See a red hat - shoot a red hat.

[Lord Ludd]

31. "We will storm the government buildings, kill cops, kill...kill...

and demand a recount."

Hard to demand a recount (or much of anything else) when you're either incarcerated or dead.

[olegramps]

42. I really pray for Biden's safety. These extremists are totally brainwashed and dangerous.

These idiots have been convinced that they are true patriots and that they are the protectors of the nation. I hope that every damn one of them is prosecuted to the full extent of the law regardless of their age or physical condition. There has to be some way to protect these idiots from the propaganda that the swallow 24/7. They actually believe these ridiculous conspiracies that have to be discredited someway.

[Bluethroughu]

47. Mother fucking terrorists

Round these fuckers up with the god damn tanks you rolled on BLM with peace signs! Or is the military and police departments as a whole active participants in this insurrection.

If they have mother fuckin traitors in their ranks, lock them up today! We'll get around to trail after we pick up the rest of the fucking traitors.

The men in my family died fighting the fucking Nazis for this country, and it fucked up everybody for generations. Round these traitors up, I don't give a shit who they are or what they have...they should be behind bars now!

The time is now, if you saw something to say something.
.

[Liberalgso]

51. The sinister reality will be revealed

I think once the investigation reveals the truth, its going to make the Watergate break in signed off by Nixon look like a misdemeanor.

There is no way the events of Wednesday could not have happened without it being an inside job. The question is to what level this was signed off on. The "rally" was advertised for days with people saying they were going to bring guns. Yet there was very little police presence. This reminds me of the "Greensboro Massacre" in 1979 which made national news at the time. There was a protest in Greensboro, North Carolina on November 3, 1979. The Ku Klux Klan and the American Nazi Party had planned a drive thru to counter the protest. The city knew they were coming but deliberately made sure there were no police there. The event resulted in shots being fired and deaths of the protestors. The shootings were all recorded on film.

The events of The Capitol riots are similar to what happened in Greensboro in 1979. I personally believe that Trump signed off on there being limited police presence and gave marching orders. The Capitol police chief was in on it and the result was Capitol police opening gates, letting MAGA rioters in and giving them directions to congress person's offices which their location would not be known if they weren't told where to go. More and more information is coming out as to how elaborate this plan was. There were plans to assassinate both Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi. They were also looking for the ballots to prevent the certificate of Joe Biden as the next president.

Once this finally comes to light in the hearings, anyone who still supports Donald Trump needs help

[orangecrush]

52. +1

[BlueWavePsych]

54. MAGA Akbar!

[BlueIdaho]

57. So they want to kill everyone in sight and THEN demand a recount?

Bug Fucking Nutty.

[reggaehead]

59. Last time there was a million Magat March

Dozens showed up.