Trump not allowed into Scotland to escape Biden inauguration, Sturgeon warns

[sabra]

Source: Independent UK

Donald Trump will not be allowed to visit Scotland to play golf during Joe Biden's inauguration, Nicola Sturgeon has said.

The US president, who was overwhelmingly defeated in November's election, is reportedly considering travelling to his Turnberry golf resort to avoid Mr Biden being sworn into office.

But Scotland's first minister stressed it is illegal to travel in or out of the country without a valid reason and said: "Coming to play golf is not what I would consider to be an essential purpose."

...

But Prestwick Airport has been told to expect the arrival of a US military Boeing 757 aircraft previously used by Mr Trump on 19 January, according to the Sunday Post.



Read more: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/trump-biden-inauguration-scotland-sturgeon-lockdown-b1782602.html

[nykym]

1. Well if he somehow gets to go

Scotland should have him quarantine at the airport upon his arrival.
No golf for you.

[RKP5637]

3. Ha, yeah, lock him up in quarantine!!!!! n/t

[RKP5637]

2. Good, Trump is/was not president of earth! n/t

[bigworld]

4. Assuming he'll just pay the fine

or plead diplomatic immunity or something. Be interesting to see what happens! But the Scots don't mess around.

[Aristus]

11. After the 20th, he'll have no diplomatic credentials of any kind.

If he shows up on the 19th, Scotland can hold him for 24 hours on quarantine, then once his official powers have expired, they can do anything they want with him, including extradite him to the US.

[The Mouth]

49. Send him to Putin

Maybe with the understanding that there will be a few sweet foreign trade deals if he falls out of window shortly thereafter.

[jaxexpat]

67. Do they still do public floggings in Scotland?

How about a week (or two) of stock and pillory exhibition in the town square? If we can't count on Scotland, where are we as a civilization?

He's bought off only a few 'Englishers' there. In the highlands, ancestral hoome u' ma' kith and kin, he's newn as a behd lad. Many, I expect, would applaud and donate (at a reasonable price, of course) a few "offish" vegetables for throwing. Would make great TV, too. Especially if they paint up in blue! Expect it to make BBC 4, at least.

[paleotn]

71. Hung, drawn and quartered....

And his "quarters" sent back to the US as a warning.

[muriel_volestrangler]

74. I think 'the branks' is the solution

In the parish report of Langholm, County of Dumfries, you can find a description of branks. “This was an instrument of punishment kept by the chief magistrate, for restraining the tongue. The branks was in the form of a head-piece, that opens and incloses the head of the culprit,–while an iron, sharp as a chisel, enters the mouth and subdues the more dreadful weapon within. Dr Plot, the learned historian of Staffordshire, has given a minute description and figure of this instrument; and adds, that he looks upon it ” as much to be preferred to the ducking-stool, which not only endangers the health of the party, but also gives the tongue liberty ‘twixt every dip, to neither of which this is at all liable.” When husbands unfortunately happened to have scolding wives, they subjected the heads of the offenders to this instrument, and led them through the town exposed to the ridicule of the people”. (NSA, Vol. IV, 1845, p. 421)

http://statacc.blogs.edina.ac.uk/2019/02/20/crime-and-punishment-in-late-18th-early-19th-century-scotland-types-of-punishment/

That also says 'Jougs are “an instrument of punishment or public ignominy consisting of a hinged iron collar attached by a chain to a wall or post and locked round the neck of the offender”'.

[certainot]

47. damn, i was hoping he'd be gone

[AKing]

5. Losses At Trump's Scottish Golf Courses Top An Astonishing $75 Million

The latest Trump Organization filings reporting a $4.6 million annual loss at the president’s two Scottish golf resorts boost the total red ink for the courses over eight years to an eye-popping $75 million.

The filings covering 2019 don’t reflect the tumult of 2020. Eric Trump, the director of the Scottish courses, warned that the COVID-19 pandemic and Brexit — which the president has always supported — may take a further bite out of revenues.

The unprofitable properties have been hemorrhaging money for years. Trump International Golf Club Scotland Ltd., which operates Donald Trump’s course in Aberdeenshire, reported a net loss of $1.5 million for 2019 after losing $1.4 million the previous year, according to a filing with Britain’s Companies House registry. The total debt for the club, which opened in 2012, is more than $16 million, the London Times has reported.

Trump Turnberry in Ayrshire reported a $3.1 million loss in 2019 — despite hundreds of thousands of dollars paid by the U.S. government for lodging Secret Service agents and other costs, the Scotsman noted. Turnberry owes debt of more than $61 million.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-scottish-golf-resorts-61-million-loss_n_5ff3bcb9c5b6ec8ae0b53917?ncid=NEWSSTAND0001

[Wicked Blue]

14. Does he owe taxes to Scotland?

I hope so

[JohnnyRingo]

25. Maybe he's trying to offset that loss.

One last chance to drag along half the Secret Service, Cabinet members and their staff, and have them stay at the hotel at a "special new year rate". Altogether, no more than $80mil. hahaha

Meant to be funny, but I've learned nothing is ridiculous anymore.

[IsItJustMe]

66. Isn't that the truth. Nothing is ridiculous anymore.

The Scotts already know this guy and his cronies are super spreaders. They don't want that craziness going on in their country. They got enough problems dealing with Covid and London. That's all they would need. The Scotts need a break too.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

61. Yep a real financial wizkid that Trump

[ffr]

6. Maybe Mexico will take him?

We'll pay for his one-way ticket.

[Mme. Defarge]

7. Don't they owe him a favor

for not getting a bill for Trump’s wall?

[Lucky Luciano]

17. I think it's high time for another Vicente Fox video.

[SergeStorms]

18. Only if Mexico builds a wall...

to make sure he can't get back into the U.S. We'll pay for the wall - every penny - including construction costs.

[okaawhatever]

46. I'll buy him a ladder to get over that wall he built. nt

[onetexan]

8. Good for PM Sturgeon!! A man without a home..

NY doesn't want him. His neighbors @mara lago don't want him. Maybe the russians w/ take him.

[SmartVoter22]

9. After oath, Biden should ground all US aircraft...

before he makes his Inaugural speech.

Every aircraft would then go to the nearest US airport awaiting future orders.
Wherever that may land Trump, have the Secret Service get there, with a nice Chevy Suburban and drive him to Palm Beach.

Can Trump sit in a car for hours on end?

"Are we there yet?"
"Are we there yet?"
" Did I win yet?"
"I have to pee."
"Are we there yet?"

[Vdizzle]

42. He wears diapers. So the pee thing he's got covered.

[Captain Zero]

43. Maybe, because we HAVE TO GET THE FOOTBALL BACK from the asshole

All Trumps' plans for flying hither and yon, and the football stays with him until noon.
We don't need it halfway across the Atlantic either.

This is just more uncooperativeness with orderly transition.
trump's an Ass.

[COL Mustard]

62. Cancel The Existing Codes And Issue New Ones

He can even keep the briefcase as a nice parting grift.

[IADEMO2004]

10. Trump signed an executive order keeping Guantanamo Bay detention camp open indefinitely!!!

Just Saying

[Borderer]

12. I'd like to think he would be permanently banned from the UK

Although I won't hold my breath, I would love to think that the UK Government would add him to the list of undesirables banned from entering the UK for having "engaged in unacceptable behaviour". If talk-radio wingnuts like Michael Savage are bad enough to qualify, then an actual threat to world peace surely ought to make the list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_banned_from_entering_the_United_Kingdom

Probably best to wait until the last moment though, so as to avoid the risk of retaliation...

[Wicked Blue]

16. The UK has banned quite a few neo-Nazis and right-wingers accoring to the list

so there would certainly be precedent for banning an ex-president.

[LizBeth]

13. I was wondering if this was going to hold against Trump. Ha ha

[twodogsbarking]

15. It will be interesting

to see how this plays out. I have Scottish ancestors. They were tall people with many of the men over 6.5 feet; about 2 meters for the sensible parts of the world.

[Miguelito Loveless]

19. I tweeted Sturgeon yesterday

and asked her if she was going to let Trump in during the lockdown. Probably a lot of others did too, but I would like to think it was my prodding.

[riversedge]

38. must be nice to be a person with upper connections.

[BlueWavePsych]

20. Hilarious!

[left-of-center2012]

21. What will Scotland do if he flies in anyway?

[yellowcanine]

31. Refuel the plane and send it back.

[mwooldri]

32. Quarantine the plane for 14 days. On the tarmac.

Then perhaps allow it to be sent back

[ancianita]

52. Sounds interesting, even if it's doubtful they'd do that. Still...

[ancianita]

53. Furthermore, during quarantine, NY and GA can file their indictments, and with AG help, can

have FBI and/or federal marshals land at Prestwick, return AF1 sans occupant, who will be escorted to the FBI/federal marshals' plane and returned to the first appropriate jurisdiction, New York.

I'd LOVE to see that happen.

[EndlessWire]

78. Don't those pilots get any rest? n/t

[treestar]

73. Make an order of deportation

[ancianita]

22. How do they keep the plane from landing. How do they keep him from leaving the plane. Just sayin'.

[BlueWavePsych]

23. Could get interesting if it becomes an international incident.

https://www.nats.aero/ae-home/introduction-to-airspace/

[ancianita]

50. Wow, thanks for the cool stuff. But does it take into account who actually gets the last word on

this particular plane? Pilot? Scotland president? Trump? (since he's not civilian quite yet).
I read but might have missed something about that.

[SunSeeker]

24. He can't land if the airport control tower doesn't give him clearance to land.

[CaptainTruth]

37. They won't stop the plane from landing, it's USAF.

Prestwick airport has a contract with the US Air Force that allows USAF to use the airport & facilities. USAF planes land there to refuel on the way to/from the Middle East on a regular basis. I wouldn't be surprised if several did so over the next month, it's routine & the lockdown won't stop it. Everyone is focussed on this USAF plane because Trump might be on it.

If it's a typical refueling stop, no problem. However, if someone wants to leave the airport, wander the countryside, & maybe go to a golf course, that's when there's a problem.

[ancianita]

51. "if someone wants to leave the airport,wander the countryside,& maybe go to a golf course, that's"

why I asked.

Guess we'll have to wait to find out.

[muriel_volestrangler]

76. He can't walk far. Assuming the plane has a wheelchair, and some mechanism for getting it

and Trump to the ground without assistance from outside (an unfolding staircase, I suppose), it's going to be slow. Airport security would be able to reach them and surround them; and the US secret service is not going to draw their weapons just to allow Trump to break the health laws of a nation.

[BrightKnight]

81. I'm guessing the pilot would land in hot water. nt

[twodogsbarking]

26. I wonder if Iran

has offered to help Scotland?

[TNNurse]

27. I am imagining the movie where the plane flies around looking for somewhere to land.

And all U.S. airports blocking it. What country would take him in???

[BlueWavePsych]

30. Iran?

As Mr Trump leaves office on January 20, Iran hopes it will become easier to force him to face consequences for the killing of Mr Soleimani.

The chief justice of Iran Ebrahim Raisi, said: “Fortunately, Trump’s presidency has ended. But even if his term hadn’t ended, it would be unacceptable to say someone shouldn’t be accountable to law due to his administrative position.”

Ali Kadkhodaei, a spokesman for the Guardian Council which vets legislation and oversees elections in Iran, said that while it is difficult to pursue legal actions against Mr Trump while he’s head of state, “some international experts hold the view that after Trump’s presidency is over this might be possible".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-iran-arrest-warrant-interpol-b1782723.html

[DENVERPOPS]

80. They need to re-fuel in order

to continue on to their final destination: Moscow or Saudi Arabia..........

It would be funny if Scotland confiscated his plane right out from under him for payment of past due taxes...........LOL

Of course, if they truly don't want him to land, they need only park all kinds of machinery on the runways...........

[sarchasm]

28. "It" would probably land there anyway.

No doubt thinking "NO ONE WOULD EVER DARE DEFY ME!!"

At which point I'd hope the Scots would marshall a platoon a frog march him directly to prison.

I can dream can't I?

[KS Toronado]

29. Is there a way the New York Grand Jury could stop him from flying Jan 19th?

For being a possible flight risk?

[TNNurse]

45. I doubt it, since technically he is still in office.

[TheRickles]

58. And he hasn't been indicted (yet).

[infullview]

33. Just a waypoint on his way to Russia

[CaptainTruth]

40. +1

[TomSlick]

34. Trump would do well to take the Scottish First Minister at his word.

The motto of the Royal Regiment of Scotland is "Nemo Me Impune Lacessit" (Latin) "No One Provokes Me With Impunity." The Scottish national emblem is the thistle.

The Scots can be a prickly people.

[SpankMe]

35. It's interesting that Trump's booked a military 757 for the trip and not the VC-25A

If he's not taking 28000 or 29000, then that's a tacit admission that he's resigned himself to the loss.

[CaptainTruth]

41. I'm betting he was told 28000 & 29000 must be available for Biden on the 20th.

[snort]

36. Sure, I get it.

The President is going to hijack Air Force 1.

[MyMission]

39. He's trying to flee the US before the inauguration

To escape prosecution once he is no longer president. Running away.
He is a flight risk.

[Captain Zero]

48. Maybe Britain can send Trump & Assange back together?

the daily double !!

[Martin Eden]

44. We won't get to see Trump frog marched out of the Oval Office?

[NCjack]

54. By then, the Orange One will have evaded officers of the NY courts

seeking to serve subpoenas. Probably will hide out in a foreign country.

[Martin Eden]

57. Is he still in love with Kim?

And does North Korea have good golf courses?

[DesertRat]

55. His good buddy Kim might let him go to North Korea

[Hekate]

56. Wonderful

[twodogsbarking]

59. Trump is history. More Biden/Harris coverage

would be welcomed.

[Karma13612]

60. Here's how it might

Play out:

Trump was using the “golfing” excuse to cover up the real plan.
He will fly to Scotland.
There will be a private jet already waiting for him which he will board immediately. No golfing, no contact with the Scots.

The Private jet flys off to somewhere in the middle east.
I think MBS will be happy to harbor him for as long as he wants.
Betcha Melania is not going to accompany him.

Or some variation of this.

I know I will be wrong, but it’s fun to imagine.

The only thing I can’t account for is the nuclear football. Is there really only one of them? Or could there be a duplicate that would be activated for Biden back in DC, while Trump’s would become useless metal and electronics and chips, and codes. ??
And would the Secret Service return with the aircraft that got Trump to Scotland in the first place?

[FakeNoose]

63. Scotland is 5 hours ahead of Washington DC time

I'm sure that Chump has failed to factor time differences into his plans. He'll get there "before midnight" and find out that it's already long past midnight on Scottish time.

Just like Cinderella, his coach turns back into a pumpkin at midnight on January 20th.

[Major Nikon]

64. ...

[IsItJustMe]

65. God bless the Scots!!! You are my brothers and sisters forever.

LOL

There is a little justice in the world.

[brooklynite]

68. Not sure it's her call...

If he lands before noon, he's still President; might be up to Johnson to allow him in or not.

[nuxvomica]

69. He could just refuel and head to Moscow.

I don't think the 757 has the range to get there on one trip but they could do it with a stopover in Scotland.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

70. I'll just post a video of their Sea Captor missiles here.

Um, no reason.

[treestar]

72. Other countries have the right to control their borders too

Not just the US. Donnie thinks he can just tell a country that he's coming.

[CaptainTruth]

75. For reference, some recent US military flights through Prestwick:

As you can see it's a lot, & these are just Navy. USAF uses it too.


5 JAN: US Navy P-8A 169546 PP051 departed Prestwick at approx 0325z - Norwegian Sea mission https://t.co/HLbPvJDjMr

4 JAN: US Navy P-8A 169547 PK041 departed Keflavik at approx 1200z - Norwegian Sea mission then to Prestwick https://t.co/KQstBF2DhM

4 JAN: US Navy P-8A 169546 PP041 departed Prestwick at approx 0340z - Norwegian Sea mission https://t.co/IUazwqkskI

3 JAN: US Navy P-8A 168850 PP032 departed Prestwick at approx 2245z - Norwegian Sea mission https://t.co/LBIbE4Q4H8

3 JAN: US Navy P-8A 168850 PP031 departed Prestwick at approx 0350z - Norwegian Sea mission https://t.co/GcZ6aUDEOI

2 JAN: US Navy P-8A 169546 PP021 departed Prestwick at approx 0340z - Norwegian Sea mission https://t.co/doP1C8Xcbu

1 JAN: US Navy P-8A 168850 PP012 departed Prestwick at approx 2255z - Norwegian Sea mission https://t.co/yza9Uo0Dp0

1 JAN: US Navy P-8A 168850 PP011 departed Prestwick at approx 0355z - Norwegian Sea mission https://t.co/BTbuTcIH6l

[Cha]

77. Good on Scotland Not wanting

trump's grungy fascist ass there.

[Borderer]

79. Immigration is a UK matter, not a Scottish one.

Therefore any decision to let him in or not would be for Boris Johnson in London, not Nicola Sturgeon.

If it was a devolved matter the Scottish Government would doubtless relish the opportunity to tell him to get lost. The Conservatives in Westminster are more sympathetic to their fellow RWNJ, but even then I can't see them wanting the embarrassment, cost and covid-spreading protests which a Trump visit would occasion now that he is an irrelevant loser who they don't need to suck up to anymore.

In practical terms, he presumably can't just show up in other countries without their prior agreement whilst he is still a head of state. Aside from the significant issue of diplomatic protocol, the Secret Service surely wouldn't countenance him going abroad as POTUS (even with just a few hours remaining) without the usual colossal security operation co-ordinated with the host nation's law enforcement/intel community. The fact that Nicola Sturgeon (who's remit does include policing) is unaware of a planned visit suggests that any scenario involving him arriving in Scotland on the 19th is highly improbable.

[Denzil_DC]

82. However, COVID restrictions are a devolved matter, so do fall under Scotland's remit.

The practicalities of enforcing whatever countermeasures are a different matter. In the end, it would be up to Police Scotland to decide what action to take and how. On the 20th, Trump ceases to be president, which may have some bearing. At the very least, I'd expect a quarantine period to be enforced, both for Trump and his entourage.

I'm skeptical that Trump will make a visit, too. The alleged aerial surveillance of the Turnberry area that took place was a while ago, and quite a lot has changed since then. If a plane carrying him does land, it may just be a stopover. I think it's more likely he'll hole up somewhere in the US.