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Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:23 PM

Alaska Airlines is the first airline to ban emotional support animals

Source: Washington Post

By Shannon McMahon
December 30 at 11:57 AM

Alaska Airlines is the first U.S. carrier to ban emotional support animals on its flights following a Department of Transportation ruling that airlines will only be required to transport service dogs.

Beginning Jan. 11, the airline will allow only service dogs that are “specially trained” and will refuse transport to emotional support animals.

The DOT rule change came early this month following the agency’s decision to revise its Air Carrier Access legislation because passengers have for years been requesting airlines accept their “service” pigs, rabbits and peacocks. Until now, the department had not defined what constituted a service animal, and all emotional support animals were federally required to be permitted on planes.

In 2017, the trade group Airlines for America estimated that the number of emotional support animals traveling on commercial flights increased to 751,000, a sharp rise from the 481,000 seen the year before.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2020/12/30/alaska-airlines-emotional-support-animals/?itid=hp_travel

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Reply Alaska Airlines is the first airline to ban emotional support animals (Original post)
Judi Lynn Dec 2020 OP
groundloop Dec 2020 #1
jimfields33 Dec 2020 #2
ret5hd Dec 2020 #3
cstanleytech Dec 2020 #4
ret5hd Dec 2020 #41
sfstaxprep Dec 2020 #5
pnwmom Dec 2020 #7
sfstaxprep Dec 2020 #12
pnwmom Dec 2020 #21
musette_sf Dec 2020 #9
sfstaxprep Dec 2020 #11
Sgent Dec 2020 #15
pnwmom Dec 2020 #22
Drahthaardogs Dec 2020 #28
Rorey Dec 2020 #6
IthinkThereforeIAM Dec 2020 #46
Blue Owl Dec 2020 #8
Orrex Dec 2020 #23
Lasher Dec 2020 #50
DeminPennswoods Jan 2021 #67
TheDemsshouldhireme Dec 2020 #10
LeftInTX Dec 2020 #34
sfstaxprep Dec 2020 #13
Tarc Dec 2020 #47
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TuxedoKat Dec 2020 #62
LiberalFighter Dec 2020 #14
DemoTex Dec 2020 #16
George II Dec 2020 #27
MontanaMama Dec 2020 #32
Dem2theMax Dec 2020 #38
HubertHeaver Dec 2020 #53
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Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2020 #49
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marmar Dec 2020 #18
lunasun Dec 2020 #19
Dave Starsky Dec 2020 #20
Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2020 #24
Aristus Dec 2020 #25
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EllieBC Dec 2020 #29
LeftInTX Dec 2020 #35
EllieBC Dec 2020 #43
LeftInTX Dec 2020 #44
obamanut2012 Dec 2020 #30
Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #42
obamanut2012 Dec 2020 #64
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GulfCoast66 Dec 2020 #60
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McKim Dec 2020 #31
Dawson Leery Dec 2020 #33
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GulfCoast66 Dec 2020 #37
Initech Dec 2020 #40
greenjar_01 Dec 2020 #45
LeftInTX Dec 2020 #48
IronLionZion Dec 2020 #52
HubertHeaver Dec 2020 #54
Liberty Belle Dec 2020 #55
Withywindle Dec 2020 #56
truthisfreedom Dec 2020 #57
GoneOffShore Dec 2020 #58
GulfCoast66 Dec 2020 #61
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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:27 PM

1. Good..... all the Karens of the world have abused that loophole long enough.

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Response to groundloop (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:29 PM

2. Part of the give an inch, they take a mile.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:30 PM

3. They can take my emotional support snail...

when they pry it from my sticky slimy hands!!!

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:33 PM

4. "when they pry it from my sticky slimy hands!!!" Donald, is that you? "kidding"

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 09:34 PM

41. Donald's hands are WAY too small for this:

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:38 PM

5. You Realize They Have Essentially Banned Cats & Dogs

Unless it's a certified service animal, you can't travel with it any longer.

I have yet to take my small dog with me on a trip, but now it looks like that is no longer possible.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:45 PM

7. I don't think so. Small ones that fit in a carrier under the seat can still be brought along. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:17 PM

12. Nope

They are no longer allowed unless qualified as "Service Animals."

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Response to sfstaxprep (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:16 PM

21. Alaska itself says small pets are allowed in carriers under the seats. You think it's wrong?

Subject to limits on number of pets per plane, and excluding the winter holidays, small pets can be kept in carriers under the seat.

https://www.alaskaair.com/content/travel-info/policies/pets-traveling-with-pets

Carriers in cabin
The USDA and IATA "This indicates a link to an external site that may not follow the same accessibility or privacy policies as Alaska Airlines. By selecting a partner link you agree to share your data with these sites." have specific requirements.

Pets must be small enough to fit and stay comfortably in a kennel under the seat.

The following carrier sizes are accepted for travel in the cabin:

Kennel size chart for travel in cabin
Type Kennel size Dimensions (length x width x height)
Hard-sided 50 17" x 11" x 7.5"
Soft-sided 50 17" x 11" x 9.5"
To be accepted for travel, your pet carrier must:

Be within the listed dimensions above
Be clean and leak-proof with absorbent bedding made of material that is safe and non-toxic to the animal
Fully enclose the animal and be escape-proof
Have adequate air ventilation
Be free of tears, cracks, or breaks

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Response to sfstaxprep (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:52 PM

9. Wouldn't it go back to the previous rules

that I remember from when I used to fly with my cat? I believe the rule was that, excepting legitimate service animals, one to two pets were allowed per cabin based on the size of the plane, as long as the pet fit in an underseat carrier.

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Response to musette_sf (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:16 PM

11. No, It Forbids ALL Non-Service Animals

Cats & Dogs are no longer allowed, unless you can prove they are a "Service Animal."

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Response to sfstaxprep (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:28 PM

15. That's not what Alaska Airlines website

says. It says up to two animals can fly with you in a carrier, although you have to pay $100 each way.

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Response to musette_sf (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:16 PM

22. Yes. The person you're arguing with is wrong. n/t

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Response to sfstaxprep (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:49 PM

28. I've shipped hunting dogs all across the country

Climate controlled cargo is fine. I have brought dogs in from Germany and Spain too

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:41 PM

6. I hope this goes further than just airlines

It has gotten way out of hand in a lot of areas.

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Response to Rorey (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 10:54 PM

46. Yes it has...


... I have a friend who is hard of hearing, I myself am deaf without my cochlear implant speech processor, who has been bringing her untrained beagle/shepherd cross into Walmart, claiming it is her service dog, which it isn't. Just because she can. She thinks it is something to do with ADA that she can claim her dog is there to assist her.

I told my deaf friends that people abusing the privilege's will just make things worse. They agreed, it is not a trained, let alone, certified, service dog and it makes us all look bad.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:50 PM

8. I guess tRump can no longer bring Lindsey Graham with him

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:18 PM

23. we have a winnah!

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 11:29 PM

50. Hah!

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 1, 2021, 11:25 AM

67. Made me

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:13 PM

10. I say good also

Im a health inspector and Im sick and tired of people trying to bring them in restaurants. And anybody can go online and get some bogus certificate for their iguana. Needs to be a national standard/license for even a service animal.

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Response to TheDemsshouldhireme (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 08:46 PM

34. Iguana!!! ROFL.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:19 PM

13. This Applies To Cats & Dogs As Well

The airline said that starting Jan. 11, it would permit only service dogs that are trained to do work or perform tasks for people with disabilities.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/29/business/alaska-airlines-emotional-support-animals.html

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Response to sfstaxprep (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 11:03 PM

47. No, it does not, as you have been told repeatedly

The Emotional support nonsense is separate from actual pets.

https://www.alaskaair.com/content/travel-info/policies/pets-traveling-with-pets

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Response to sfstaxprep (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 11:34 PM

51. You are clearly wrong

Take my advice and just stand down.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 11:23 AM

62. Pets in Cabin are still allowed

in an approved carrier for a fee. They are in a separate category from emotional support aimals, who don't have to be in carrier but can be held in an owner's lap, and there is no charge to bring them, just the necessary paperwork stating they are emotional support animals.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:23 PM

14. If they need emotional support away from home...

use a blankie or teddy bear. I'm sure they can develop an attachment with inanimate objects. Just as some wear an object of a loved one that has passed. Or I believe some men have carried with them a reminder of someone or some thing.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:35 PM

16. My airline had a 1st class passenger show up with an emotional support pig .. nay, hog!

Not a little Vietnamese pot-bellied pig, but a hog. The woman showed up at the gate in Philly with the pig, for a five hour flight to Seattle. The captain (a friend of mine) of the Boeing 757 refused to allow the pig onboard the aircraft. The VP of Flight Operations got involved and ordered that the pig be carried in the 1st class section. The captain walked off the flight, but there was a reserve 757 captain in the crew room who agreed to fly the trip.

So off they went to Seattle, pig in 1st class and a full load of passengers. Somewhere over Wyoming the piggy's tummy started hurting, so he busted loose from his emotionally-needy handler and took a run down the entire length of the Boeing 757 center aisle. But the problem was, the pig shat from the front of the 1st class cabin to the very rearmost portion of coach class. And he shat again as he ran from the back of the aircraft to the front.

He shat on passengers. Passengers vomited. Passengers screamed. The pig shat some more. The airplane stank of pig shit and vomit.

Finally, Karen (it must have been Karen) got control of her support pig. But the passenger cabin of the flight was bedlam. Unwisely, the captain decided to continue to Seattle. I would have landed at the nearest suitable airport and ended that shit-show.

So the flight arrived in Seattle, and passengers began calling lawyers. Some were sick. Some were injured (minor). And the aircraft had to be removed from service for a time for cleaning and repair.

I can't remember what happened to the needy passenger and her pig.

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Response to DemoTex (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:44 PM

27. Wow. Even more interesting than the story is your descriptive language to present it. Well done!!!

I don't believe the pilot decided to continue to Seattle.

I've been around pigs, even healthy ones, and that stuff stinks to high heaven. Whew!

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Response to DemoTex (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 08:34 PM

32. I needed that laugh.

Thank you. I’m sure it wasn’t funny being in the middle of that fiasco, however.

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 09:15 PM

38. I laughed as well. Couldn't help it.

Sounded like a scene out of 'Airplane!'

Would not have wanted to be on that flight.
But I sure had a good laugh reading about it.

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #32)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 12:56 AM

53. On that flight,

Middle row not a desirable seat.

Aircraft needed to be taken out of service and re-configured for cargo. That smell never goes away.

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Response to DemoTex (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 09:24 PM

39. "Underworld"



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Response to DemoTex (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 11:21 PM

49. "shit-storm" - LOL If ever there was a "shit-storm," that was it! nt

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Response to DemoTex (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 07:25 AM

59. When pigs fly...

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:42 PM

17. Probably go back to the old way.

You can bring your cat or dog so long it fits in a carrier under the seat....but there will be an extra charge. Large animals, go into the luggage area....also for a fee.

People were using the support animal to get around the extra fee's. A true support animal should be an eye seeing dog for the blind, etc.

And if you ask me, if you are bringing your pet, that's harsh on the pet. Some of them do not do well in a pressurized cabin and can die. If I had to move cross country for a new job, I'd tell them don't bother flying me out there, I'll drive and stay at pet friendly hotels.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:47 PM

18. Good. It's gotten ridiculous.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:06 PM

19. Bunny small dog or cat a frog or lizard but some are way out there not sure how this became a thing

A lot of people say they are more behaved and quieter than babies and kids even drunk ass flyers
https://m.
But this horse is a service animal So it will still go on ALASKA or just dogs ?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:06 PM

20. There is no good thing offered that shitheels won't abuse...

To the point that it then has to be taken away from everybody.

Some people really do just want to see the world burn.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:19 PM

24. Good! Have seen too many stressed out animals in airports being dragged around by selfish

unfeeling people. Often looks like its the ANIMAL that most needs the emotional support!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:34 PM

25. I got hip to that scam ages ago.

I think I drafted maybe two or three "emotional support" letters for my patients before I realized what a scam it is.

If they are not trained and certified service animals, forget it...

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:38 PM

26. Maybe I'm missing something, but I never understood the concept of "support animals"

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 08:00 PM

29. So I can't bring my emotional support Komodo Dragon anymore?

It’s called therapy and meds, folks. Lots of us with anxiety and phobias fly and shop and do all sorts of things without an animal.

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Response to EllieBC (Reply #29)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 08:50 PM

35. My tiger was so well behaved!!! Why are they doing this to me???

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #35)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 10:32 PM

43. What if your emotional support tiger triggers

my whatever and I don’t have my Komodo dragon?!?!

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Response to EllieBC (Reply #43)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 10:47 PM

44. You can pry my tiger out of my cold bare hands!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 08:27 PM

30. I am hoping they've okayed service mini horses, too

They are legit, and some folks prefer them because they live longer than dogs. A colleague's aunt who is blind has a guide aka "Seeing Eye" mini horse named Biscuit, who is the successor to several guide dogs who crossed the Rainbow Bridge. Her aunt says Biscuit is even better than her guide dogs were.

The only issue with Biscuit is needing to have special horseshoes, and keeping people from touching him when he and her aunt are out walking.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #30)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 09:46 PM

42. Not just live longer -

But if your physical needs are for mobility support, very few dogs are physically capable of providing it.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #42)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 04:14 PM

64. Yes, that too

I should have mentioned that. It is amazing to see the videos of what the minis can do.

(how are you?)

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #64)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 05:24 PM

65. Ready for 2020 to be done.

Sarcoma was the icing on the 2020 cake.

Surgeries in the rear view mirror, possibly radiation ahead of me (pathology of the remnants they took out in surgery 2 bumped the grade up to grade 2). Still relatively low risk for metastasis - but no longer virtually zero.

I feel fine, aside from raw at the skin donor site - and immobile in my right forearm/hand while the graft heals. So the damage at this point is mostly emotional re potential long-term consequences.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 09:24 AM

60. I don't want to fly in a cabin with any horse.

In my younger years I spent a lot of time working with and riding them. They are without doubt the dumbest animals I have ever dealt with. Worse than cows. You want one as a pet or emotional support animal? Knock yourself out. But don’t subject me to flying with one.

Someone that needs a horse to be emotionally able to fly should not be flying.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #60)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 04:13 PM

63. They are service animals, not emotional support animals

As I said, a friend's relative has one as a guide "dog." They are very smart.

Literally the same as a guide dog or a seizure dog.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 08:32 PM

31. Good, Our Safety is More Important!

Good as a passenger, I resent that I may not get out of the plane in time in an emergency because of someone's "emotional support" animal going berserk if there is a problem. I was quite nervous once when the people behind me had a huge german shepard between me and the nearest exit.
Americans have gone way overboard about pets. I had a friend who flew to a flood emergency area to rescue....wait for it..........cats and dogs while people were still standing on their rooftops.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 08:45 PM

33. About time.

What an absurd concept. Untrained animals are a threat.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 08:53 PM

36. I want an emotional support grizzly bear

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 08:59 PM

37. Excellent. If a person needs a pony, turkey or untrained yap dog, not to mention a pig

In order to be able to fly, then they ought not be flying.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 09:27 PM

40. Good, should have happened a long time ago!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 10:54 PM

45. Good

Honestly, the whole thing is ridiculous. Service animals, fine.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Dec 30, 2020, 11:08 PM

48. Something good finally happened in 2020!!!!!! And it took until Dec 30th!!!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 12:40 AM

52. Just wait until someone brings their service snake on board

People have snuck big snakes onto planes several times in the US:



https://www.wideopenspaces.com/snakes-on-a-plane-2-alaskan-airline-gets-slithering-surprise/

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #52)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:00 AM

54. Being that it is Alaska Airlines,

I thought they were pre-empting the service grizzly bear. Hadn't seen one yet, didn't want to.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:31 AM

55. There is one issue with this;

devout Muslims don't have dogs as service animals, but can have miniature horses. I personally wouldn't want to have one on a plane due to the stench of horse shit, but there may be a religious freedom issue with not allowing those.

Also there are some quadriplegics who have monkeys as service animals because they can climb up to retrieve items from cupboards and so forth.

But I'm all for getting rid of the ridiculous stuff like "support" iguanas, peacocks, snakes etc.

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #55)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 02:31 AM

56. I think the horses wear diapers

You can get them for all sorts of animals.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 02:49 AM

57. Someone explain to me how I'm supposed to fly without my emotional support tarantula.

Seriously.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 05:19 AM

58. I have to have my emotional support door buzzard with me when I fly. Wearing his 'Merry Xmas' hat.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #58)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 09:28 AM

61. You can only bring him if all passengers get to ring him!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Jan 1, 2021, 02:25 AM

66. Several years ago, I told my GP...

About my occasional anxiety on planes, and he wrote me a script for Ativan. Hell of a lot easier to deal deal with than what I suppose a Shetland would be. I really only take them when the weather is bad, so out of about 30 trips a year, I need something only about 5-10 times.

Since then, I keep a few in my briefcase, although now, it’s generic Xanax.

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