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milestogo

(16,829 posts)
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 10:10 AM Dec 2020

Reports: Explosion rocks downtown Nashville

Source: Washington Post

NASHVILLE — News reports say emergency crews have responded to an explosion in downtown Nashville. Black smoke and flames were seen billowing from the area.

Buildings shook in the immediate area and beyond after a loud boom was heard early Christmas morning. Police and fire crews were on the scene.

The Metro Nashville Office of Emergency Management told Nashville television station WKRN that a parked recreational vehicle exploded and damaged several buildings. No injuries were immediately reported. The station also quoted officials as saying the explosion did not seem suspicious.

Buck McCoy, who lives near the area, posted videos on Facebook that show water pouring down the ceiling of his home. Alarms blare in the background and cries of people in great distress ring in the background. A fire is visible in the street outside. McCoy said the windows of his home were entirely blown out.




Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/reports-explosion-rocks-downtown-nashville/2020/12/25/8d2157fa-46b7-11eb-ac2a-3ac0f2b8ceeb_story.html

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Reports: Explosion rocks downtown Nashville (Original Post) milestogo Dec 2020 OP
quoted officials as saying....... MyOwnPeace Dec 2020 #1
"IF" they believe it is unsuspicious... ret5hd Dec 2020 #3
If you read through the linked article, wnylib Dec 2020 #74
No shit. I don't think RV's just blow up like that. I saw one burn down to the tires and we thought brewens Dec 2020 #4
If the propane was leaking and mixed with air in the correct ratio that's a fuel air bomb. TexasProgresive Dec 2020 #44
Depends on the cause to be honest. Some RVs these days have gas generators for example cstanleytech Dec 2020 #63
The RV could have been a meth lab and accidentally blew up from that Polybius Dec 2020 #71
CNN reporting that authorities are calling it intentional. nt mobeau69 Dec 2020 #16
CNN Mentioned and Speculated Several Times it Was The Left! McKim Dec 2020 #113
That pissed me off MustLoveBeagles Dec 2020 #125
Did they give any rationale for that line of thinking? Sapient Donkey Dec 2020 #129
It's being called intentional now. paleotn Dec 2020 #37
Domestic terrorists maybe? Just speculating. Nt raccoon Dec 2020 #2
My guess also n/t ewagner Dec 2020 #5
Nashville is 20-degrees F this morning .. DemoTex Dec 2020 #6
Damn .. DemoTex Dec 2020 #100
I hope no one is hurt Marthe48 Dec 2020 #7
It was pretty big - footage of the aftermath muriel_volestrangler Dec 2020 #8
That is a very large footprint. Not an Rv propane tank. mn9driver Dec 2020 #11
Not even a 100lb propane tank could do that much damage CanonRay Dec 2020 #26
The War on Christmas has entered a whole new phase. Ligyron Dec 2020 #59
HOLY SHIT orangecrush Dec 2020 #82
Could it be the RV was a mobile meth lab? Rollo Dec 2020 #9
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😅😅😅😁 annabanana Dec 2020 #12
Breaking 'really' Bad! nt babylonsister Dec 2020 #14
Reports: Explosion rocks downtown Nashville FelineOverlord Dec 2020 #10
Did you see Breaking Bad? jmowreader Dec 2020 #17
Did you see Breaking Bad? FelineOverlord Dec 2020 #20
Check YouTube jmowreader Dec 2020 #53
Skip most TV, but Breaking Bad is truly amazing. I was hooked after season 1 Ep 6: Lucky Luciano Dec 2020 #81
The police just said it was intentional Aerator Dec 2020 #13
"An intentional act" -- police and FD were aware *before* the explosion occurred -- more from local eppur_se_muova Dec 2020 #15
The target was undoubtedly the AT&T communications equipment building across from the Melting Pot Klaralven Dec 2020 #35
"undoubtedly"? Seems like a premature judgment. onenote Dec 2020 #48
The one side of the street is two comm buildings and a parking ramp Klaralven Dec 2020 #54
studied the map a bit; the AT&T tower (aka Batman Building) is at 3rd &Commerce yellowdogintexas Dec 2020 #124
If you go to "the melting pot, nashville, tn" on google maps you'll see the explosion location mark Klaralven Dec 2020 #126
This means the explosion was caught on the patrol car's dashcam. denbot Dec 2020 #115
Sounds like Vanilla ISIS from the Trump Caliphate dalton99a Dec 2020 #18
That's what my money is on Major Nikon Dec 2020 #39
Yep. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2020 #68
Wouldn't surprise me if so. Sapient Donkey Dec 2020 #127
I hate to have to think this way... jmowreader Dec 2020 #19
Maybe like mcveigh, nichols.... Tikki Dec 2020 #21
Almost certainly. joshcryer Dec 2020 #49
And Trump's FBI will be investigating. Good luck. jalan48 Dec 2020 #22
WaPo update - Police say "intentional" BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #23
Local news coverage here JHB Dec 2020 #24
Dump crazies get their wish ouija Dec 2020 #25
That's where my thoughts went to bucolic_frolic Dec 2020 #28
That is pure bullshit, dware Dec 2020 #45
Agreed DENVERPOPS Dec 2020 #64
I really don't attach much to them being out of town, dware Dec 2020 #69
that of course won't stop him from milking it for all the attention he can get yellowdogintexas Dec 2020 #120
He'll grift to the end. dware Dec 2020 #138
Of course that wouldn't stop some Trump cult members from thinking it would help Trump LiberalLovinLug Dec 2020 #89
Oh I agree with what you say, dware Dec 2020 #111
I don't think it's RW or Antifia Polybius Dec 2020 #73
I doubt it would be Antifa. wnylib Dec 2020 #88
I remember sometime in the liberalhistorian Dec 2020 #99
I saw another DU thread that said wnylib Dec 2020 #106
Go on greenjar_01 Dec 2020 #101
I'm hoping it wasn't on purpose, but that doesn't seem to be case based on what they're saying Sapient Donkey Dec 2020 #128
Wow! hope some of it is on cameras in the area BEFORE bluestarone Dec 2020 #27
Police and fire now saying they believe it was intentional. mn9driver Dec 2020 #29
I suspect anti-masker blew it up with no intent to kill anyone. joshcryer Dec 2020 #52
Why this location, though, if anti-maskers? Mike 03 Dec 2020 #77
Tallest building in Nashville, perhaps? MustBeTheBooz Dec 2020 #80
Hooters joshcryer Dec 2020 #90
Sons of Blooming Onions won't stand for Hooters shut down! greenjar_01 Dec 2020 #104
Umm.. yeah, it's about the wings.. That's the ticket.. denbot Dec 2020 #116
fertilizer DENVERPOPS Dec 2020 #55
McVeigh was able to do more damage wnylib Dec 2020 #91
The truck used in the OKC bombing was parked on the street. Make7 Dec 2020 #107
I thought it was parked in a wnylib Dec 2020 #108
The fact that car/truck bombs even exist in this world is not an inspiring commentary on humanity. Make7 Dec 2020 #112
I wondered DENVERPOPS Dec 2020 #133
He and Nichols DENVERPOPS Dec 2020 #132
Thanks. Another poster also corrected me. wnylib Dec 2020 #134
Fertilizer is the basis for high explosives burrowowl Dec 2020 #137
The feds have been targeting right wing terrorist cells for months. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2020 #30
WKRN reports FBI press conference soon about this event Ramsey Barner Dec 2020 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Ramsey Barner Dec 2020 #36
FBI press conference at 10:45 CST Ramsey Barner Dec 2020 #40
In the Arts District. ChazInAz Dec 2020 #32
An RV. Iggo Dec 2020 #33
Maybe a deranged anti-masker upset about getting thrown out of a Roisin Ni Fiachra Dec 2020 #34
yup. that sort is askeert of the artists. mopinko Dec 2020 #38
Or some idiot asshole DENVERPOPS Dec 2020 #66
Wow! xxqqqzme Dec 2020 #41
Seems like a Qanon or pRoud bOuys type with McVeigh aspirations. Ford_Prefect Dec 2020 #42
My money's on Qanon. They have a conspiracy theory that G5 is causing virus. sinkingfeeling Dec 2020 #57
Either that or the Bugaloo crowd who seem disposed to violence on this scale. Ford_Prefect Dec 2020 #84
Somebody called in shots but wnylib Dec 2020 #94
On Christmas morning. That says something important JohnnyRingo Dec 2020 #43
Some indication that the target was first responders. onenote Dec 2020 #51
This occurred to me as well. intheflow Dec 2020 #93
Is this the War on Christmas we've heard so much about? Ford_Prefect Dec 2020 #98
Soon to come: JohnnyRingo Dec 2020 #114
Police have said that they were alerted by a suspicious vehicle Enoki33 Dec 2020 #46
Maybe someone who hates country music? Archae Dec 2020 #47
Too many Holly Jolly Dolly Christmases? Klaralven Dec 2020 #56
My money is on the Boogaloo Boys. PatrickforO Dec 2020 #50
Me too. maddogesq Dec 2020 #58
Normally I would agree, but because it's Christmas I'm suspicious Polybius Dec 2020 #75
Or Cheeto, trying to give himself an excuse to declare his beloved Martial Law sandensea Dec 2020 #92
It's in TN, FFS. Lock him up. Dec 2020 #105
No shortage of local extremist elements willing to carry such a thing out, no doubt about it sandensea Dec 2020 #110
One of the proud boys burned down the Nashville's old courthouse. denbot Dec 2020 #117
"Ma. Ma! I want mah PA!" sandensea Dec 2020 #118
Nashville also has the largest Kurdish community in the US something like 10000 yellowdogintexas Dec 2020 #119
ISIS would choose a larger, more wnylib Dec 2020 #95
if it was government they wanted to go after, the entire state government is yellowdogintexas Dec 2020 #121
Good points. So perhaps someone wnylib Dec 2020 #131
Propane can explode with incredible force. BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #60
WKRN and security videos show much larger flash and blast than a common propane tank would produce. Ford_Prefect Dec 2020 #103
I heard the explosion on the eastern outskirt of the county. BMW2020RT Dec 2020 #61
Shots were fired before the explosion dalton99a Dec 2020 #62
If true this is a crucial bit of information. Mike 03 Dec 2020 #78
Another article linked in the OP wnylib Dec 2020 #96
Witness who called gunshots in said her and her husband think... moriah Dec 2020 #139
Thanks. By now, we know about wnylib Dec 2020 #140
Car bomb? What fresh hell is this? nt Hekate Dec 2020 #65
My Guesses LPBBEAR Dec 2020 #67
You left out "Trump will pardon them" BamaRefugee Dec 2020 #83
Well of course... LPBBEAR Dec 2020 #85
And issue an executive order for their faces to be on coins, stamps and paper money. BamaRefugee Dec 2020 #87
Analyst on CNN mentioned bucolic_frolic Dec 2020 #70
This!!! Ford_Prefect Dec 2020 #86
WinnebagoBOOM! Trump will pardon them all. They'll be RWNJ HEROES. BamaRefugee Dec 2020 #72
the "terrorist" seems to have something against the row of trees as he killed the hell out of them yaesu Dec 2020 #76
There has to be camera's in the the area somewhere.............. Bengus81 Dec 2020 #79
That's what I'm thinking. wnylib Dec 2020 #97
This breaks my heart. I've walked that road many times for many years. Tom Yossarian Joad Dec 2020 #102
as have I. I love downtown Nashville (almost as much as I love downtown Ft Worth) yellowdogintexas Dec 2020 #122
They knocked out 911 orangecrush Dec 2020 #109
I just saw a list of the 911 impact. yellowdogintexas Dec 2020 #123
The news on this orangecrush Dec 2020 #130
If their goal was to knock out cell communication, it was probably a robbery. Calista241 Dec 2020 #135
Very strange. orangecrush Dec 2020 #136
I feel sad for all the familys of emergency personnel DENVERPOPS Dec 2020 #141

MyOwnPeace

(16,917 posts)
1. quoted officials as saying.......
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 10:15 AM
Dec 2020
"the explosion did not seem suspicious."

WTF!!!!!

How could it be anything but!?!?!

wnylib

(21,338 posts)
74. If you read through the linked article,
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 01:20 PM
Dec 2020

it is being called "deliberate" and the FBI is investigating.

brewens

(13,538 posts)
4. No shit. I don't think RV's just blow up like that. I saw one burn down to the tires and we thought
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 10:19 AM
Dec 2020

we saw a little flare from propane going up. That didn't even explode.

TexasProgresive

(12,155 posts)
44. If the propane was leaking and mixed with air in the correct ratio that's a fuel air bomb.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 12:16 PM
Dec 2020

The fire you saw probably overheated the tank so that the gas was expelled into the fire so it lit up like a big butane lighter, no explosion.

I had the same thing happen with a pickup truck in a hay field. The fire started underneath heating up the fuel tank which blew the cap of creating a flame plume some 75 feet long. No BANG just a whoosh.

I have no clue what happened but gas explosions happen and propane/butane are heavier than air settling in pockets.

cstanleytech

(26,230 posts)
63. Depends on the cause to be honest. Some RVs these days have gas generators for example
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 01:00 PM
Dec 2020

that people can use when parked so if it blew or as someone said if the propane tank blew then yes it could simply be an accidental explosion.
Besides if it was intentional the person or persons that did it would want to cause as much fear and terror as possible so they would have probably contacted the news agencies to claim ownership.

Polybius

(15,334 posts)
71. The RV could have been a meth lab and accidentally blew up from that
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 01:15 PM
Dec 2020

Maybe I've been watching too much Breaking Bad.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
113. CNN Mentioned and Speculated Several Times it Was The Left!
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 06:17 PM
Dec 2020

CNN has mentioned and speculated that it might be Leftists who set off the bomb. Beating people like me over the head and discrediting the Left.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
129. Did they give any rationale for that line of thinking?
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:56 PM
Dec 2020

I suppose it's possible, but given the current environment, that seems far less likely than other possibilities.

DemoTex

(25,390 posts)
6. Nashville is 20-degrees F this morning ..
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 10:22 AM
Dec 2020

My money is on propane, natural gas, or other heating fuel.

CanonRay

(14,084 posts)
26. Not even a 100lb propane tank could do that much damage
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:41 AM
Dec 2020

and most RVs carry two 20lb tanks. This was something else.

Ligyron

(7,616 posts)
59. The War on Christmas has entered a whole new phase.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 12:56 PM
Dec 2020

OTOH, in spite of my sick attempt at humor, I certainly hope no one was Killed or horribly injured by the blast.

FelineOverlord

(3,571 posts)
10. Reports: Explosion rocks downtown Nashville
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 10:44 AM
Dec 2020

First thing I thought was a gas leak, but then when I heard it was an exploding vehicle I feared a bomb.

Never thought of a possible meth lab in a vehicle. Even after all my years of watching Intervention I didn't know mobile meth labs existed.

EDIT: The police are now saying it was possibly intentional.


jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
17. Did you see Breaking Bad?
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:04 AM
Dec 2020

Walter started his meth-cooking career in a mobile meth lab - the RV he and Jesse would drive to the desert to cook in.

There’s also the Shake and Bake method that’s done in a Coke bottle. A lot of the people who use it put the bottle in the back seat of their cars.

FelineOverlord

(3,571 posts)
20. Did you see Breaking Bad?
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:12 AM
Dec 2020

I have to admit that I have never watched that show. I don't watch much television.

jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
53. Check YouTube
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 12:36 PM
Dec 2020

The Breaking Bad producers have a channel with a lot of clips from the show. It's pretty good. I think I'll get the "complete series" Blu-Ray set.

Lucky Luciano

(11,248 posts)
81. Skip most TV, but Breaking Bad is truly amazing. I was hooked after season 1 Ep 6:
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 01:40 PM
Dec 2020

Walter White was a high school chemistry teacher diagnosed with lung cancer. He was a true genius chemist though...and he used this skill to make and distribute the best crystal meth anyone could get to leave money to his family upon his death. He evolved from a soft spoken gentle teacher to ruthless kingpin. The show was filled with amazing characters and amazing character development. It gets better season after season - very rare for a show.

When his partner got robbed and beaten by a local kingpin early in his scheme, he came back to do this:



When he realized he was smarter than the competition he decided to keep going after he though about quitting:


When his boss was going to kill him and replace him with a cheaper chemist after Walter transferred his knowledge, Walter took care of his replacement. Walt’s wife thought he was in over his head...he makes it clear who he really is:


....and he becomes the full kingpin and demands respect:

Aerator

(189 posts)
13. The police just said it was intentional
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 10:54 AM
Dec 2020

They were on the way to investigate a suspicious vehicle when it exploded

eppur_se_muova

(36,247 posts)
15. "An intentional act" -- police and FD were aware *before* the explosion occurred -- more from local
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:02 AM
Dec 2020
https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2020/12/25/downtown-nashville-explosion-christmas/4044635001/

Massive downtown Nashville explosion an 'intentional act', police say
Yihyun Jeong
Brinley Hineman
Nashville Tennessean

Published 7:03 a.m. CT Dec. 25 2020 Updated 8:57a.m. CT Dec. 25, 2020

Nashville authorities believe an explosion that occurred in downtown Nashville early Christmas morning was an "intentional act" and sparked by a vehicle.

Police responded to reports of a suspicious vehicle parked outside the AT&T building just before 6 a.m. Upon arrival, police said an officer "had reason" to alert the department's hazardous devices unit, which was en route, when a "significant explosion" happened.

Three people were hospitalized with injuries, police said

Police and firefighters responded to an area near Second Avenue and Commerce Street about 6:45 a.m. Friday.

The fire department confirmed a bomb squad was on the scene with an active investigation by Metro police and federal agenices.

Police said the incident was linked to a vehicle parked outside the Melting Pot and investigators said an RV was involved.
 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
35. The target was undoubtedly the AT&T communications equipment building across from the Melting Pot
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 12:02 PM
Dec 2020

In Streetview, it has mostly blank windowless walls, typical of later generations of telephone equipment buildings.

It's probably OK, since they are relatively sturdy buildings designed to support lots of very heavy racks full of electronics.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
54. The one side of the street is two comm buildings and a parking ramp
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 12:37 PM
Dec 2020

The other side is lined with 3 and 4 story buildings with restaurants and bars on the street level and probably offices or apartments above.

Maybe the target was The Old Spaghetti Factory, but I doubt it...

yellowdogintexas

(22,231 posts)
124. studied the map a bit; the AT&T tower (aka Batman Building) is at 3rd &Commerce
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 10:43 PM
Dec 2020

but the bomb was at 2nd & Commerce. Wondering if there are other buildings in that area which are part of the communications structure? There are a number of 5 and 6 story buildings surrounding the tower. Could that be the AT&T switching center?

It's a scary as hell mess that's for certain.

Can't help but think this is some kind of a dry run for something bigger.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
126. If you go to "the melting pot, nashville, tn" on google maps you'll see the explosion location mark
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:31 PM
Dec 2020

Across 2nd Avenue from the Melting Pot is a tall building with a mostly windowless brick facade. If you use streetview to "walk" 2nd avenue there is one door marked AT%T, but it is mostly free of signs. Most telecom equipment buildings and data centers are unmarked that way.

So on the west side of the block of 2nd Avenue starting at Commerce Street there is first a parking ramp, then most of the block is the brick AT&T building, and then at the end nearest Church Street is another anonymous utilitarian looking building, which I think is an older telephone equipment building. It is a lot shorter than the rather tall newer equipment building that takes up most of the block.

The Batman Building is just an office space and probably contains nothing important to the functioning of the network. In fact, it is no longer owned by AT&T and AT&T just occupies leased space in it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT%26T_Building_(Nashville)

denbot

(9,898 posts)
115. This means the explosion was caught on the patrol car's dashcam.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 06:56 PM
Dec 2020

Hopefully the asshole who set it was recorded leaving the vehicle, unless he set it off arming the device.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
127. Wouldn't surprise me if so.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:47 PM
Dec 2020

I hope that's not the case, because I would much rather our country not be in a situation where we start having Trumpians blowing shit up because of some conspiracies the soon to be ex-president is spewing.

BumRushDaShow

(128,441 posts)
23. WaPo update - Police say "intentional"
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:27 AM
Dec 2020
Explosion rocks downtown Nashville in what police call ‘intentional’ act




By Derek Hawkins and Paulina Firozi
Dec. 25, 2020 at 10:17 a.m. EST


Police say an explosion in downtown Nashville early Christmas morning that shattered storefronts and left at least three people hospitalized with noncritical injuries “appears to have been an intentional act.”

Authorities were called to the area around 6 a.m. local time to respond to a report of a suspicious vehicle outside the AT&T office building, the tallest skyscraper in the state, Metro Nashville Police Department spokesperson Don Aaron said in a morning news conference.

After checking out the vehicle, the officer who responded “had reason to call our hazardous devices unit,” Aaron said.

The blast went off around 6:30 a.m. local time, according to police, smashing windows, signs and garage doors along a block in the city’s Arts District and sending a plume of bright orange flames into the sky.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/25/nashville-explosion-christmans/

ouija

(397 posts)
25. Dump crazies get their wish
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:39 AM
Dec 2020

RW violence gives Trump a platform to blame progressives and Antifa to roll with Martial Law and suspend the Constitution

bucolic_frolic

(43,044 posts)
28. That's where my thoughts went to
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:43 AM
Dec 2020

but it's a long way from actual suspicions yet. Let's see what investigators find.

Thank goodness no one killed, which sort of seems by design so early in the morning.

Kudos to the brave police checking out the scene prior. It was a risky place to be.

dware

(12,250 posts)
45. That is pure bullshit,
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 12:19 PM
Dec 2020

as long as civil authority and civil courts are still functioning, then Pissolini cannot legally impose Martial Law and the Military will not obey an illegal order and the courts would step in so quick it would make Pissolini's head spin.

DENVERPOPS

(8,789 posts)
64. Agreed
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 01:00 PM
Dec 2020

and the generals have stated that they WILL NOT get involved in a political situation......Does that mean they won't be activated to enforce martial law, or that if a whole big bunch of MAGATS slither into Washington D.C. they will not help if they riot????
I gotta tell you, if even a few thousand armed MAGATS demonstrate in D.C. there is no way in hell the Local Leos and others can have much of an effect to deter them.....

dware, do you think that Trump and Pence both getting the hell out of DC at this particular time is curious??????

dware

(12,250 posts)
69. I really don't attach much to them being out of town,
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 01:14 PM
Dec 2020

Pissolini being out of town golfing during the holiday's is typical Pissolini, and Pence, IMO, is pretty much trying divorcing himself from this train wreck, but with this Pres., who knows for sure, the one thing I do know with certainty, as long as the civil authorities and the civil courts are still functioning, then Pissolini cannot legally declare Martial Law and the Military will refuse to follow him off the cliff.

Merry Christmas to you and your family.

yellowdogintexas

(22,231 posts)
120. that of course won't stop him from milking it for all the attention he can get
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 10:12 PM
Dec 2020

and use it to encourage his cult followers. It will become part of his speil

dware

(12,250 posts)
138. He'll grift to the end.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 09:26 AM
Dec 2020

He'll milk it for all it's worth until his blockheaded followers finally wise up to the fact that he's a phony, has always been a phony, and will always be a phony.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,164 posts)
89. Of course that wouldn't stop some Trump cult members from thinking it would help Trump
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 02:27 PM
Dec 2020

They are not the sharpest knives. Try and make it look like AntiFa or BLM supporters. What better day for a "bomb n blame" on the godless anti-Christmas socialists?

dware

(12,250 posts)
111. Oh I agree with what you say,
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 06:04 PM
Dec 2020

but the Generals and the Admirals will see it for what it is and will not obey an order to implement Martial Law if the civil authorities and civil courts are still functioning, which, the last time I looked, they still are, and doing a pretty good job despite Pissolini's roadblocks.

I can imagine such a move by Pissolini would get shut down by the first judge that this came to before the ink even dried.

Polybius

(15,334 posts)
73. I don't think it's RW or Antifia
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 01:19 PM
Dec 2020

The fact that it happened on Christmas leads me to believe it's something else.

wnylib

(21,338 posts)
88. I doubt it would be Antifa.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 02:20 PM
Dec 2020

But it could be RWers. They might think that Christmas is a good day for a "righteous" cause and blame it on "Godless" lefties.

I don't know who else it would be. I think foreign terrorists would choose a bigger, more attention-getting target.

liberalhistorian

(20,814 posts)
99. I remember sometime in the
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 03:30 PM
Dec 2020

90's (can't remember the exact year) when an abortion clinic was bombed on Christmas day and the fundie jackwagons responsible for it proudly called it a "gift for Jesus on his birthday". I wouldn't put it past any of the RW cultists nutball groups to have pulled this on this day, maybe hoping to give their God Trump a "gift" to help along martial law and/or keep him in office or some such delusional shit they're so good at dreaming up or pulling out of their asses.

wnylib

(21,338 posts)
106. I saw another DU thread that said
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 04:01 PM
Dec 2020

RW extremists have announced that there will be several attacks on government offices and lawmakwers around the country unless Trump is given a second term.

But that doesn't fit an attack on the center of downtown Nashville, where there are only restaurants, some retail outfits, a few apartments, and an AT&T building.

I checked Huffpost. They said that people did hear some shots, which were reported to police. When police arrived, there was a recording blasting from the van that it would explode in 15 minutes. Police were evacuating the area when the bomb went off.

A statement of some sort, not intended to kill, unless they wanted to harm cops who arrived just before the explosion. Maybe this is meant to be a "kickoff" for the violence threatened if Trump doesn't get a second term. We'll know more as the investigation progresses.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
128. I'm hoping it wasn't on purpose, but that doesn't seem to be case based on what they're saying
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:55 PM
Dec 2020

If intentional, my first thoughts go toward some crazy trumpian right-winger. It could be some islamic stuff, but this doesn't seem like their style. I also don't see any extremist left groups doing this.

I could be totally be off and maybe it will turn out be the islamic leftist wing of the alt-right proudboys who were using it as a distraction so that they could rob a bank so they could buy a larger RV to convert into a meth lab, but I leaning toward this being a right-wing conspiracy nut who thinks that building was giving people 5G COVID cancer and turning their pet frogs gay.

bluestarone

(16,859 posts)
27. Wow! hope some of it is on cameras in the area BEFORE
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:41 AM
Dec 2020

The blast! Rump told the stand down BUT stand by! We'll hear more on this i'm sure!

mn9driver

(4,419 posts)
29. Police and fire now saying they believe it was intentional.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:44 AM
Dec 2020

To my untrained eye it doesn’t look like a high explosive was used, so that implies something like fertilizer. Maybe.

The timing and location of the blast suggest that a high body count was not what these hypothetical bombers were looking for. It certainly looks like possible far-right terrorism at the moment. I’m guessing we will know who it was fairly quickly.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
52. I suspect anti-masker blew it up with no intent to kill anyone.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 12:33 PM
Dec 2020

Christmas was chosen because they knew no one would be there.

It was a trial run though for a full on government attack.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
77. Why this location, though, if anti-maskers?
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 01:29 PM
Dec 2020

Why AT&T?

Why not a more politically symbolic location?

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
90. Hooters
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 02:27 PM
Dec 2020

Heh

I don't know I am doubting myself now. There's a lot of plausible theories flying around out there.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
104. Sons of Blooming Onions won't stand for Hooters shut down!
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 03:39 PM
Dec 2020

Give us Original Recipe Atomic Wings, or give us Death!

DENVERPOPS

(8,789 posts)
55. fertilizer
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 12:37 PM
Dec 2020

is precisely what McVeigh used (ANFO) to bring down the Fed Center he bombed........

Do you remember what that building looked like after that fertilizer bomb???????

I am guessing a whole big bunch of ATF & FBI boys and girls are not going to spend Christmas day with their families....

wnylib

(21,338 posts)
91. McVeigh was able to do more damage
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 02:29 PM
Dec 2020

to the building because he parked the bomb under it.

This one was on the street. If it had detonated underneath the building, or closer to it, the building damage would have been worse.

I'm wondering if first responders were the targets. Before the explosion, somebody (bomber?) called in a complaint about shooting, but there wasn't any shooting. The bomb went off shortly after police arrived, but before the bomb squad got there.

wnylib

(21,338 posts)
108. I thought it was parked in a
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 05:03 PM
Dec 2020

ramp under the building. Maybe I mixed that up with the 1993 WTC bomb.

Make7

(8,543 posts)
112. The fact that car/truck bombs even exist in this world is not an inspiring commentary on humanity.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 06:12 PM
Dec 2020

I still recall Jon Stewart discussing on the Daily Show how common suicide/car/truck bombings were in Iraq and comparing that to the upheaval in American society when similar tragedies occur far less frequently.

DENVERPOPS

(8,789 posts)
133. I wondered
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 01:36 AM
Dec 2020

if you were thinking about the parking garage WTC bomb.

People in the know that I talked to mentioned that if that guy who set off the one in the WTC parking garage, put it in a different spot, it may well have brought down the WTC. The bomber simply didn't know the best place to park the van.

Interesting fact about the two students at Columbine. If their home made propane tank bomb had gone off as they planned, the death toll at Columbine would have been in the hundreds. The two high school kids, simply didn't know that you had to strip the insulation off the wires before you attached them to the terminals leading to the timer......Duh

burrowowl

(17,632 posts)
137. Fertilizer is the basis for high explosives
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 05:30 AM
Dec 2020

Chemical fertilizers were pushed after WW1 to maintain capacity for the next wars production of high explosives.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,867 posts)
30. The feds have been targeting right wing terrorist cells for months.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:45 AM
Dec 2020

It was only a matter of time. Obviously, this is jumping to conclusions but they're the ones who have been threatening violence.

Response to Ramsey Barner (Reply #31)

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
34. Maybe a deranged anti-masker upset about getting thrown out of a
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 12:01 PM
Dec 2020

place of business for not wearing a mask?

Lots of videos of deranged anti-maskers going off the rails out there, I mean, geez, look at what those crazies did at the Oregon statehouse recently.

DENVERPOPS

(8,789 posts)
66. Or some idiot asshole
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 01:06 PM
Dec 2020

Believed that the ATT building was the headquarters for Hillary's Child Trafficking Ring????????????

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
41. Wow!
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 12:12 PM
Dec 2020

Last edited Fri Dec 25, 2020, 01:55 PM - Edit history (1)

Have an old high school friend who lives in Nashville now. Better check in with her.

They're fine. Woke them up though.

Ford_Prefect

(7,870 posts)
42. Seems like a Qanon or pRoud bOuys type with McVeigh aspirations.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 12:13 PM
Dec 2020

Nashville Police and Fire are reporting this as an intentional explosion of an RV size vehicle. This is far more damage than a gas tank or propane bottle. There are some buildings which sustained far more damage bordering on collapse. widespread damage is being reported in the area. The statements about windows broken rather understates the force and scale of the explosion. The photos show windows and doors ripped from their mountings, not merely cracked or shattered.

If you will recall recently there was a white terrorist plot to attack power stations on New Year's Day exposed in an un-intentional reveal of sealed investigation documents. This attack seems in line with that tactic and very typical of what such groups might get up to including means of delivery and location, especially in emulating McVeigh.

[link:https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/V3da_6moX41hIMvVs07xZg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTQ4OQ--/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/5ScFPk8ZqEf4uzztvA7Gdg--~B/aD05Nzg7dz0xOTIwO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/complex584/10487a30fd339d95427bbb9c4295b5bc|]

WKRN Channel 2 Nashville has more: https://www.wkrn.com/news/large-explosion-in-downtown-nashville/

Ford_Prefect

(7,870 posts)
84. Either that or the Bugaloo crowd who seem disposed to violence on this scale.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 02:04 PM
Dec 2020

My mis-spellings are purposeful as the correct names trigger internet counting in favor of those misanthropic idiots and their vengeful plots.

wnylib

(21,338 posts)
94. Somebody called in shots but
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 02:40 PM
Dec 2020

there weren't any and the bomb had not gone off yet. Looks like the bomber(s) might have wanted to target police or other responders.

JohnnyRingo

(18,618 posts)
43. On Christmas morning. That says something important
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 12:15 PM
Dec 2020

That something being that they probably didn't want to hurt many people since they knew businesses downtown would be closed and empty.

Maybe a disgruntled would be country star passed over for the CMHOF? Look for someone with a tattoo across their midriff that says "Redneck Life". Lookin' at you, Stapleton.

Just kidding. It'll be interesting to find out who takes credit or gets found out.

intheflow

(28,442 posts)
93. This occurred to me as well.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 02:39 PM
Dec 2020

This could be a far-left incident as easily as a far-right one. It was in a commercial district, which has connections in my brain to anticapitalist anarchists. (Remember the Battle of Seattle?) Or, if the first responders were the target, it frames Black people/Defund the Police/ACAB.

Of course, if I put on my finest tin hat, this was the far-right doing that framing, conflating the supposed War on Christmas with DtP/ACAB. Because if you think about it, ACAB is calling every cop a bastard, not every firefighter or paramedic. Because paramedics & fire fighters actually help people. IOW, the far left wouldn't be targeting all first responders.

JohnnyRingo

(18,618 posts)
114. Soon to come:
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 06:50 PM
Dec 2020

Christmas War Bonds.
Or maybe a War on Christmas scrap drive (catalytic convertors and Taj Mahal casino chips accepted).

O'Reilly's visage on the war bonds with money going to Trump's re-election campaign.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
46. Police have said that they were alerted by a suspicious vehicle
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 12:19 PM
Dec 2020

phone call, and that the bomb exploded while emergency experts were on their way. That seems to indicate anti government domestic terrorism. Maybe the bomb was timed for their arrival. Hope it was not a trial run. The FBI are very good at what they do, and they will eventually put the pieces together.

Archae

(46,301 posts)
47. Maybe someone who hates country music?
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 12:20 PM
Dec 2020


Seriously, it could be a bomb, or a gas explosion.
We don't know yet.

Some decades ago, at a campground I saw a large RV destroyed by a propane explosion.
Fortunately no one was hurt, but the RV was in pieces.

maddogesq

(1,245 posts)
58. Me too.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 12:56 PM
Dec 2020

What’s scary is that this appears to be a pro bomb rig that was controlled remotely. That’s indicative of folks with training...you know, like former military.

sandensea

(21,600 posts)
92. Or Cheeto, trying to give himself an excuse to declare his beloved Martial Law
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 02:33 PM
Dec 2020

I put nothing past that man.

sandensea

(21,600 posts)
110. No shortage of local extremist elements willing to carry such a thing out, no doubt about it
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 05:50 PM
Dec 2020

Nashville, as you know, is also a Democratic island in a sea of rural/small town Republican counties.

That no doubt figured in the decision.

Some beautiful Reconstruction-era architecture lost - but Thank God no one was killed.

yellowdogintexas

(22,231 posts)
119. Nashville also has the largest Kurdish community in the US something like 10000
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 09:21 PM
Dec 2020

in fact it is so diverse that over 100 nationalities are represented in the school system I assume the Kurdish community is not the only Islamic nation that is well represented.


wnylib

(21,338 posts)
95. ISIS would choose a larger, more
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 02:47 PM
Dec 2020

significant or attention getting target, wouldn't they?

I'm thinking more far right, anti government types targeting first responders and taunting FBI to show they can do it.

yellowdogintexas

(22,231 posts)
121. if it was government they wanted to go after, the entire state government is
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 10:23 PM
Dec 2020

a 15 minute walk away, and I believe the local Federal offices are in the downtown area

BobTheSubgenius

(11,559 posts)
60. Propane can explode with incredible force.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 12:58 PM
Dec 2020

A small tank went off inside a shipping container that a construction crew was using as an officebreak room. It woke us up, as you might imagine, and windows were shaking on our street, fully 5 blocks from the blast, with houses to buffer it.

When I went out later, I saw he container and was surprised at how damaged it was, although you couldn't see much because of all the police and FD activity.

When I returned later in the day, the site was much more visible, and it turned out that the damaged container I'd seen was NEXT to the one that exploded, which was peeled like a Mandarin orange.

That big, locking steel door? The explosion sent it across the building site, across the road and at least 100 feet into the park. It would have FLATTENED whoever had been unlucky enough to be in its path.

The only injury, because of the early hour of the event, was the ruptured eardrums of the guy who was there, opening the site for the day. He tried to go back to work once he was released from the hospital, but the company figured he'd had enough of a day and sent him home. He was expected to make a full recovery.

Ford_Prefect

(7,870 posts)
103. WKRN and security videos show much larger flash and blast than a common propane tank would produce.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 03:38 PM
Dec 2020

Whatever vehicle it was attached to or housed inside was blown into very small shrapnel and essentially vaporized at the point of detonation, scarring the buildings further down and up the block. One propane bottle might have ripped the bodywork apart but the chassis would remain in twisted form.

BMW2020RT

(139 posts)
61. I heard the explosion on the eastern outskirt of the county.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 12:58 PM
Dec 2020

My former home near downtown is about a mile away from the blast site.

dalton99a

(81,392 posts)
62. Shots were fired before the explosion
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 12:59 PM
Dec 2020
Foul play was not suspected at first, but Metro Nashville Police Department’s spokesperson, Don Aaron said police now believe the explosion was an intentional act. Shots were also fired at some point before the explosion.

https://www.wkrn.com/news/large-explosion-in-downtown-nashville/

wnylib

(21,338 posts)
96. Another article linked in the OP
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 02:52 PM
Dec 2020

says that there were reports of shots called in, but investigators saw no signs of shots having been fired. Maybe the shots report was intended to get responders to the site for the detonation?

moriah

(8,311 posts)
139. Witness who called gunshots in said her and her husband think...
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 10:49 AM
Dec 2020

.... looking back that they may have been part of the recording coming from the vehicle.



Her story has been evolving because everyone and their mother has been interviewing her, but yeah this is the lady who says she is the one who called the shots in.

Her story suggests whoever did it very well may have started out with recordings of gunfire to get residents to call police, but it still seems pretty clear that they made extensive efforts to advertise there was a bomb -- and at least if they had the timer correctly aligned with the recording, gave *more* time after the "15... 14..." minute countdown change before detonation, while continuing until the end to say "get out now".

This very well could have played out differently -- it doesn't match the MO of McVeigh-esque domestic terrorists, ones who are actually angry at the government and don't care who they hurt. It also doesn't seem like they were angry at LE either -- a much smaller bomb and a similar recording of gunfire to lure LE there first, or a secondary detonation to hurt rescuers, or blaming it on "timing was bad" and deliberately detonating before announcement said it would, would have been more textbook if their intent was to harm LE but not residents.

To me the most plausible theories, given the incredibly limited information and still no confirmation if remains were inside the RV or not... well, the first is going to be easy enough for investigators to eliminate, and that's if an ex-employee of any of those businesses/AT&T decided to go out with a blast. Holidays drive many suicides, as does joblessness.

The second, harder to track down and potentially loony (but then again anyone doing this is loony) theory in my mind is some lunatic wanted to "help" LE by showing that LE was needed to deal with lunatics. And instead of actually "helping", they have taken firefighters who also usually serve as first responders away from a pandemic to have to inspect the structural integrity of several blocks of the city.

wnylib

(21,338 posts)
140. Thanks. By now, we know about
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 11:33 AM
Dec 2020

the shots on the recording, but did not know it earlier when posting.

LPBBEAR

(294 posts)
67. My Guesses
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 01:09 PM
Dec 2020

1. Shots fired call was meant to draw Law Enforcement into the area.
2. Timing of explosion meant to not cause massive loss of life except perhaps some Law Enforcement for publicity/sympathy purposes.
3. There may be a few more of these incidents around the country.
4. These incidents will turn out to be perpetrated by right wing terrorists in support of Trump.
5. Trump will use these incidents to try and declare martial law as he will blame Antifa and Leftists for the explosions.
6. Trump will attempt to use Martial Law to stay in power.

Basically Trumps "Reichstag Fire".

Its either this scenario or a war with Iran to keep the Orange Monster in power.

Time will tell how close I am.

bucolic_frolic

(43,044 posts)
70. Analyst on CNN mentioned
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 01:15 PM
Dec 2020

it's in front of an AT&T Building, and AT&T owns CNN.

So .. some whacko makes his stand against what he perceives to be the "fake news" companies?

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
76. the "terrorist" seems to have something against the row of trees as he killed the hell out of them
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 01:23 PM
Dec 2020

I'm thinking an incel with a mother "nature" complex.

wnylib

(21,338 posts)
97. That's what I'm thinking.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 02:57 PM
Dec 2020

Security cameras for the businesses in thecarea might have caught something.

yellowdogintexas

(22,231 posts)
122. as have I. I love downtown Nashville (almost as much as I love downtown Ft Worth)
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 10:26 PM
Dec 2020

Some of the destroyed buildings are Reconstruction era

It makes me very sad indeed

orangecrush

(19,409 posts)
109. They knocked out 911
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 05:19 PM
Dec 2020


And cell communications over a very wide area

Someone put a lot of time, planning and money into this.

Perhaps now we know where the money Trump has been milking his cult for is going.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
135. If their goal was to knock out cell communication, it was probably a robbery.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 02:15 AM
Dec 2020

Set off a bomb, get every cop within 250 miles to show up at 1 place, then rob whatever high value bank or whatever while the cops are literally looking the other way.

The 15 minute announcements basically ensured there wouldn’t be any civilians around to get murdered, but not a long enough time to get an EOD team on-site to defuse / destroy the bomb prior to detonation.

DENVERPOPS

(8,789 posts)
141. I feel sad for all the familys of emergency personnel
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 04:10 PM
Dec 2020

whose Christmas mornings celebrations were ruined over this. This kind of thing sets off alarms & cellphones across the city, state and nation.....it activates a pre-planned network of hundreds and hundreds of emergency personnel almost immediately, with hundreds and hundreds more to follow......

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