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Wed Dec 23, 2020, 01:02 PM

Giuliani told to preserve all records as lawyers for Dominion warn legal action is 'imminent'

Source: CNN

(CNN)A defamation law firm representing Dominion Voting Systems has sent letters to White House counsel Pat Cipollone and President Donald Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani instructing them to preserve all records related to the company at the center of Trump's conspiracy theories and warning Giuliani that legal action is "imminent."

Through two well-known defamation attorneys, Dominion Voting Systems sent letters to Cipollone and Giuliani Tuesday, demanding Giuliani stop making "defamatory claims against Dominion" and ensure there is "no confusion about your obligation to preserve and retain all documents relating to Dominion and your smear campaign against the company." The attorneys told Cipollone their preservation request is vast and includes conversations White House officials had with attorneys like Giuliani or Sidney Powell regarding Dominion.

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"With this letter you are on notice of your ongoing obligations to preserve documents related to Dominion's claims for defamation based on allegations that the company acted improperly during the November 2020 presidential election and somehow rigged the election in favor of President-Elect Joe Biden," the letter to Giuliani reads.

Trump's personal attorney must adhere to the preservation request as well as his "principals, agents, employees, partners, associates, paralegals, and subcontractors under your supervision." That also includes contact they had with Trump campaign staffers, Powell, Jenna Ellis and Lin Wood.


Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/23/politics/dominion-voting-trump-campaign-lawsuit-imminent/index.html

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Reply Giuliani told to preserve all records as lawyers for Dominion warn legal action is 'imminent' (Original post)
sabra Dec 2020 OP
Maeve Dec 2020 #1
11 Bravo Dec 2020 #32
soothsayer Dec 2020 #2
onetexan Dec 2020 #8
grumpyduck Dec 2020 #3
PJMcK Dec 2020 #4
bluestarone Dec 2020 #5
ace3csusm Dec 2020 #6
napi21 Dec 2020 #7
Yeehah Dec 2020 #31
PatrickforO Dec 2020 #9
SunSeeker Dec 2020 #10
JDC Dec 2020 #11
AZ8theist Dec 2020 #19
ancianita Dec 2020 #12
robbob Dec 2020 #13
ancianita Dec 2020 #16
Escurumbele Dec 2020 #20
mdbl Dec 2020 #26
Lock him up. Dec 2020 #21
EndlessWire Dec 2020 #22
denbot Dec 2020 #14
ancianita Dec 2020 #18
ace3csusm Dec 2020 #24
ancianita Dec 2020 #28
certainot Dec 2020 #15
MustBeTheBooz Dec 2020 #17
mdbl Dec 2020 #27
certainot Dec 2020 #34
LiberalLovinLug Dec 2020 #23
JohnnyRingo Dec 2020 #25
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2020 #29
Blue Owl Dec 2020 #30
Warpy Dec 2020 #33
Amaryllis Dec 2020 #35

Response to sabra (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 01:05 PM

1. Defamation, huh?

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Response to Maeve (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 06:59 PM

32. Defecation will follow right behind.

As Rudy, Trump, and the rest of the criminals sense the forthcoming disaster; many adult diapers will be filled.

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 01:11 PM

2. I'll be so happy if their lawsuit-o-rama blows up spectacularly in their faces

Suits...countersuits...sanctions...disbarments...

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Response to soothsayer (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 01:53 PM

8. Spiro Agnew, Nixon & their crooked lawyers were disbarred

Bill Clinton was also disbarred because of monicagate for 5 years.

All these guys in totality equal to one small fraction of the Con's administration's corruption. All the more reason to disbar the nutjob lawyers who enabled him, LowBarr included.

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 01:17 PM

3. After the fifty-odd lawsuits the campaign lost,

I would LOVE to see some of these succeed. Big time.

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 01:23 PM

4. The depositions and discovery should be fun!

It’ll be fascinating to see what these legal losers were plotting and thinking.

Giuliani is in for some trouble, I think.

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 01:35 PM

5. And hopefully

None of it is pardonable.

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 01:47 PM

6. defamation - is about money i think

i dont think you can pardon for smearing a company its civil they want to be made whole can you image all the possible loss revenue they are losing ...

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 01:51 PM

7. We all knoww Rudy wil get a pardon, so unless some of the crimes he committed were State crimes, he

ll he has done, I'm sure some State will be able to dig up something!

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Response to napi21 (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 06:59 PM

31. This would be a civil action,

so no pardon for Rudy.

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 02:14 PM

9. Good! Sue the bastards!

You bet.

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 02:18 PM

10. Trump can't pardon Rudy from this shitstorm.

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 02:20 PM

11. Rudy deserves to be sued into the ground. No settlement.

Held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.

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Response to JDC (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 03:33 PM

19. Including treason for his Ukraine nonsense

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 02:28 PM

12. If Trump's attorney doesn't "adhere to the preservation request," how will Dominion's lawyers know?

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Response to ancianita (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 02:45 PM

13. Well, if they have any proof (unlikely), they will be required to produce it,

They won’t be able to use “the dog ate my homework”, or “we sent it to Tucker and Sean and it got lost in the mail...”. Whatever documentation they have they will be required to show.

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Response to robbob (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 02:57 PM

16. Not an answer. If the dog ate their homework, there's no homework to produce, right?

Dominion's lawyer can demand all day. What if they say, "we don't have any documents."

Doesn't matter the reasons Rudy and the others give. They don't even have to admit that they have any documents or conversation records.

If Dominion can't prove that Rudy and others have documents, how can they refute the claim that they don't have them?

Again my question is, no matter what they say, what if they don't. Then what happens?

Does the lawyer for Dominion submit charges to police, who go for search warrants?
Does the lawyer for Dominion file subpoenas?
Call the FBI?
Request a grand jury investigation?
Use public reports which are considered hearsay?

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Response to ancianita (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 03:37 PM

20. If they don't have any paper for proof then the case for defamation should be higher

They defamed Dominion without any proof. I am not a lawyer, but I would think that would be a stronger case for defamation if Giuliani and his gang cannot produce any proof for what they said about the company.

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #20)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 05:44 PM

26. agreed.

If they don't show proof at this point it just shows Dominion's case has merit.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 03:42 PM

21. I'm sure they already have recordings of all their defamations available on YouTube, for example.

This letter is like a dire warning to STFU upon reception and start collecting EVERYTHING, videos included.

This is going to cost the ghoul a lifetime fortune. It's all on tape!

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Response to ancianita (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 03:43 PM

22. The truth of the matter

is a defense to defamation. If the defendant can't prove their defense, then what have they got? Dominion (and the other company) has multiple circumstances where they were defamed publicly, harming their business. Not much else to say about it.

If Rudy wants to defend himself, he has to show that the machines somehow flipped to Biden. He's not going to be able to do that. But, if DOJ comes in, might not this be an avenue to obtaining those machines? But, that would be under tightly controlled circumstance, and I am not sure how this plays out.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 02:46 PM

14. Paper trail that end at their doorstep.

The dog can plausibly eat only so much homework, at some point the judge will deem failure to produce documents as non compliance.

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Response to denbot (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 03:03 PM

18. But who knows whether or not there's a paper trail.

Before an indictment is filed, anything can happen to a paper trail and it's only illegal after the indictment is filed.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 05:17 PM

24. Wouldnt that prove that they lied if they had no proof

I think thats the point they purposely defame the company without any evidence .... closed case $$$$$ someone is going to get paided...

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Response to ace3csusm (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 05:51 PM

28. Of course. That is the very public end result. The thing about media is that the lie gets told,

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over and over, then the suit that officially outs the liars -- in a public forum -- does not get anywhere near the media coverage that the lie got.

That's what happens. Nothing. Defamation suits prove their point. But then there's no news.
The truth about liars doesn't happen in the public mind. The liars are just normalized by media, but those who win against them don't get the same media attention.
The liars slink away to make more drama -- and $$$$ -- in the name of "free speech."

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 02:52 PM

15. preserve discussions with giuliani friend limbaugh - the press conf was timed to his show and

he seemed to know the content before hand, and took the opportunity on that 11/19 show to threaten and vilify dominion and smartmatic and their employees

eg, limbaugh first hour 11/19 as the press conf was going on

oh wait wait wait here's sidney powell
back at the microphone i have gotten
multiple emails from people in other
countries (like russia?)
who watch the same pattern happen there
we have witness testimony
that the same things were done in those
countries as this was exported from
venezuela and
by maduro and by mr chavez
and by cuba and of course we know china
also has a substantial presence in
venezuela and substantial
interest in making sure that president
trump does not continue in office
this is the consummate foreign
interference in our election in the most
criminal way
you can possibly imagine it must be shut
down
we know for example that one of the
dominion's highest
level employees or officers went to
detroit himself
to man the detroit operations center
where he could watch the votes coming in
real time
and decide what file folder in the
system to put those votes into

that's why you see massive spikes after
hours when people were told
that all the votes were in and all the
votes were counted many dominion
employees have already reached out to us
to tell us the truth
they are americans who want to ensure
election integrity like we do
i would encourage every dominion or
smartmatic employee
who is fed up with the corruption in
this country to come forward as soon as
possible
because these are serious federal
offenses that i am confident the
department of justice
will be in pursuit of in very short
order if they are not already



xxx it was a full hour of constant, overwhelming evidence.

xxx Rudy made a strong case that the fraud is big enough to change the result and that the evidence is clear.

xxx She detailed evidence of communist money from China, from Russia.

She made the point that if you want to talk about foreign interference in our elections, then this is where it happened. Not in 2016. This is where it happened. And they have a witness who has explained it all, how it works, the influence of communist money from China, from Russia, to rig the elections. And I think one of the key things I heard, the Democrats and the people running the cheating software, the Dominion software with Smartmatic,

xxx

And then they saw the number of votes coming in for Trump, but they could not believe it and they had to stop it. They had to stop the counting.

xxx

They had their Dominion software machines from Venezuela from a company owned and operated by Hugo Chavez, RIP, and then you have, and Maduro, now his inheritor.

And here comes Trump just blowing them out of the water. They had no idea. They didn’t expect Trump to be doing as well as he did, 800,000-vote lead in Pennsylvania. Unheard of. So they had to stop the counting. Then they had to rig the system. And the system was overwhelmed by the number of Trump votes.

xxxx

You couldn’t make up the stories that we heard in this last hour, you couldn’t make up that much devious garbage if you were trying to. It was astounding.
thing is , he was talking the whole hour…...

xxxx

Sidney Powell also said that Dominion executives are now MIA. Their offices are being abandoned and moved.

xxxx

It’s gonna go to a trial and they’re gonna take their time, they’re gonna do it right because this is about the integrity of the American electoral system. It’s not just per se getting Donald Trump elected. It’s about the Constitution and the integrity of our system. So why are these executives from Dominion software and Smartmatic, why are they fleeing the jurisdiction? Why are they now MIA? Why aren’t they there defending what they did? They sold their machines to Democrats and voter registration places all over Pennsylvania, all over Michigan, all over Wisconsin.

Why aren’t they there standing up for their machines? Why aren’t they there defending their system? Why aren’t they there explaining? “No, you guys got us all wrong.” Why are their offices being abandoned? Why are people grabbing things from their offices and throwing them in the back of cars and splitting the parking lot, leaving the city? Dominion executives are now MIA. Their offices are being abandoned and moved. And Sidney Powell said that President Trump won this by a landslide and that they are gonna prove it.

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Response to certainot (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 02:57 PM

17. Yep!!

Hold Limoballs and any of the other hate radio scumbags accountable to their on-air words and general hate mongering. Way too passed time for these sorts of legal actions.

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Response to certainot (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 05:48 PM

27. Limbaugh is such a pig

I can't believe people listen to that crap much less trump giving him the medal of propaganda or whatever the hell it was.

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Response to mdbl (Reply #27)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 11:55 PM

34. like pinning a medal on a turd. he opposed tobacco regulations and told millions

for years smoking doesn't cause cancer, dying of cancer, and these dumbfucks believed him on global warming and trump

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 04:46 PM

23. machines will be working overtime

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 05:25 PM

25. This can't end well for Guilliani or Cipollone.

I believe that because if there was no merit to the defamation suit, Fox News would have never publicly ceded a retraction. Their lawyers told them they had to.

Wouldn't that be something if Rudy really does have to account for his reckless actions? He's supposed to know better than to slander someone in public, so he can't plead ignorance. He knew exactly what he was doing.

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 06:17 PM

29. He's going to start rifling through his legal briefs again if you know what I mean.

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 06:23 PM

30. Rudy's gonna start bottling his farts just for safe measure

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2020, 07:05 PM

33. Dominion has not yet asked for hel but if they do, I am SO THERE

I want all those assholes including the honchos at Pox, OAN, and Newsmax sued down to their diapers, which they will likely need by the time all this is over.

The slurs against Dominion and other voting software companies have had international implications, sowing mistrust of democratic elections planet wide.

This has to be answered.

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2020, 01:02 PM

35. HOw are they gonna make him do it?

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