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sabra

(30,406 posts)
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 07:32 PM Dec 2020

Trump orchestrates final loyalty test in dying bid to subvert election

Source: Politico

President Donald Trump is plotting a final stand in Congress on Jan. 6, casting it as the ultimate loyalty test in his quest to remain in power and shutting out anyone who won’t get in line.

Trump has been strategizing in recent days with a band of his fiercest congressional supporters about the effort, which will involve lodging objections during the typically pro forma congressional certification of President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.

It’s a gambit that even Republican leaders and those around Trump concede is doomed to fail, given the makeup of Congress. But that’s not the only point, according to GOP lawmakers, Trump advisers and Republican operatives.

The objections will also force Republicans in Congress to go on record voting to affirm Biden’s victory — acknowledging the outcome and likely inflaming Trump’s diehard supporters, a crucial GOP faction that has joined the president in denying the election results. Republican strategists and Trump allies inside and outside Washington said Trump’s core supporters will remember how their lawmakers vote on Jan. 6.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/22/trump-final-loyalty-test-election-450183

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Trump orchestrates final loyalty test in dying bid to subvert election (Original Post) sabra Dec 2020 OP
Trump has always valued loyalty over competence Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2020 #1
Like any typical mob boss olddad65 Dec 2020 #16
The loyalty of the incompetent is what he values most of all. nt Xipe Totec Dec 2020 #17
Yikes! That's a party-splitting move. Laelth Dec 2020 #2
I don't know. I think all Republicans may vote for him no matter what they say now. Kablooie Dec 2020 #4
most of them will be able to rationalize it Orangepeel Dec 2020 #8
I would like to see half of Republicans vote for him and half to vote against him. marie999 Dec 2020 #3
Funny thing about loyalty... Grokenstein Dec 2020 #5
Let the Internecine Wars Begin! Cha Dec 2020 #6
Big season finale of his reality show? soothsayer Dec 2020 #7
Damned if you do, damned if you don't... Enterstageleft Dec 2020 #9
They richly deserve to be damned Martin Eden Dec 2020 #22
Jeeze this is sounding more & more like Jim Jones. oldsoftie Dec 2020 #10
If Republicans knew what was good for them they would put a fork into this fascist monster. hadEnuf Dec 2020 #11
Yes, the overweaned pork bellies driving SUVs flying Trump flags are an important constituency bucolic_frolic Dec 2020 #12
+10 Raster Dec 2020 #23
You have to ask yourself if they will remember so well once the trials begin? Ford_Prefect Dec 2020 #13
If Republicans had won the House, he might have been able to pull this off. Scary to think about. Greg K Dec 2020 #14
Wanna pardon ??? badboy67 Dec 2020 #15
pardon me? Skittles Dec 2020 #21
The Senate could save itself More_Cowbell Dec 2020 #18
It's a joint session located in the House, where votes are taken all together. ancianita Dec 2020 #19
The electoral votes are counted together, but More_Cowbell Dec 2020 #20
You left out "votes on the objection." That's it. Then... ancianita Dec 2020 #24
More than loyalty, its a fealty test, he wants them to fall on their swords, he wants their blood Baclava Dec 2020 #25
Dirtbag dustyscamp Dec 2020 #26

Kablooie

(18,815 posts)
4. I don't know. I think all Republicans may vote for him no matter what they say now.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 07:50 PM
Dec 2020

And then normalize it so their voters forget that's it's a vote against American Democracy.

Orangepeel

(13,972 posts)
8. most of them will be able to rationalize it
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 08:05 PM
Dec 2020

just like they've been doing for four years

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
3. I would like to see half of Republicans vote for him and half to vote against him.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 07:47 PM
Dec 2020

This might split the party into 2 parties.

Martin Eden

(13,709 posts)
22. They richly deserve to be damned
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 07:16 AM
Dec 2020

With four years of actively enabling this lying fascist thug they almost caused the downfall of American democracy.

Is it too much to hope that Trump is the cause for the downfall of the Republican Party?

hadEnuf

(2,882 posts)
11. If Republicans knew what was good for them they would put a fork into this fascist monster.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 08:52 PM
Dec 2020

The few decent (?) Republicans left need to take a stand. Loyalty to Trump and his fascist minions will ultimately ruin them. The extremist RW nutcases have finally found someone to rally around and it is Trump. And anything to do with Trump will eventually need to be destroyed. Just like his casino.

bucolic_frolic

(48,137 posts)
12. Yes, the overweaned pork bellies driving SUVs flying Trump flags are an important constituency
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 10:16 PM
Dec 2020

Their destination is COVID, congestive heart failure, and senile dementia - so there is hope for the country!

Ford_Prefect

(8,247 posts)
13. You have to ask yourself if they will remember so well once the trials begin?
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 10:22 PM
Dec 2020

Once the corruption is laid bare in court and Congress. Will they be so enthusiastic when the scale of the GOP graft and its effect on their lives is shown in color and on camera?

Greg K

(599 posts)
14. If Republicans had won the House, he might have been able to pull this off. Scary to think about.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 10:50 PM
Dec 2020

More_Cowbell

(2,207 posts)
18. The Senate could save itself
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 11:52 PM
Dec 2020

By making the House vote first, and since there needs to be a majority in both bodies, failure in the House would mean no vote in the Senate, wouldn't it? I can't find anything setting out who votes first.

More_Cowbell

(2,207 posts)
20. The electoral votes are counted together, but
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 01:04 AM
Dec 2020

If there are objections from the House and Senate, there are "separate debates and votes . . . in each chamber." I haven't found whether they happen, and the results are announced, simultaneously.

Although future Senator Tommy said he'd object, I won't be surprised if Mitch manages to keep any senators from objecting, which would end things without a vote.

ancianita

(39,179 posts)
24. You left out "votes on the objection." That's it. Then...
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 01:49 PM
Dec 2020

"... If there are no objections or all objections are overruled, the presiding officer declares the result of the vote and states who is elected president and vice president. The senators then depart from the House Chamber."

So they reconvene in the House -- after all objections get debated/voted on in separate chambers -- and the final electoral vote is done.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
25. More than loyalty, its a fealty test, he wants them to fall on their swords, he wants their blood
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 05:58 PM
Dec 2020
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