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Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:24 PM

'We want them infected': Trump appointee demanded 'herd immunity' strategy, emails reveal

Source: Politico

A top Trump appointee repeatedly urged top health officials to adopt a "herd immunity" approach to Covid-19 and allow millions of Americans to be infected by the virus, according to internal emails obtained by the House Oversight Committee and shared with POLITICO.

“There is no other way, we need to establish herd, and it only comes about allowing the non-high risk groups expose themselves to the virus. PERIOD," then-science adviser Paul Alexander wrote on July 4 to his boss, Health and Human Services assistant secretary for public affairs Michael Caputo, and six other senior officials.

"Infants, kids, teens, young people, young adults, middle aged with no conditions etc. have zero to little risk….so we use them to develop herd…we want them infected…" Alexander added.

" (I)t may be that it will be best if we open up and flood the zone and let the kids and young folk get infected" in order to get "natural immunity…natural exposure," Alexander wrote on July 24 to Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Stephen Hahn, Caputo and eight other senior officials. Caputo subsequently asked Alexander to research the idea, according to emails obtained by the House Oversight Committee's select subcommittee on coronavirus.

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Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/16/trump-appointee-demanded-herd-immunity-strategy-446408

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:27 PM

1. Kickin' with disgust!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:29 PM

2. While at risk people hide in their homes not able to do what is needed to buy food and pay bills.

And I gotta tell you, my very athletic, healthy 20's sons do not want to be the ones thrown out there to get long term issues, as some experiment for the gr4eedy. They have a lot of years to live with repercussions.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:33 PM

67. Yes. Hard to imagine we had this kind of craziness running rampant...

in trump's administration, advocating that millions get the virus without knowing the long-term consequences, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of deaths of those who wouldn't survive getting the virus.

Depraved indifference to life in some states is considered second degree murder or aggravated manslaughter in some states.

So many of those people need to go to jail.

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Response to brush (Reply #67)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:27 PM

77. +1. While we were being told they were doing everything right.

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Response to brush (Reply #67)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 02:57 AM

105. These criminals claim to be the 'pro-life' party...

They R the worst swamp ever seen on Earth after Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, and now Kim Jung Un.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:30 PM

3. Oh yes. Aggressively infect those who are "low risk".

Enabling a vast segment of the population to effectively sicken and kill everyone else.

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Response to Zambero (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:26 PM

32. It looks very "Final Solution" to me

and it seems to have had partial success. Unfortunately, it also produced more "useless eaters" than it killed because the disease maims so many of those it doesn't kill outright, including healthy adults who have had mild cases.

I hope all these schmucks have up to date passports and there are hellholes that will take them in, a lot of people are going to be pretty unhappy with them.

Alexander's going to be just peachy, he's Canadian.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:23 PM

63. Eugenics agenda, for sure!

Utterly criminal and disgusting all right!

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Response to ananda (Reply #63)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 07:24 AM

107. Read somewhere, can't recall where, that Fred tRump and pyscho Donald were

all for eugenics. Wish I could remember where I read this.

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #107)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 08:01 AM

109. Fred raised DT as a nazi eugenicist.

...

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Response to Warpy (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:33 PM

68. Reminds me of the Inquisition where they'd burn you at the stake to save your soul.

Yeah, who would have guessed that the Corporate Class and Federal Government of the U.S. would decide that the best way to make a profit would be to "let the expendable unwashed masses die" so they could continue to make stock and piles of cash while hiding out?

Remember, Republicans are a death cult and they were actively making it happen from the beginning as supported by the newly revealed emails ... let alone the Trump Administration rhetoric since January when he knew it was deadly and chose to lie to each and every American over this last year.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:50 PM

71. Might backfire & kill off their base. I'd call that geno-suicide but whatever....

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Response to Zambero (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:39 PM

46. And, they will have a pre-existing condition.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:36 PM

4. While the Trumpian Elites controlled access to the treatment cocktail

Disgusting...just disgusting!
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Response to farmbo (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:00 PM

16. +1

Yep.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:37 PM

5. "Herd immunity approach to covid" roughly translates to "endlosung der covidfrage"

Or, the final solution to the covid question.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:38 PM

6. Encouraging people to get infected (and possibly get sick, become disabled, die)

to avoid any interruptions to the economy. This is Nazi-level shit.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:41 PM

7. And over 70 million voted for this piece of shit?

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 11:03 AM

114. Tune in to Fox News primetime for an hour

or even just ten minutes, and you'll see why.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:43 PM

8. Morally reprehensible

This is what Trump had been advocating since at least April. And if you look at his actions ever since, that's just what he promoted. Alexander was saying what Trump wanted to hear.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:38 PM

70. Kushner had a hand in this too as he advocated...

for keeping PPE from the blue states as they were the first states to get the mass infections.

He was ready to write off thousands of lives too.

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Response to brush (Reply #70)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:44 PM

79. This pandemic has been quite handy for the Trumps and their followers.

It's been a great opportunity to kill off the underprivileged elderly and infirm without any need for messy concentration camps. Social Security and Medicare solvency must surely improve as a result.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #79)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:53 PM

80. Yes, concentration camps would've been messy.

But they probably would've tried it if they thought they could get away with it. And I'm betting they would've include POCs along with the elderly and infirm in their final solution.

Monsters.

There's lots of materials that investigative reporters will be going through for years and books will come out. Perhaps Woodward will do one. This vile behavior needs to be revealed as it doesn't always happen the government/DOJ gets to it.

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Response to brush (Reply #80)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:53 PM

90. Trump's following will soon fade

Association with him will be toxic within 6 months.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #90)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 06:12 PM

92. Agreed. He'll be seen for what he is. A loser.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #79)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 07:29 AM

108. So, reduce the surplus population, leaving more for the greedheads. Sounds like a plan.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:45 PM

9. They have been actively promoting the virus for months n/t

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:47 PM

10. GOP Death Panel

Pro-life my ass.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:49 PM

11. Shines a light on the push for

teachers and students to return to classrooms in August and September, shortly after this was exchanged within the administration. No one had or has info about the long term repercussions from COVID, but to make Trump look good, lots of classes of Americans should be used in an experiment. Vile.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:50 PM

12. This has been obvious the entire time.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:54 PM

13. Proof...Here is the Proof!!!!! Paul Alexander to jail..Do not pass Go, Do not collect $200...no

pardons, no breaks, Caputo goes too..!!!!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #51)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:54 PM

54. Murderous prick. n/t

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #54)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:57 PM

82. I learned that photo is actually Michael Caputo, an associate of his.

He is every bit as evil, and destructive.

I've scoured the images that are supposed to be Paul Alexander, and they are ALL Michael Caputo, instead. That is crazy! I think they've pulled all the public photos of him out after this article came out, as they don't want the general public to be able to identify him, since he IS a would-be homicidal monster, who could be held responsible for the deaths of many, no doubt.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:56 PM

14. We need tribunals.

These people are murderers, straight up.

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Response to liberalmuse (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:40 PM

78. I keep saying that one of the first thing that Biden should do is ...

create a "Presidential Crimes Commission"

This issue should be included.
Why wasn't this communicated as this administrations policy, instead of hiding it?
If there was a Herd Immunity policy, was it only communicated to the (R) congress,
(R) Governors, (R) Mayors of big cities?
Pushing to NOT wear masks and sending children to school, would certainly accomplish the policy.

Living in San Diego, our mayor Kevin Faulconer was a real Trumpette, and wanted to reopen schools.
Based on this story, San Diego's mayor got the message. Was it delivered through (R) channels?

This needs to be looked into, with a deeper dive.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #78)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:28 PM

86. This is a MUST.

There must be accountability. The US is on the verge of a fascist takeover (as has happened a couple times in the past) and we need to nip it in the bud right now. I'm so stunned at the evil I'm seeing coming from Trump, his appointees and the GOP it's hard to function, but we have to fight this with urgency. I'm going to be pushing the Biden administration to act - I hope everyone does this as well.

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Response to liberalmuse (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 06:08 PM

91. can we

get the ICC to say that this is unprecedented but CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY has taken place in the US ....depraved heart, negligent homicide.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:56 PM

15. Can you say "Special Prosecutor"?

Surely this doesn't fall under the banner of legitimate political differences. This is large-scale manslaughter.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:00 PM

17. This is mass murder without a vaccine.

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Response to OMGWTF (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:30 PM

88. it's

a mass casualty event, a 9/11 everyday................think about it.

CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:02 PM

18. Low risk people carry it home to high risk people

These assholes were making decisions about people's lives.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:05 PM

19. Sure seems like depraved indifference to human life

Given that 2.7 million grandparents are primary caregivers to their grandchildren (https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200803005096/en/Grandparents-Raising-Grandchildren-in-the-United-States-New-Research-Into-Characteristics-and-Challenges) and many more are backup or afternoon care for working parents, these idiots put millions of caregivers at risk.

They put millions of teachers at risk. Lunch ladies (or lunch gents, but I love the song), Bus drivers, secretaries, etc. They do not care who dies from those groups because they are not megadollar donors to Trump, McConnel, and other Rethug super-PACs.

I was a school teacher for 20 years. The district that I worked in for my final 15 years opened up and I would have been exposed to the disease if I hadn't left the profession. I would have certainly gotten it and brought it home to my at risk wife.

These people and all the profiteers from Kushner's shadow group need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Governors like Covid Kimmy in Iowa and other Trump humpers who forced schools open when not safe. The list is long. If we say deaths above competent leadership rates (see Germany, Japan, etc) and then anything over that rate we charge them and let them turn on each other to get the real story if they want to be eligible for parole before age 100.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:08 PM

20. Let the World Court trials for the fascist Mass Murdering War Criminals begin

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Response to Baclava (Reply #20)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:35 PM

41. Just a swinging. Justice, prison for life would be an option too.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:08 PM

21. Note the date....this was really a strategy to "cull" the Demcratic herd.

Letting the virus kill Democrats in cities was the unstated objective. Losing a few million Democrats wouldn't hurt the Trump chances in November.

Of course, they never realized that the 2nd wave would waste their voters in rural areas.

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:22 PM

28. He chose a patriotic date to advocate killing American citizens. . . . nt

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:55 PM

55. +1 Cull the Democratic Herd in Cities

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:30 PM

103. They've been demonizing and dehumanizing Liberals

On their public media and of course, out of sphincter-mouth’s own face, for years. Of course they’re acting on the rhetoric now.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:09 PM

22. I am literally shaking I am so mad about this....

This is Mengele-level Nazi shit in the 21st century, in AMERICA, in MY NAME...and it indirectly made it so that my mother passed in November without a bedside vigil for the family, without a proper funeral mass that did not require my family to socially distance and restrict the mourners to only 20 souls...

I can't even form a rational thought right now...I KNEW this was why they were no doing a goddamn thing all along, but to see it DOCUMENTED and so callously at that, is still jarring.

This was a fucking medical experiment performed on the population - worse, PROMOTED on the population through semi-truths, lies and deceptions all in the name of servicing Trump and his hopes to be re-elected and avoid jail, bankruptcy (again) or both.

Fuck them all.
Find them.
Try them for crimes against humanity.
Throw them all into a deep pit and let them rot.

I need to go for a walk or I am going to break something on my desk...

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Response to Moostache (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:20 PM

27. +300,000 well said. eom

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:12 PM

23. "...we want them infected..." - Especially if they are blue states.

"…we want them infected…" -

Especially if they are blue states.

(Invest in body bags)

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #23)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:58 PM

83. California just ordered 5,000 body bags n/t

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #83)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:29 PM

87. The Georgia senators are smiling for their stock portfolio.

Making money off the leftists from the Trump personal death count.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:14 PM

24. How does this NOT get someone sued in Civil Court for negligent homicide?

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Response to Volaris (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:37 PM

43. The emails don't show that such policies were ever put into effect. (n/t)

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #43)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:38 PM

45. Well they damned sure didnt do anything to the contrary.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #43)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:52 PM

73. But, by doing nothing

Essentially they DID adopt that policy.

They were non-committal on masks, they didn’t force more lock downs, etc.

That was their policy: do nothing

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Response to Volaris (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:38 PM

44. I believe that myself and my family have standing to sue Trump on this...

The pain and suffering we have endured since November 10th is REAL and DEEP and cannot be fixed. If anyone knows a lawyer or law firm that is willing to seek justice, or a class-action suit that is being considered to seek justice for those we have already lost, are currently losing today and will lose over the coming months still....DM me here at DU and I will meet with anyone bringing suit or offer to be deposed for a class-action.

I'll testify in open court to the harm done to myself and my family and I will serve as proxy for the hundreds of thousands of others that have suffered as much or more than we have.

This needs to hit him and his minions so hard and so completely that it will discourage anyone else from even considering this kind of evil in the USA again. It needs to be felt unto the 7th generation and beyond to bring even the start of justice to this case.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #44)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 11:04 PM

120. Justice Matters

Glenn Kirschner:

From Herd Immunity to Criminal Liability for Trump & Pence for Avoidable Coronavirus Deaths. Here’s why their conduct satisfies the three elements of criminally negligent homicide. Death is different & #JusticeMatters via
@YouTube


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Response to Volaris (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:51 PM

72. Depraved indifference to life? That belongs in criminal court.

In some states it's manslaughter or second degree felony murder.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:17 PM

25. And "We want the convicted"

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:20 PM

26. Key quote: "so we USE them" [kids, young] . . . . nt

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:22 PM

29. Purposeful tactic to murder millions of Americans, can we hope our

 

leaders do something about it???? We beyond strongly worded letters.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:23 PM

30. But HER emails....

what is it wit Trumps chumps they cant spell? This guy has a PHd?

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:23 PM

31. The world has been here before. The last time a new set of codes were establish. NOTE #1.

The ten points of the Nuremberg Code
The ten points of the code were given in the section of the verdict entitled "Permissible Medical Experiments":[5]

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.

2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.

3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.

4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.

5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.

6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.

7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.

8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.

9. During the course of the experiment, the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.

10. During the course of the experiment, the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill, and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:27 PM

33. Trump protected from pain, reality, living on a McDonald's diet

So detached from the people his whims affect with dangerous random mental processes and deluded actions.

Now we know what happens when they wield power, misguided and driven by conspiracies. And when they get the Corona the best medicine is used while 100K die without such access to the best. Mfer's and their Toxic Herd Mentality of the gilded autocracy of idiocracy.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:28 PM

34. There is the proof that

They wanted the numbers manipulated. Rebecca Jones might be thrilled by this admission!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:31 PM

35. It's not about herd immunity, it never was.

Martial law is not logistically possible unless you kill off at least a quarter of the population first.

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Response to Runningdawg (Reply #35)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:34 PM

37. Maybe both

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:32 PM

36. They knew early on - last March or before

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/what-young-healthy-people-have-fear-covid-19/616087/

that there were long term health effects in younger people. It killed fewer of them but major organs like lungs, heart, liver, kidney, etc got damaged.

The Italian doctors spoke about this to the media, etc - warning young people who they feared many would be disabled.

There are all kinds of medical studies on this.

It is a subject not spoken about enough. We talk about 300,000 deaths but overlook the tragedy of those disabled or significantly compromised by this virus.

So in July, the White House is taking the herd immunity position?
That is so outrageous, it is beyond words.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #36)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:35 PM

39. +1

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #36)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:35 PM

40. From what I have read, for every death...

... another 15-19 persons are affected.

BASTARDS!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:34 PM

38. A lot of people don't know they have any underlying conditions. A lot of people do not see their

doctors regularly. A lot of people are disenfranchised when it comes to healthcare.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:36 PM

42. A policy of deliberate homicide

Far worse than negligence. Trump had to look to Canada to find a health advisor as demented as himself, but he did, and it seems he left a wide paper trail, and it's shocking.

And nothing shocks me anymore!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:43 PM

47. more and more this smacks of putin

ever since those repubs met in moscow,ironically on July 4th, we have seen a change in their demeaner.
i said before i believe trump is a russian sleeper and has enough data on most republican politicians, who have undoubtedly received russian money, that they are now not only in putins pocket and actively working to overthrow America with the help of russia but are ready to leave for asylum and damn America so they and their family and friends can survive.

There are too many of these quislings put in power, by trump, to be a concidence. he just doesnt have the mentality to have come up with this himself.

these people need tried as the traitors they are.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:44 PM

48. Wonder

if it occurred to them they would also be killing many of their right wing supporters? They disgust me to no end.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:44 PM

49. "And stop Fauci from talking"






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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:45 PM

50. To The Hague with these motherfuckers!

What utterly callous indifference to millions of American lives..

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:52 PM

52. It's otherwise called "PREMEDITATED MURDER." n/t

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:52 PM

53. what vile creatures!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:01 PM

56. Looks as though they weren't even factoring in the possibility of a vaccine?

Which was on the horizon I believe this is part of the reason financial markets didn't stay tanked--in addition to Fed intervention, the smart money probably knew credible vaccines were in development. But, the murderous bastards in red don's circle pushed for "herd immunity" instead of helping the populace stay safe until a vaccine was available.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:06 PM

57. 3 things:

1) Paul Alexander along with Michael Caputo and the six other senior officials should not be allowed to
get the vaccine

b) Michael Caputo hasd to have had Trump's OK on this madness and BTW didn't Trump
bring on Scott Atlas @ this time who was a "herd immunity" supporter?

iii) Paul Alexander would not have said that shit if Trump hadn't approved it.

Intentional homicide of more than 300,000 Americans is what Trump and company are guilty of

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:06 PM

58. Herd immunity is mass vaccination

it is not infect everyone quickly to see who doesn't die.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:10 PM

59. Trump Ghoul:

"No more than 5 to 8 million dead, tops."

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:11 PM

60. Repug's never fail to enact the most benighted, bombastic and minacious "solutions" possible

All the way from RayGun's "Moral Majority" greed to this, I've watched, thrown things at the teevee, never ceased to be astonished that anyone thinks they have workable solutions to any problem with any durability or good judgment.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:18 PM

61. Sure, herd immunity, for a class of virus that humans exhibit no *long term* natural immunity.

Kill a few million this year.

A few million more next year

a few million the year after that.

It's just the people who don't count anyway that die.

The rich & powerful get immediate high impact treatment for COVID19. The rest of the population, they can eat cake.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:19 PM

62. Completely irresponsible

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:25 PM

64. Jesus H. Christ! . . . these people are fucking crazy!! . . .

they should all be prosecuted and/or locked up in the closest loony bin . . . this shit is just beyond belief -- U.S. officials calling for people to be intentionally infected!!! . . . what else is coming our way in Trump's final weeks? . . .

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:29 PM

65. Criminal

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:32 PM

66. More sadistic mythology in place of hard science from the folks who brought you Donald J. Trump

instead of a real leader.

That con is called "Bait and Switch."

"Herd Immunity" is a false and misleading concept which has been repeatedly dis-proven. It does remain a popular theory among those who feel genocide is a reliable public policy.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:34 PM

69. Y'know, I'd say I'm surprised.

But I'm not. Not even remotely. I think if we look back, this is about the time they were saying Trump was "getting bored with the whole Covid thing". He finally found someone to confirm his lunacy. I'd also say "Wow...if only this came out before the election", but I know it would have made absolutely no difference...his minions still would have voted for him. Now here's a thought...let's line up anyone who voted for Trump and have them "infected" as Alexander so delicately put it.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:56 PM

74. What about the new strain spreading in Europe?

Last edited Wed Dec 16, 2020, 06:22 PM - Edit history (1)

Are we going to infect everyone with that too. I guess the more infections the more likely it will mutate.


Also, my sister is a nurse and she tested positive twice. The second time she had it, 7 people got it from her. She was in the hospital along with my mother and brother-in-law for almost 2 weeks. All 3 still need some oxygen.

Apparently, it is possible to get it again a few months later. It is very contagious and it can be very dangerous if you get it.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:57 PM

75. Sue this monster for wrongful death cases and make him pay.

Every kid or young person infected first, doesn't have zero risk. But they also spread it to their parents, grandparents, teachers, and others who may be at high risk of serious complications or death.

Everyone who supported this heinous plan should be publicly shamed and drubbed out of public office, and anyone who actively participated in implementing such a deadly policy should be sued in civil court and if possible, held criminally liable. Any lawyers here care to weigh in? Class action time?

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:14 PM

76. Psychopathic.

Or is it sociopathic?

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Response to badboy67 (Reply #76)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:56 PM

81. Both!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:19 PM

84. This is

a mass casualty event, they (tRumpsters) need to be arrested. They are criminals.


Their way of punishing us.....for taking away their effing greed.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:22 PM

85. i thought i was going to throw up when i read this

i'm speechless, and nauseous

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:48 PM

89. kicking with reckless endangerment charges .

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 06:26 PM

93. Why

Why is this not breaking news on every newscast? How can this not be everyone's lead story. This was their strategy all along.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 06:37 PM

94. Genocide.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 06:40 PM

95. Please read this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Elias_Alexander#:~:text=Alexander%20has%20a%20bachelor's%20degree,Methods%2C%20Evidence%2C%20and%20Impact.

Paul Elias Alexander is a Canadian health researcher and a former Trump administration official at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. He attracted attention in 2020 when, as an aide to HHS assistant secretary for public affairs Michael Caputo, he influenced the administration's response to the COVID-19 pandemic. Within the administration, Alexander advocated for a strategy of mass infecting the public with COVID-19 to build herd immunity.[1] He advocated for colleges to be open with the goal of mass infecting students. [1] He sought to muzzle federal scientists and public health agencies to prevent them from contradicting the rhetoric coming from the Trump administration.[2][3]

Advisor to Trump administration HHS official
In late March 2020, Alexander was recruited by Michael Caputo, the newly appointed assistant secretary for public affairs at the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), as his scientific advisor. The two had become friends when Caputo hosted a talk radio show on which Alexander often appeared to talk about scientific subjects. Caputo, who has no scientific background, said in an interview that President Donald Trump had told him to "bring expertise" to his new position and that "the first call I made after I got off the phone with the president" was to offer Alexander a job.[7]

Coronavirus pandemic and attempts to interfere with CDC reports
Main article: Trump administration political interference with science agencies
Alexander and Caputo came under scrutiny for their months-long efforts to exert control over the public messaging of scientists and health officials regarding the coronavirus pandemic in the United States, in particular for efforts to influence the public messaging of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) so that it would be more compatible with Trump's public statements.[5][8] Alexander's efforts were focused on the CDC's widely read Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR), which Caputo and Alexander regarded as containing "political content"; Alexander tried unsuccessfully to get all issues of MMWR held up until personally approved by him.[9]

Emails written by Alexander and Caputo detailed an attempt to silence career CDC scientists and question their findings as part of what current and former CDC officials called a "campaign of bullying and intimidation" that stretched for five months.[10] After Dr. Anne Schuchat, the principal deputy director of the CDC, who worked at the agency for 32 years, gave an interview to the Journal of the American Medical Association in which she urged the use of face masks to prevent the spread of the virus, Alexander emailed Caputo calling Schuchat "duplicitous" and claimed, "Her aim is to embarrass the president."[10] On June 20, 2020, Alexander sent a message to CDC Director Robert R. Redfield, criticizing a CDC report about risks to pregnant women from COVID-19. Alexander said that the report, whose limitations the CDC had acknowledged, would "frighten women" and give the impression that "the President and his administration can't fix this and it is getting worse". He said that in his "opinion and sense" the CDC was "undermining the president by what they put out".[11] A congressional committee has asked him to testify in September to give information about his interactions with CDC regarding COVID-19 deaths and infections, hydroxychloroquine as a treatment, and the impact the virus has on children. On August 8, 2020, Alexander wrote to Redfield that "CDC to me appears to be writing hit pieces on the administration"; he asked Redfield to change reports that had already been published and demanded that he be allowed to review and edit MMWR before publication.[8]

In August and early September 2020, Alexander sent several messages to press officers at the National Institutes of Health attempting to direct Dr. Anthony Fauci's media comments.[12] Among his demands were that Fauci should refrain from promoting the wearing of masks by children in school and COVID-19 testing of children.[12] Fauci later said that he had not received the messages and would not have been influenced by them if he had.[12]

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:10 PM

96. Arrest these sociopathic SOB's. They are responsible for mass death. Pure and simple.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:18 PM

97. Covering my face with a pillow and screaming into it for the next 30 minutes.

It’s an atrocity.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:39 PM

98. Herd immunity?

Fine, do it through vaccinations.
Any other way of doing it is just plain murder.

On the other hand, 'strengthening the human herd by killing off the weakest' was popular in Nazi Germany and in the USA, under the heading of 'Eugenics'.

Google it. The bad old days USA not too long ago. In the late 19th century in fact.

The fact that most advocates don't include themselves in the group that needs to be weeded out, or that the criteria for weeding are quite arbitrary - like blue eyes and blonde in Nazi Germany - escapes many.

But other countries didn't do much better. Australia had a 'White Australia Policy' that blocked non white immigrants. Can't dilute the superior Anglo-European gene pool, you know!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 08:41 PM

99. TY

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 09:33 PM

100. "It's a hoax!"

They KNEW it was not a hoax. They said it to get more people infected.

Hey, perfect! Let's have more rallies!!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 10:04 PM

101. Fscking genocide!


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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:14 PM

102. We need a Democratic Senate to hold hearings on this

and this whole administration's tenure

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 11:56 PM

104. K&R

SHEEPLE and now cattle.


All those "super spreader events" ON PURPOSE.















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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 05:15 AM

106. If "leftists" were as violent as RWers make them out to be,

the monsters responsible for this premeditated negligence would really wish they had cared more about the lives their fellow Americans.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 09:45 AM

110. Canada doesn't send us their best.

Alexander needs, deserves, pls god give him covid-19 and let him lose a leg and a goddam toe. Innocent people die because of fools like him and his delusional paranoid boss, Caputo.

Lead poisoning doesn't instantly kill children, but that doesn't mean we encourage them to eat paint chips!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 09:52 AM

111. Calling for justice & accountability

This is nothing like chicken pox or measles, which in the long ago, many mothers did choose herd immunity because there were NO vaccines for childhood diseases/viruses. That Dr needs his medical license ripped away from him, to never practice again in the USA. He should be held responsible. Along with Steve Miller, DJT, & anyone in the WH who advocated this ancient treatment. There needs to be a Nuremberg-type trial with death sentences.

As a matter of fact, I believe they are all guilty of evil much deeper. They assumed it would take out Seniors & Blacks, & they don't give a shit about them. It would save so much money to not have those people around. The whole bunchi n the WH are either evil or totally ignorant, or BOTH.

It's about time for some REAL justice in this country. None of the "bygones" business!!!!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 10:12 AM

112. What's that word?

The legal term for killing many people with intention--you know the one. I call it genocide.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 10:52 AM

113. This man should die a horrible death.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 11:12 AM

115. More infections more virus mutations and stains

There are currently multiple known strains circulating.

Also, you CAN get it twice. My sister is a nurse and tested positive twice. The second time she had to be hospitalized for almost 2 weeks.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 11:17 AM

116. It seems that empathy is a disqualifier for a high-level job in this adminstration.

They certainly do flock together, don't they?

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 12:09 PM

117. MASS MURDER

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 01:14 PM

118. Bite the curb f--ker. nt

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 07:08 PM

119. The Republican mind set seems to be . . .

If we do it and get away with it, it must be ok. So we will do it again next chance we get!

There needs to be some major kickback on this, media blaring, legal system cranking up to Nuremberg trials level examination and punishment.

Forgive and forget? It's way past that!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 11:34 PM

121. You want us infected. We want you dead.

That line of thinking is just staggering, on more levels than one. The depravity and heartlessness alone could fill dumpsters, which this man's heart and brain clearly are.

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