Sun Dec 13, 2020, 02:46 PM

swag (26,096 posts)

Sweden's frontline health care workers are quitting in worrying numbers as COVID cases spike

Source: Fortune

BY
NICLAS ROLANDER AND BLOOMBERG
December 13, 2020 3:05 AM PST

Sweden faces a shortage of health-care workers as the number of resignations ticks up after a relentless year of caring for Covid patients.

Sineva Ribeiro, the chairwoman of the Swedish Association of Health Professionals, says the situation is “terrible.”

Even before the first wave of the pandemic back in March, there was “a shortage of specialist nurses, including at ICUs,” she said in a phone interview.

The development shows that even countries with universal health-care systems are now struggling to keep up with the Covid crisis. This week, Stockholm’s intensive care capacity hit 99%, sending the city into a panic and prompting calls for outside help.

But even if more ICU beds are provided, the bigger concern now is whether Sweden has enough health-care workers with the skills needed to look after the country’s sickest patients.

Read more: https://fortune.com/2020/12/13/sweden-frontline-health-care-workers-quitting-covid/?fbclid=IwAR22VoAir-SjRgfKACch-6UBNK-LSDDZ49HDmDp_7-9RkguZ2ThBrGAz3mw

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Sweden's frontline health care workers are quitting in worrying numbers as COVID cases spike (Original post)	swag	Dec 13	OP
They never reached Herd Impunity?	Arne	Dec 13	#1
The US has	IronLionZion	Dec 13	#6
Whaaaat? I thought Sweden was perfect	Tree-Hugger	Dec 13	#2
Good luck finding that "outside help," Sweden.	SunSeeker	Dec 13	#3
Sweden took no precautions. I look at this as a harbinger of things to come for the US	keopeli	Dec 13	#4
Sweden is the "control group" for doing little or no mitigation	BumRushDaShow	Dec 13	#5
Exactly. Their top health administrator pushed for herd immunity...	brush	Dec 14	#8
And the idiocy of this	BumRushDaShow	Dec 14	#9
I just got through my second bout with shingles and it was worse than the first time.	littlemissmartypants	Dec 14	#10
My cousin	BumRushDaShow	Dec 14	#11
How frightening that must have been. I'm glad she found relief. nt	littlemissmartypants	Dec 14	#12
thought this one that solved COVID crisis by letting COVID run amuck while telling elderly	Demovictory9	Dec 13	#7

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Sun Dec 13, 2020, 03:14 PM

Arne (1,614 posts)

1. They never reached Herd Impunity?

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Sun Dec 13, 2020, 06:46 PM

IronLionZion (31,916 posts)

6. The US has

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Sun Dec 13, 2020, 03:25 PM

Tree-Hugger (2,220 posts)

2. Whaaaat? I thought Sweden was perfect

I've heard many an anti-masker and anti-shutdown twerp say, "look at Sweden." According to them, Sweden is doing so well with no masks and no shut downs. No one gets sick. No one dies.

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Sun Dec 13, 2020, 03:35 PM

SunSeeker (43,253 posts)

3. Good luck finding that "outside help," Sweden.

Not too many spare ICU nurses and docs available right now.

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Sun Dec 13, 2020, 04:33 PM

keopeli (2,798 posts)

4. Sweden took no precautions. I look at this as a harbinger of things to come for the US

The difference being that Sweden has a government that will make sure you're okay if you need to change careers. Whereas, in the US, we offer no support. In fact, once you quit, you are likely to suffer greatly with no health insurance, no unemployment insurance, and few prospects for those who are changing careers because of unemployment and hiring standards.

If you live in the US, you are an indentured servant who can not quit their job without risking your life or the life of your loved ones.

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Sun Dec 13, 2020, 06:00 PM

BumRushDaShow (73,989 posts)

5. Sweden is the "control group" for doing little or no mitigation

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Mon Dec 14, 2020, 02:58 AM

brush (33,322 posts)

8. Exactly. Their top health administrator pushed for herd immunity...

and had to apologize when Sweden was hardly better than the US in it's handling of the covid crisis.

None of the other Scandinavian or European countries were stupid enough to try that and thus had better control over the virus.

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Mon Dec 14, 2020, 04:24 AM

BumRushDaShow (73,989 posts)

9. And the idiocy of this

is because although this coronavirus is extremely contagious and fatal, it's STILL a "coronavirus", one the types of viruses that circulates as part of "cold season" and "herd immunity" doesn't really happen with many of the variants of viruses that make up "colds". Otherwise few would get colds anymore.

And even the idea of "herd immunity" can have long term downsides - like all those "chicken pox parties", where years later, the infected can get shingles at the worst possible time of their lives (one of my cousins literally just had a shingles outbreak a couple months ago).

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Mon Dec 14, 2020, 09:17 AM

littlemissmartypants (14,161 posts)

10. I just got through my second bout with shingles and it was worse than the first time.

I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

❤lmsp

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Mon Dec 14, 2020, 09:23 AM

BumRushDaShow (73,989 posts)

11. My cousin

had it erupt in an odd location - right around one of her eyes, and it was awful for her.

My other cousin who is an optometrist was working with her and her doctors (in the middle of this pandemic) to get it treated (which so far has been successful).

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Mon Dec 14, 2020, 10:04 AM

littlemissmartypants (14,161 posts)

12. How frightening that must have been. I'm glad she found relief. nt

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Sun Dec 13, 2020, 11:38 PM

Demovictory9 (16,720 posts)

7. thought this one that solved COVID crisis by letting COVID run amuck while telling elderly

to stay inside

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