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William769

(55,043 posts)
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 06:58 AM Dec 2020

Ex-Presidents fill leadership vacuum as Trump ignores worsening pandemic

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Source: CNN

(CNN)This is what presidential leadership looks like.

As President Donald Trump ignores America's slide into a tragic winter and obsesses over his false claims of a stolen election, three of his predecessors are volunteering to bare their arms on camera to build confidence in the vaccines that could finally end the pandemic.

The effort by former Presidents George W. Bush, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, which was reported by CNN's Jamie Gangel, is sure to infuriate the current commander in chief. Trump is claiming the lion's share of credit for the unprecedented speed of development of several vaccines -- despite his neglect of other aspects of the public health disaster that has killed more than a quarter of a million Americans.

The former presidents are stepping up as America plunges into its toughest battle against Covid-19 before the new vaccines, expected to soon be approved by US regulators, bring deliverance. But there are few signs that the current President is ready to call on the nation to muster for one last fight against the worsening pandemic before the immunizations become available to most Americans.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/politics/trump-coronavirus-vaccine/index.html



May trump rot in Hell.
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Ex-Presidents fill leadership vacuum as Trump ignores worsening pandemic (Original Post) William769 Dec 2020 OP
I'd prefer tRump to rot in jail Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2020 #1
What I want for the Trumps Soxfan58 Dec 2020 #4
They won't ever have to, because there are forever-tRumpers who will give them money Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2020 #5
And begging Mary for $$ Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #12
. Soxfan58 Dec 2020 #22
Take ALL their money, including any future income, & give it to their victims. rickyhall Dec 2020 #19
Yep empedocles Dec 2020 #10
Top scientists in charge of vaccine development said that tRump's WarpSpeed has not affected develop Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2020 #2
I guess I was wrong before. Thought for sure that Trump Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #14
You're not far wrong, if at all. Be sure tRump would have exerted pressure on vaccine allocation. nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2020 #15
But sounded like there was a set CDC committee that decided Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #25
Honestly, I don't believe t**** even knows what he is doing from day to day. If he can't figure it IsItJustMe Dec 2020 #16
Much easier than for the rest of us - being a full blown narcissist Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #26
+ agree. And the Pharma companies themselves have said the same thing, t-rump had nothing to do iluvtennis Dec 2020 #23
Rob Portman True Blue American Dec 2020 #3
Portman is worthless NEOBuckeye Dec 2020 #7
That was the least he could do LittleWoman Dec 2020 #8
If you got a personal answer put him right up there with Sherrod Brown. True Blue American Dec 2020 #11
Leadership even though none of them are in office anymore. oldsoftie Dec 2020 #6
I prefer he rot in prison, either real or of his own making SammyWinstonJack Dec 2020 #9
I predict that Trump will say that's nothing compared to how he got Covid and triumphed over it. tanyev Dec 2020 #13
If Trump was capable of shame, that would send him into permanent hiding. Solly Mack Dec 2020 #17
"there are few signs that the current President is ready to call on the nation" BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #18
I take great comfort in this.That & the fact that the manufacturers &scientists refused to be rushed Hekate Dec 2020 #20
Great Move RobinA Dec 2020 #21
For Polio vaccinations back in the 50's Elvis Presley/other celebs helped educate the public. iluvtennis Dec 2020 #24
The good old days, before the republicans hollowed out the government and it worked for the people PSPS Dec 2020 #27
I would much prefer Trump's family gets it first jmowreader Dec 2020 #28
"...sure to infuriate..." BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #29
I'd like them to step up and get involved more. The nation needs the X-Presidents! LiberalLovinLug Dec 2020 #30
After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING Omaha Steve Dec 2020 #31

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,603 posts)
1. I'd prefer tRump to rot in jail
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 07:11 AM
Dec 2020

... since I don't believe in hells other than those that people create around themselves.

Bravo for Clinton, Bush, and Obama.

Soxfan58

(3,479 posts)
4. What I want for the Trumps
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 07:28 AM
Dec 2020

Is backbreaking poverty. I want Don Jr. going through dumpsters for a meal. I want Eric having to wait in line for a minimum wage job. I want Ivanka selling her ass on the corner for a cheeseburger. And Big Daddy Don babbling in a corner at a nursing home with a one star rating. They don't deserve three hots and a cot.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,603 posts)
5. They won't ever have to, because there are forever-tRumpers who will give them money
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 07:40 AM
Dec 2020

... give them money because the trumpanzees believe the tRumps are such accomplished business people.

Such is trumpanzee logic.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
12. And begging Mary for $$
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 09:55 AM
Dec 2020

Soxfan58

(3,479 posts)
22. .
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 12:55 PM
Dec 2020

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
19. Take ALL their money, including any future income, & give it to their victims.
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 11:58 AM
Dec 2020

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
10. Yep
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 08:51 AM
Dec 2020

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,603 posts)
2. Top scientists in charge of vaccine development said that tRump's WarpSpeed has not affected develop
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 07:13 AM
Dec 2020

has not affected development of vaccines. I think there may have been some speedup in manufacturing and possibly deployment.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
14. I guess I was wrong before. Thought for sure that Trump
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 10:00 AM
Dec 2020

would be intimately involved with deciding who gets the vaccine first. Thought it would have been a perfect campaign issue, say in Michigan. You want this man who made your governor beg for PPE in charge of who gets vaccine?

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,603 posts)
15. You're not far wrong, if at all. Be sure tRump would have exerted pressure on vaccine allocation. nt
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 10:15 AM
Dec 2020
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
25. But sounded like there was a set CDC committee that decided
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 01:27 PM
Dec 2020

On order, for first round anyway.

Dipshit very anxious to get vaccine moving. Just so he could get credit?

IsItJustMe

(7,012 posts)
16. Honestly, I don't believe t**** even knows what he is doing from day to day. If he can't figure it
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 10:32 AM
Dec 2020

out, no one else will be able to either. There is no plan here. Shit just happens. The only constant is that it is bad shit that is happening.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
26. Much easier than for the rest of us - being a full blown narcissist
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 01:32 PM
Dec 2020

Where we make decisions based on many factors and other people he just has one. How does something affect only him. Does it boost his ego? And can he make more $ by getting people to pay for something.

Reading Michael Cohen's book and he talks about how he worked for him for nothing at first. It was standard MO... To make it feel like it's an honor to work for the almighty one.

iluvtennis

(19,716 posts)
23. + agree. And the Pharma companies themselves have said the same thing, t-rump had nothing to do
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 01:00 PM
Dec 2020

with the R&D of the CV-19 vaccines. Thanks for your clarification.

True Blue American

(17,968 posts)
3. Rob Portman
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 07:16 AM
Dec 2020

Joined the trials a week or so ago. I applaud him for that.

NEOBuckeye

(2,777 posts)
7. Portman is worthless
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 08:08 AM
Dec 2020

But even a broken clock is right twice a day.

LittleWoman

(259 posts)
8. That was the least he could do
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 08:46 AM
Dec 2020

I told him that in a recent e-mail ( I am one of his constituents so I actually got an answer for whatever that is worth). I told him that it was a good thing to do, but it also is something anyone can do. He on the other hand has a voice as a Senator and could be doing so much more. For a start he could publicly acknowledge Joe Biden as President-elect and urge his fellow Republicans to do likewise.

True Blue American

(17,968 posts)
11. If you got a personal answer put him right up there with Sherrod Brown.
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 09:04 AM
Dec 2020

I might add a small note here. The vender who ran the Golden Lamb quit leaving the employees without pay. The Portman family paid their wages. Rob is a Republican but came from a well respected family in the southwest area. He needs to change parties.

oldsoftie

(12,376 posts)
6. Leadership even though none of them are in office anymore.
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 08:08 AM
Dec 2020

And VERY important, as so many folks dont trust the rushed vaccine.

SammyWinstonJack

(44,129 posts)
9. I prefer he rot in prison, either real or of his own making
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 08:50 AM
Dec 2020

tanyev

(42,276 posts)
13. I predict that Trump will say that's nothing compared to how he got Covid and triumphed over it.
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 09:58 AM
Dec 2020

Solly Mack

(90,730 posts)
17. If Trump was capable of shame, that would send him into permanent hiding.
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 10:55 AM
Dec 2020

That former holders of the oval have to step into provide leadership because Trump is not a leader nor has he ever been.

"The people" have basically governed themselves the last 4 years with direction from some of the more capable Governors around the country.

Not all of our fellow citizens were on board and they are still not now, but truly, the people have been without any presidential/federal leadership since 2017.

That lack of leadership has killed a couple hundred thousand (and rising), decimated entire segments of the economy - Covid-19 did not have to cause the financial ruin it has for many Americans and if the country had a real President and an ethical Senate majority, people would be in a lot better shape financially right now.

If the Republican Party was any kind of decent at all, they would have worked with the Democratic Party to help Americans through this horrible time.

Instead, money best spent helping the people went to cronies and family members.

Helping the people is the same as helping the country.

But Trump and McConnell don't care. Neither give two fucks at all.

BumRushDaShow

(126,616 posts)
18. "there are few signs that the current President is ready to call on the nation"
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 11:45 AM
Dec 2020

For ONCE why don't they stop giving benefit of the doubt. There are NO SIGNS. NONE. Period. End of sentence..

They keep doing the - "Well maybe he might..." or the "Perhaps he will finally..."

NO HE WILL NOT.

Hekate

(89,974 posts)
20. I take great comfort in this.That & the fact that the manufacturers &scientists refused to be rushed
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 12:15 PM
Dec 2020

...into a before-Nov 3 announcement that Trump desperately wanted for his personal political benefit.

RobinA

(9,862 posts)
21. Great Move
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 12:26 PM
Dec 2020

by these guys. Plus, it's gotta piss Donnie off. Two birds with one stone.

iluvtennis

(19,716 posts)
24. For Polio vaccinations back in the 50's Elvis Presley/other celebs helped educate the public.
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 01:07 PM
Dec 2020

PSPS

(13,483 posts)
27. The good old days, before the republicans hollowed out the government and it worked for the people
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 01:38 PM
Dec 2020

jmowreader

(50,419 posts)
28. I would much prefer Trump's family gets it first
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 01:39 PM
Dec 2020

If the vaccine, which was produced in a Manhattan Project-like rushed development, kills the bastard it will be no great loss.

If it doesn't kill him, then he won't be able to pass on his COVID to the rest of his cell block.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,530 posts)
29. "...sure to infuriate..."
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 01:51 PM
Dec 2020

This is terrible news for the White House Depends Valet. You'll recognize him by the 2 hazmat suits he wears.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,144 posts)
30. I'd like them to step up and get involved more. The nation needs the X-Presidents!
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 03:24 PM
Dec 2020

Omaha Steve

(98,870 posts)
31. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING
Thu Dec 3, 2020, 03:29 PM
Dec 2020

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