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Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:38 AM

Judge freezes voting machines in three Georgia counties

Source: Politico



The suit is one of two cases filed in federal courts last week by Sidney Powell, an outspoken Texas attorney.

By JOSH GERSTEIN

11/30/2020 08:20 AM EST

A judge assigned to a Republican-led lawsuit alleging widespread fraud in the presidential election in Georgia issued an order late Sunday night blocking plans to wipe or reset voting machines used in three counties in the state.

U.S. District Judge Timothy Batten Sr. revealed in his four-page directive that he held a hearing via Zoom Sunday evening on the suit — one of two cases filed in federal courts last week by Sidney Powell, an outspoken Texas attorney who joined President Donald Trump’s legal team earlier this month only to be dismissed from it a few days later.

The hearing was not announced on the court’s docket and appears not to have been open to the press or public. It seems to have focused on claims that the election results in Georgia were wildly inaccurate due to use of machines from a leading vendor of voting equipment — Dominion Election Systems.

Powell has alleged, based on scant evidence, that the firm’s foreign ties allowed hostile governments to meddle in the U.S. election via a conspiracy that involved both Democratic and Republican U.S. officials.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/30/judge-freezes-voting-machines-georgia-counties-441342

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Reply Judge freezes voting machines in three Georgia counties (Original post)
DonViejo Nov 30 OP
truthisfreedom Nov 30 #1
Muriel Nov 30 #29
exboyfil Nov 30 #2
KS Toronado Nov 30 #11
LisaL Nov 30 #16
lostnfound Nov 30 #19
IsItJustMe Nov 30 #24
oldsoftie Nov 30 #39
IsItJustMe Nov 30 #27
KS Toronado Nov 30 #32
LisaL Nov 30 #35
KS Toronado Nov 30 #58
LisaL Nov 30 #60
LiberalArkie Nov 30 #33
oldsoftie Nov 30 #41
LiberalArkie Nov 30 #42
dsc Nov 30 #50
Trueblue Texan Nov 30 #54
NCjack Nov 30 #64
thucythucy Nov 30 #3
bronxiteforever Nov 30 #7
patricia92243 Nov 30 #4
bronxiteforever Nov 30 #6
Evolve Dammit Nov 30 #30
The Jungle 1 Nov 30 #5
LisaL Nov 30 #8
Pobeka Nov 30 #12
wnylib Nov 30 #28
getagrip_already Nov 30 #43
wnylib Nov 30 #49
Mr.Bill Nov 30 #47
wiggs Nov 30 #9
lostnfound Nov 30 #22
karynnj Nov 30 #10
LisaL Nov 30 #13
karynnj Nov 30 #18
questionseverything Nov 30 #65
Nitram Nov 30 #14
LisaL Nov 30 #15
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 30 #37
getagrip_already Nov 30 #46
Nitram Nov 30 #66
patricia92243 Nov 30 #17
karynnj Nov 30 #20
Nitram Nov 30 #23
oldsoftie Nov 30 #45
bucolic_frolic Nov 30 #21
Nitram Nov 30 #26
still_one Nov 30 #25
thenelm1 Nov 30 #34
still_one Nov 30 #48
judesedit Nov 30 #31
Ilsa Nov 30 #36
RainCaster Nov 30 #38
c-rational Nov 30 #40
halfulglas Nov 30 #44
LizBeth Nov 30 #51
stillcool Nov 30 #57
LizBeth Nov 30 #63
Grimelle Nov 30 #52
iluvtennis Nov 30 #53
LisaL Nov 30 #59
UCmeNdc Nov 30 #55
LisaL Nov 30 #62
yankeepants Nov 30 #56
LisaL Nov 30 #61

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:41 AM

1. Sounds good to me. If they find alterations

It will all fall on the repukes from a great height.

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Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:32 AM

29. I doubt that.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:44 AM

2. Interesting precedent they are setting

Maybe we need to kick the tires on all the voting machines throughout the country.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:09 AM

11. To kick the tires on these machines, could we have someone vote 100 times?

48 for Biden, 48 for donnie, and 2 no votes, and then check the machines printout.
Believe we'll find they favor repugs.

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Response to KS Toronado (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:36 AM

16. Do you really think nobody tested the machines before using them?

Jeez.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:58 AM

19. The patch right before early voting, or night before Election Day?

Right before Early Voting
In a court document, Hursti says when Fulton updated its voting machines last week
"there was no inventory management present for the USB sticks";
"permitting the easy substitution of USB sticks containing malware";
He said he “observed repeated human errors” while “many workers were texting and making phone calls while working.”
Although the state has described the software upgrade as “routine,” Hursti says it’s much more than that.
"This is really a comparison of, if you are moving a little bit of furniture in your living room? Or you are moving load-bearing walls? This is a change moving load-bearing walls," Hursti said. "These kind of changes would need to be tested thoroughly.” And he says with early voting starting Monday, “that can’t happen.”.

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/elections/voting-machines-critics/85-e6f50404-3e60-43be-b194-4899f4e8309c


Election Day-
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/04/georgia-election-machine-glitch-434065

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/politics/elections/tech-issue-causes-voting-machines-in-spalding-county-to-go-down/85-1aa7d660-a2e3-441a-ab56-1ffeebc5adcf

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Response to lostnfound (Reply #19)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:09 AM

24. LOL I wonder how many votes they stole from Biden.

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Response to IsItJustMe (Reply #24)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:45 PM

39. In these counties it would be obvious if that were the case.

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Response to lostnfound (Reply #19)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:13 AM

27. They went judge shopping and it looks like they may have found one.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:50 AM

32. I'm sure they were tested before the election, nothing wrong with rechecking after the election,

to insure they weren't tampered with during the election.
We know repugs have cheating down to an art form.

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Response to KS Toronado (Reply #32)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:06 PM

35. And you think Sidney Powell is the perfect person to examine voting machines?

All righty then.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #35)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 02:47 PM

58. HELL NO, she's a tRumper, can't trust any tRumper!!!!!!!!!!!

Have no idea what you're reading into my words, please curb your imagination a little.

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Response to KS Toronado (Reply #58)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 02:54 PM

60. What do you think Sidney is suing for?

She wants to have her experts to examine the machines.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:55 AM

33. Maybe have another audit, this time on the senatorial races.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #33)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:47 PM

41. The last audit added votes to Perdue. But not enough.

Biden got over 100k more votes than Osoff i believe. The trumpers say THATS the evidence of tampering; I say its evidence of just how bad people wanted trump GONE. Republicans voting for Biden but GOP down ballot.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #41)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:50 PM

42. Just need to reaudit the audit until all the d's win or Georgia is bankrupt.

I see no problem with Trump loosing Georgia 5 or 10 more times.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #41)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 01:04 PM

50. that doesn't seem all that out of line

He outperformed our Senate candidate by around 30k in his loss in NC (we are one CD smaller than GA).

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 01:25 PM

54. I have a better idea:

Let's ban electronic voting machines and go back to paper ballots.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 03:38 PM

64. Yeah. Let's kick out the machine votes and count only the paper mail-in ballots.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:45 AM

3. "The hearing was not announced... and not open to the press or public."

What could be the justification for keeping such a hearing secret?

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:01 AM

7. +1

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:48 AM

4. The hearing was not announced on the court's docket and appears not to have been open to the press o

"The hearing was not announced on the court’s docket and appears not to have been open to the press or public."

Now THAT actually seems like something crooked is going on.

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Response to patricia92243 (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:01 AM

6. +1

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Response to patricia92243 (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:33 AM

30. certainly does. And probably is. Judge shopping pays off after 30 tries??

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:50 AM

5. Stop the squeal!!!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:03 AM

8. And for how long will the machines be "frozen"?

Run off elections are coming up, and early voting starts in two weeks.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:09 AM

12. Yep, this is about hamstringing the GA elections coming up I suspect.

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Response to Pobeka (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:25 AM

28. Or setting them up to favor

the Republican candidates in the runoff. Hope Stacey Abrams is on this.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:51 PM

43. more likely....

If the election can't be held before the terms expire, kemp could appoint senators to fill out the terms.

Who'd a thunk they would pull that one?

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #43)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 01:03 PM

49. They'll pull anything. Hard to anticipate

them when there is no limit to the crap they will come up with. There must be some way to fight this latest move.

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Response to Pobeka (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:59 PM

47. No problem.

They'll just close some polling places in Democratic areas.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:07 AM

9. Always suspected that they would plant evidence of tampering and then 'find' it

so fraud can be claimed. Don't know if Georgia is it...but smells.

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Response to wiggs (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:06 AM

22. Agreed. Nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:08 AM

10. Another reason to vote by mail if that deadline to get a ballot has not passed

One question I had, not answered by the article is how long the machines must be frozen. My mind immediately thought if 2004 where Ohio suppressed the vote by having very few voting machines in the major cities.

This seems to apply to 3 counties, two of which are Democratic. The third is a small Republican one. My question is whether they will all get a fair number of voting machines if theirs are still frozen.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:11 AM

13. If all of the voting machines in large counties are frozen, and voting starts in 2 weeks,

I really doubt they could get another set of voting machines in time.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:47 AM

18. This idiotic ruling needs to be appealed then - or the period they are frozen be limited

to a point where the machines could be cleaned and programmed for the run off.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 05:08 PM

65. Paper ballots are easy to print/count

There’s only the two senate races ,right?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:29 AM

14. Sounds like a reasonable action to me. Far more reasonable than erasing evidence inside the

machines. How could blocking the wipe of data from the voting machines be viewed as a bad thing at this point? Sometime before the next election would make more sense. New machines or an alternate voting procedure can be used instead for elections that are coming very soon.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:33 AM

15. Well, next election in GA is in two weeks (early voting starts in two weeks).

What do you propose they use to vote? Who is going to pay for the new voting machines?
Why is attorney from TX allowed to file a suit (she has no standing in GA elections, does she?)

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Response to LisaL (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:30 PM

37. Standing has to do with the plaintiff's place of residence, not their attorney's.

The attorney, however, must be admitted to the bar of the state the action has been filed in. To remedy that, out-of-state attorneys will add a member of the appropriate state bar to their legal team.

It also has to do with whether the person bringing the lawsuit has a tangible relationship with the cause of action. For example, someone who didn't register to vote might be found by the court to lack standing to bring an action which affects only the actual vote.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:55 PM

46. They can do what normally happens in digital forensics...

Remove the drives, make forensic copies, and have the fbi examine them.

Then simply put new drives into the machines and load new software. No impacts.

The machines themselves aren't magical, and it doesn't seem like they are under order. Just the drives/software.

Even if they want to impound the mainboards, the vendor should be able to replace those in quantity. Again, nothing magical in a computer operated voting machine.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #46)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:14 PM

66. Perfect solution. My only concern was preserving any potential evidence that supported either side.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:40 AM

17. It is the secrecy that is the problem - not open to public.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:02 AM

20. Chris Krebs, the cyber expert fired by Trump, was on yesterday's 60 minutes

From his comments and that of the GA (Republican) SOS, with this machine, you vote on a paper ballot that is then processed by the Dominion voting machine. The hand count that they had before the Trump requested recount found no big differences between from the original count.

Years ago, many of us were concerned about black box ( ie their process is proprietary and not available to be evaluated) voting machines with no paper trail intentionally distorting the results. There is a huge difference from that concern years ago and the completely baseless Powell claims.

The HAND RECOUNT of the paper votes IS the check that we wanted so many years ago. It has already been done.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:07 AM

23. Virginia, where I live, also scans a copy of every ballot before it is turned in. I was very worried

about the possibility of hacking or tampering with electronic voting machines, and was relieved that many states solved the problem by establishing a clear paper documentation of every vote.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:53 PM

45. The trumpers say that early ballots were accepted without sig. verification.

I'm still waiting to see proof of that.

Also, a friend said SHE knew 3 people who received ballots they didnt request & 2 dead who voted. Again, no proof to show. She said "they reported it". If THATS the case, then it seems like that would be news somewhere. And again, I've seen or heard nothing
Let Sidney & Lin & whoever have their day in court. And when they bring jack squat proof with them, toss 'em out on their asses and make a public report on their failures

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:03 AM

21. Irony is dead "Russia, if you're listening ...." & Rudy the Ukrainian Envoy

Foreign meddling? How about all the importing of meddling DJT?

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:12 AM

26. The same was true of the 2016 election. Clinton lost through a multiplicity of internal and

external factors including voter suppression in red states, FBI's Comey re-opening his investigation two weeks before the election, voter fraud of various kinds (such as that prosecuted in North Carolina), and Russian interference.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:10 AM

25. Sidney Powell needs to be disbarred

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Response to still_one (Reply #25)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:56 AM

34. And if was truly dismissed from the dump legal team...

does she have standing to continue to file lawsuits on his behalf?

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Response to thenelm1 (Reply #34)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 01:01 PM

48. Excellent point

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:43 AM

31. Please do. Expose the rigging for tRump.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:13 PM

36. Which counties? Let me guess:

Fulton, Cobb, & DeKalb?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:34 PM

38. Having a 100% paper election is perfect- the GOP will not be ble to dispute when they lose

They can whine all they like, but having a paper record will be indisputable. Recount it as many times as you like, there can be no dispute.

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #38)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:46 PM

40. Bingo. All this seditious talk by the dumpster should provide leverage for paper ballots and

mail-in.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:51 PM

44. Just a thought - are they checking just top of the ticket?

If they test machines and find - guess what - actually votes changing in favor of Republicans, can it change the down ballot voting that was for republican representatives was originally a vote for the dem?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 01:19 PM

51. This is what I have been considering with flip votes. Someone vote Biden, vote flipped for Trump,

won't the follow up paper verify a Trump vote? So how can anyone see if there are flips going on. I remember before it was said have paper receipts. Now I hear 92% of the machines have paper receipts. But, I do not see how that would prove one way or another.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #51)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 02:40 PM

57. never voted on one...

I don't get it. Vote on a computer, get a print-out like maybe an ATM receipt?, then give the receipt to?, and it's able to be hand-counted if necessary?
but this is encouraging....

(November 20, 2020) — “Georgia’s successful hand count marks a watershed for trustworthy elections in the state and nationally,” said Mark Lindeman, interim co-director. “Using Georgia’s new paper-based voting system, voters can check their ballots, and then election officials can review some or all of the ballots to confirm or correct the results. These practices let Georgia voters have greater confidence that their votes count. Verified Voting has advocated for secure and verifiable elections since our inception in 2004 and we will continue working to make our elections more resilient.”

This comprehensive review of five million ballots constitutes the largest hand count in recent U.S. history. The work was a mammoth undertaking, especially after implementing a new statewide voting system during a pandemic. Verified Voting salutes Georgia election officials and everyone who took part in the audit for their service to Georgia voters. The audit underscores our advice to Georgia voters: “check your ballots carefully – election officials will rely on them as the definitive record of your votes.”

Verified Voting assisted the Georgia secretary of state’s office and VotingWorks in planning the audit, and provided direct technical and procedural support for county election officials. The full hand count was a form of a risk-limiting audit. Ordinarily, risk-limiting audits entail manually reviewing a random sample of paper ballots, and are designed to provide strong statistical evidence that a full hand count would not change a reported election outcome. The size of the sample largely depends on the margin and the audit method. In Georgia, given the extreme closeness of the presidential election, it was more practical to hand-count all ballots than to audit a very large sample. This circumstance is unusual even in competitive elections.

The audit totals closely resemble the reported totals. The audit uncovered some isolated errors in the initial results, which are to be expected in the auditing process. Further evaluation of the audit will inform recommendations for process improvements for future elections and audits in Georgia.


https://verifiedvoting.org/statement-georgia-audit-comple

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Response to stillcool (Reply #57)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 03:15 PM

63. We do not get the receipt. And we would be the one to need one so we could verify it voted for who

we chose. We do not get the r4eceipt. They say paper because they can print a paper on the votes thru out the night. And if that matches what machine says, then thumbs up?

Verified Voting has advocated for secure and verifiable elections since our inception in 2004 and we will continue working to make our elections more resilient.”


This is it. This is what we need. Like Or, all thru the way I have easy verification of registered, the whole process thru received. That is very comforting. But yes, to be able to verify who the vote went to would let me, let this go. And I am all for letting go one of the many issues we have in this country. Lol. Thanks.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 01:21 PM

52. Mail-in ballots is the future

Which by the way republicans believe will be the end of the GOP.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 01:22 PM

53. Early voting begins on Dec 14th. Judge needs to get these machines checked out or replaced

before then. If not, then they will be disenfranchising voters in these counties.

Some smells here.

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #53)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 02:49 PM

59. Judges are not in charge of voting machines.

NT

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 01:55 PM

55. The judge should order that the senate elections on Jan 5th 2021 be all paper ballots.

Just paper ballots for everyone. (Mail In ballots and in person voting ballots.)

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #55)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 03:00 PM

62. These machines already print out paper ballots.

Which are then scanned.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 02:35 PM

56. I read something ealier on DU that this was recinded because

this is a State issue not a under federal jurisdiction.

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Response to yankeepants (Reply #56)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 02:55 PM

61. There were multiple lawsuits and hearings.

This article has the timeline.
"On November 29, Judge Timothy Batten Sr. released a court order against the wiping or altering of any Dominion software or data by local board of elections. The ruling appeared to apply to all 159 Georgia counties. A few hours later, he rescinded that order; then, at 10 p.m., Batten issued another order that prohibited destroying any software data in Cobb, Gwinnett, or Cherokee counties for ten days. The third order states that the defendants argued the secretary of State has no lawful authority over local elections officials. Defendants changed their request only to include Cobb, Gwinnett, and Cherokee."
https://fetchyournews.com/state-national/georgia-election-lawsuits-no-data-destruction/

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