Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:38 AM
DonViejo (57,866 posts)
Judge freezes voting machines in three Georgia counties
Source: Politico
The suit is one of two cases filed in federal courts last week by Sidney Powell, an outspoken Texas attorney. By JOSH GERSTEIN 11/30/2020 08:20 AM EST A judge assigned to a Republican-led lawsuit alleging widespread fraud in the presidential election in Georgia issued an order late Sunday night blocking plans to wipe or reset voting machines used in three counties in the state. U.S. District Judge Timothy Batten Sr. revealed in his four-page directive that he held a hearing via Zoom Sunday evening on the suit — one of two cases filed in federal courts last week by Sidney Powell, an outspoken Texas attorney who joined President Donald Trump’s legal team earlier this month only to be dismissed from it a few days later. The hearing was not announced on the court’s docket and appears not to have been open to the press or public. It seems to have focused on claims that the election results in Georgia were wildly inaccurate due to use of machines from a leading vendor of voting equipment — Dominion Election Systems. Powell has alleged, based on scant evidence, that the firm’s foreign ties allowed hostile governments to meddle in the U.S. election via a conspiracy that involved both Democratic and Republican U.S. officials. Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/30/judge-freezes-voting-machines-georgia-counties-441342
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DonViejo | Nov 30 | OP |
truthisfreedom | Nov 30 | #1 | |
Muriel | Nov 30 | #29 | |
exboyfil | Nov 30 | #2 | |
KS Toronado | Nov 30 | #11 | |
LisaL | Nov 30 | #16 | |
lostnfound | Nov 30 | #19 | |
IsItJustMe | Nov 30 | #24 | |
oldsoftie | Nov 30 | #39 | |
IsItJustMe | Nov 30 | #27 | |
KS Toronado | Nov 30 | #32 | |
LisaL | Nov 30 | #35 | |
KS Toronado | Nov 30 | #58 | |
LisaL | Nov 30 | #60 | |
LiberalArkie | Nov 30 | #33 | |
oldsoftie | Nov 30 | #41 | |
LiberalArkie | Nov 30 | #42 | |
dsc | Nov 30 | #50 | |
Trueblue Texan | Nov 30 | #54 | |
NCjack | Nov 30 | #64 | |
thucythucy | Nov 30 | #3 | |
bronxiteforever | Nov 30 | #7 | |
patricia92243 | Nov 30 | #4 | |
bronxiteforever | Nov 30 | #6 | |
Evolve Dammit | Nov 30 | #30 | |
The Jungle 1 | Nov 30 | #5 | |
LisaL | Nov 30 | #8 | |
Pobeka | Nov 30 | #12 | |
wnylib | Nov 30 | #28 | |
getagrip_already | Nov 30 | #43 | |
wnylib | Nov 30 | #49 | |
Mr.Bill | Nov 30 | #47 | |
wiggs | Nov 30 | #9 | |
lostnfound | Nov 30 | #22 | |
karynnj | Nov 30 | #10 | |
LisaL | Nov 30 | #13 | |
karynnj | Nov 30 | #18 | |
questionseverything | Nov 30 | #65 | |
Nitram | Nov 30 | #14 | |
LisaL | Nov 30 | #15 | |
LastLiberal in PalmSprings | Nov 30 | #37 | |
getagrip_already | Nov 30 | #46 | |
Nitram | Nov 30 | #66 | |
patricia92243 | Nov 30 | #17 | |
karynnj | Nov 30 | #20 | |
Nitram | Nov 30 | #23 | |
oldsoftie | Nov 30 | #45 | |
bucolic_frolic | Nov 30 | #21 | |
Nitram | Nov 30 | #26 | |
still_one | Nov 30 | #25 | |
thenelm1 | Nov 30 | #34 | |
still_one | Nov 30 | #48 | |
judesedit | Nov 30 | #31 | |
Ilsa | Nov 30 | #36 | |
RainCaster | Nov 30 | #38 | |
c-rational | Nov 30 | #40 | |
halfulglas | Nov 30 | #44 | |
LizBeth | Nov 30 | #51 | |
stillcool | Nov 30 | #57 | |
LizBeth | Nov 30 | #63 | |
Grimelle | Nov 30 | #52 | |
iluvtennis | Nov 30 | #53 | |
LisaL | Nov 30 | #59 | |
UCmeNdc | Nov 30 | #55 | |
LisaL | Nov 30 | #62 | |
yankeepants | Nov 30 | #56 | |
LisaL | Nov 30 | #61 |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:41 AM
truthisfreedom (22,449 posts)
1. Sounds good to me. If they find alterations
It will all fall on the repukes from a great height.
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Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #1)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:32 AM
Muriel (14 posts)
29. I doubt that.
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:44 AM
exboyfil (15,411 posts)
2. Interesting precedent they are setting
Maybe we need to kick the tires on all the voting machines throughout the country.
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Response to exboyfil (Reply #2)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:09 AM
KS Toronado (2,167 posts)
11. To kick the tires on these machines, could we have someone vote 100 times?
48 for Biden, 48 for donnie, and 2 no votes, and then check the machines printout.
Believe we'll find they favor repugs. |
Response to KS Toronado (Reply #11)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:36 AM
LisaL (39,576 posts)
16. Do you really think nobody tested the machines before using them?
Jeez.
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Response to LisaL (Reply #16)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:58 AM
lostnfound (14,723 posts)
19. The patch right before early voting, or night before Election Day?
Right before Early Voting
In a court document, Hursti says when Fulton updated its voting machines last week
"there was no inventory management present for the USB sticks"; "permitting the easy substitution of USB sticks containing malware"; He said he “observed repeated human errors” while “many workers were texting and making phone calls while working.” Although the state has described the software upgrade as “routine,” Hursti says it’s much more than that. "This is really a comparison of, if you are moving a little bit of furniture in your living room? Or you are moving load-bearing walls? This is a change moving load-bearing walls," Hursti said. "These kind of changes would need to be tested thoroughly.” And he says with early voting starting Monday, “that can’t happen.”. https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/elections/voting-machines-critics/85-e6f50404-3e60-43be-b194-4899f4e8309c Election Day- https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/04/georgia-election-machine-glitch-434065 https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/politics/elections/tech-issue-causes-voting-machines-in-spalding-county-to-go-down/85-1aa7d660-a2e3-441a-ab56-1ffeebc5adcf |
Response to lostnfound (Reply #19)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:09 AM
IsItJustMe (6,960 posts)
24. LOL I wonder how many votes they stole from Biden.
Response to IsItJustMe (Reply #24)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:45 PM
oldsoftie (5,378 posts)
39. In these counties it would be obvious if that were the case.
Response to lostnfound (Reply #19)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:13 AM
IsItJustMe (6,960 posts)
27. They went judge shopping and it looks like they may have found one.
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Response to LisaL (Reply #16)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:50 AM
KS Toronado (2,167 posts)
32. I'm sure they were tested before the election, nothing wrong with rechecking after the election,
to insure they weren't tampered with during the election.
We know repugs have cheating down to an art form. |
Response to KS Toronado (Reply #32)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:06 PM
LisaL (39,576 posts)
35. And you think Sidney Powell is the perfect person to examine voting machines?
All righty then.
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Response to LisaL (Reply #35)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 02:47 PM
KS Toronado (2,167 posts)
58. HELL NO, she's a tRumper, can't trust any tRumper!!!!!!!!!!!
Have no idea what you're reading into my words, please curb your imagination a little.
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Response to KS Toronado (Reply #58)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 02:54 PM
LisaL (39,576 posts)
60. What do you think Sidney is suing for?
She wants to have her experts to examine the machines.
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Response to exboyfil (Reply #2)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:55 AM
LiberalArkie (13,909 posts)
33. Maybe have another audit, this time on the senatorial races.
Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #33)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:47 PM
oldsoftie (5,378 posts)
41. The last audit added votes to Perdue. But not enough.
Biden got over 100k more votes than Osoff i believe. The trumpers say THATS the evidence of tampering; I say its evidence of just how bad people wanted trump GONE. Republicans voting for Biden but GOP down ballot.
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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #41)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:50 PM
LiberalArkie (13,909 posts)
42. Just need to reaudit the audit until all the d's win or Georgia is bankrupt.
I see no problem with Trump loosing Georgia 5 or 10 more times.
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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #41)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 01:04 PM
dsc (49,323 posts)
50. that doesn't seem all that out of line
He outperformed our Senate candidate by around 30k in his loss in NC (we are one CD smaller than GA).
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Response to exboyfil (Reply #2)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 01:25 PM
Trueblue Texan (1,114 posts)
54. I have a better idea:
Let's ban electronic voting machines and go back to paper ballots.
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Response to exboyfil (Reply #2)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 03:38 PM
NCjack (8,060 posts)
64. Yeah. Let's kick out the machine votes and count only the paper mail-in ballots.
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:45 AM
thucythucy (5,484 posts)
3. "The hearing was not announced... and not open to the press or public."
What could be the justification for keeping such a hearing secret?
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:48 AM
patricia92243 (11,580 posts)
4. The hearing was not announced on the court's docket and appears not to have been open to the press o
"The hearing was not announced on the court’s docket and appears not to have been open to the press or public."
Now THAT actually seems like something crooked is going on. |
Response to patricia92243 (Reply #4)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:33 AM
Evolve Dammit (4,401 posts)
30. certainly does. And probably is. Judge shopping pays off after 30 tries??
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:50 AM
The Jungle 1 (423 posts)
5. Stop the squeal!!!
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:03 AM
LisaL (39,576 posts)
8. And for how long will the machines be "frozen"?
Run off elections are coming up, and early voting starts in two weeks.
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Response to LisaL (Reply #8)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:09 AM
Pobeka (3,087 posts)
12. Yep, this is about hamstringing the GA elections coming up I suspect.
Response to Pobeka (Reply #12)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:25 AM
wnylib (4,871 posts)
28. Or setting them up to favor
the Republican candidates in the runoff. Hope Stacey Abrams is on this.
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Response to wnylib (Reply #28)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:51 PM
getagrip_already (6,768 posts)
43. more likely....
If the election can't be held before the terms expire, kemp could appoint senators to fill out the terms.
Who'd a thunk they would pull that one? |
Response to getagrip_already (Reply #43)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 01:03 PM
wnylib (4,871 posts)
49. They'll pull anything. Hard to anticipate
them when there is no limit to the crap they will come up with. There must be some way to fight this latest move.
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Response to Pobeka (Reply #12)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:59 PM
Mr.Bill (10,809 posts)
47. No problem.
They'll just close some polling places in Democratic areas.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:07 AM
wiggs (6,543 posts)
9. Always suspected that they would plant evidence of tampering and then 'find' it
so fraud can be claimed. Don't know if Georgia is it...but smells.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:08 AM
karynnj (58,314 posts)
10. Another reason to vote by mail if that deadline to get a ballot has not passed
One question I had, not answered by the article is how long the machines must be frozen. My mind immediately thought if 2004 where Ohio suppressed the vote by having very few voting machines in the major cities.
This seems to apply to 3 counties, two of which are Democratic. The third is a small Republican one. My question is whether they will all get a fair number of voting machines if theirs are still frozen. |
Response to karynnj (Reply #10)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:11 AM
LisaL (39,576 posts)
13. If all of the voting machines in large counties are frozen, and voting starts in 2 weeks,
I really doubt they could get another set of voting machines in time.
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Response to LisaL (Reply #13)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:47 AM
karynnj (58,314 posts)
18. This idiotic ruling needs to be appealed then - or the period they are frozen be limited
to a point where the machines could be cleaned and programmed for the run off.
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Response to LisaL (Reply #13)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 05:08 PM
questionseverything (6,706 posts)
65. Paper ballots are easy to print/count
There’s only the two senate races ,right?
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:29 AM
Nitram (16,046 posts)
14. Sounds like a reasonable action to me. Far more reasonable than erasing evidence inside the
machines. How could blocking the wipe of data from the voting machines be viewed as a bad thing at this point? Sometime before the next election would make more sense. New machines or an alternate voting procedure can be used instead for elections that are coming very soon.
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Response to Nitram (Reply #14)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:33 AM
LisaL (39,576 posts)
15. Well, next election in GA is in two weeks (early voting starts in two weeks).
What do you propose they use to vote? Who is going to pay for the new voting machines?
Why is attorney from TX allowed to file a suit (she has no standing in GA elections, does she?) |
Response to LisaL (Reply #15)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:30 PM
LastLiberal in PalmSprings (11,080 posts)
37. Standing has to do with the plaintiff's place of residence, not their attorney's.
The attorney, however, must be admitted to the bar of the state the action has been filed in. To remedy that, out-of-state attorneys will add a member of the appropriate state bar to their legal team.
It also has to do with whether the person bringing the lawsuit has a tangible relationship with the cause of action. For example, someone who didn't register to vote might be found by the court to lack standing to bring an action which affects only the actual vote. |
Response to LisaL (Reply #15)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:55 PM
getagrip_already (6,768 posts)
46. They can do what normally happens in digital forensics...
Remove the drives, make forensic copies, and have the fbi examine them.
Then simply put new drives into the machines and load new software. No impacts. The machines themselves aren't magical, and it doesn't seem like they are under order. Just the drives/software. Even if they want to impound the mainboards, the vendor should be able to replace those in quantity. Again, nothing magical in a computer operated voting machine. |
Response to getagrip_already (Reply #46)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:14 PM
Nitram (16,046 posts)
66. Perfect solution. My only concern was preserving any potential evidence that supported either side.
Response to Nitram (Reply #14)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:40 AM
patricia92243 (11,580 posts)
17. It is the secrecy that is the problem - not open to public.
Response to Nitram (Reply #14)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:02 AM
karynnj (58,314 posts)
20. Chris Krebs, the cyber expert fired by Trump, was on yesterday's 60 minutes
From his comments and that of the GA (Republican) SOS, with this machine, you vote on a paper ballot that is then processed by the Dominion voting machine. The hand count that they had before the Trump requested recount found no big differences between from the original count.
Years ago, many of us were concerned about black box ( ie their process is proprietary and not available to be evaluated) voting machines with no paper trail intentionally distorting the results. There is a huge difference from that concern years ago and the completely baseless Powell claims. The HAND RECOUNT of the paper votes IS the check that we wanted so many years ago. It has already been done. |
Response to karynnj (Reply #20)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:07 AM
Nitram (16,046 posts)
23. Virginia, where I live, also scans a copy of every ballot before it is turned in. I was very worried
about the possibility of hacking or tampering with electronic voting machines, and was relieved that many states solved the problem by establishing a clear paper documentation of every vote.
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Response to karynnj (Reply #20)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:53 PM
oldsoftie (5,378 posts)
45. The trumpers say that early ballots were accepted without sig. verification.
I'm still waiting to see proof of that.
Also, a friend said SHE knew 3 people who received ballots they didnt request & 2 dead who voted. Again, no proof to show. She said "they reported it". If THATS the case, then it seems like that would be news somewhere. And again, I've seen or heard nothing Let Sidney & Lin & whoever have their day in court. And when they bring jack squat proof with them, toss 'em out on their asses and make a public report on their failures |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:03 AM
bucolic_frolic (22,491 posts)
21. Irony is dead "Russia, if you're listening ...." & Rudy the Ukrainian Envoy
Foreign meddling? How about all the importing of meddling DJT?
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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #21)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:12 AM
Nitram (16,046 posts)
26. The same was true of the 2016 election. Clinton lost through a multiplicity of internal and
external factors including voter suppression in red states, FBI's Comey re-opening his investigation two weeks before the election, voter fraud of various kinds (such as that prosecuted in North Carolina), and Russian interference.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:10 AM
still_one (76,341 posts)
25. Sidney Powell needs to be disbarred
Response to still_one (Reply #25)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:56 AM
thenelm1 (309 posts)
34. And if was truly dismissed from the dump legal team...
does she have standing to continue to file lawsuits on his behalf?
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Response to thenelm1 (Reply #34)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 01:01 PM
still_one (76,341 posts)
48. Excellent point
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 11:43 AM
judesedit (2,446 posts)
31. Please do. Expose the rigging for tRump.
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:13 PM
Ilsa (57,340 posts)
36. Which counties? Let me guess:
Fulton, Cobb, & DeKalb?
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:34 PM
RainCaster (6,885 posts)
38. Having a 100% paper election is perfect- the GOP will not be ble to dispute when they lose
They can whine all they like, but having a paper record will be indisputable. Recount it as many times as you like, there can be no dispute.
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Response to RainCaster (Reply #38)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:46 PM
c-rational (1,483 posts)
40. Bingo. All this seditious talk by the dumpster should provide leverage for paper ballots and
mail-in.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 12:51 PM
halfulglas (213 posts)
44. Just a thought - are they checking just top of the ticket?
If they test machines and find - guess what - actually votes changing in favor of Republicans, can it change the down ballot voting that was for republican representatives was originally a vote for the dem?
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 01:19 PM
LizBeth (7,200 posts)
51. This is what I have been considering with flip votes. Someone vote Biden, vote flipped for Trump,
won't the follow up paper verify a Trump vote? So how can anyone see if there are flips going on. I remember before it was said have paper receipts. Now I hear 92% of the machines have paper receipts. But, I do not see how that would prove one way or another.
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Response to LizBeth (Reply #51)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 02:40 PM
stillcool (30,844 posts)
57. never voted on one...
I don't get it. Vote on a computer, get a print-out like maybe an ATM receipt?, then give the receipt to?, and it's able to be hand-counted if necessary?
but this is encouraging.... (November 20, 2020) — “Georgia’s successful hand count marks a watershed for trustworthy elections in the state and nationally,” said Mark Lindeman, interim co-director. “Using Georgia’s new paper-based voting system, voters can check their ballots, and then election officials can review some or all of the ballots to confirm or correct the results. These practices let Georgia voters have greater confidence that their votes count. Verified Voting has advocated for secure and verifiable elections since our inception in 2004 and we will continue working to make our elections more resilient.” This comprehensive review of five million ballots constitutes the largest hand count in recent U.S. history. The work was a mammoth undertaking, especially after implementing a new statewide voting system during a pandemic. Verified Voting salutes Georgia election officials and everyone who took part in the audit for their service to Georgia voters. The audit underscores our advice to Georgia voters: “check your ballots carefully – election officials will rely on them as the definitive record of your votes.” Verified Voting assisted the Georgia secretary of state’s office and VotingWorks in planning the audit, and provided direct technical and procedural support for county election officials. The full hand count was a form of a risk-limiting audit. Ordinarily, risk-limiting audits entail manually reviewing a random sample of paper ballots, and are designed to provide strong statistical evidence that a full hand count would not change a reported election outcome. The size of the sample largely depends on the margin and the audit method. In Georgia, given the extreme closeness of the presidential election, it was more practical to hand-count all ballots than to audit a very large sample. This circumstance is unusual even in competitive elections. The audit totals closely resemble the reported totals. The audit uncovered some isolated errors in the initial results, which are to be expected in the auditing process. Further evaluation of the audit will inform recommendations for process improvements for future elections and audits in Georgia. https://verifiedvoting.org/statement-georgia-audit-comple |
Response to stillcool (Reply #57)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 03:15 PM
LizBeth (7,200 posts)
63. We do not get the receipt. And we would be the one to need one so we could verify it voted for who
we chose. We do not get the r4eceipt. They say paper because they can print a paper on the votes thru out the night. And if that matches what machine says, then thumbs up?
Verified Voting has advocated for secure and verifiable elections since our inception in 2004 and we will continue working to make our elections more resilient.”
This is it. This is what we need. Like Or, all thru the way I have easy verification of registered, the whole process thru received. That is very comforting. But yes, to be able to verify who the vote went to would let me, let this go. And I am all for letting go one of the many issues we have in this country. Lol. Thanks. |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 01:21 PM
Grimelle (122 posts)
52. Mail-in ballots is the future
Which by the way republicans believe will be the end of the GOP.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 01:22 PM
iluvtennis (14,694 posts)
53. Early voting begins on Dec 14th. Judge needs to get these machines checked out or replaced
before then. If not, then they will be disenfranchising voters in these counties.
Some smells here. |
Response to iluvtennis (Reply #53)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 02:49 PM
LisaL (39,576 posts)
59. Judges are not in charge of voting machines.
NT
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 01:55 PM
UCmeNdc (8,156 posts)
55. The judge should order that the senate elections on Jan 5th 2021 be all paper ballots.
Just paper ballots for everyone. (Mail In ballots and in person voting ballots.)
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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #55)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 03:00 PM
LisaL (39,576 posts)
62. These machines already print out paper ballots.
Which are then scanned.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 02:35 PM
yankeepants (1,846 posts)
56. I read something ealier on DU that this was recinded because
this is a State issue not a under federal jurisdiction.
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Response to yankeepants (Reply #56)
Mon Nov 30, 2020, 02:55 PM
LisaL (39,576 posts)
61. There were multiple lawsuits and hearings.
This article has the timeline.
"On November 29, Judge Timothy Batten Sr. released a court order against the wiping or altering of any Dominion software or data by local board of elections. The ruling appeared to apply to all 159 Georgia counties. A few hours later, he rescinded that order; then, at 10 p.m., Batten issued another order that prohibited destroying any software data in Cobb, Gwinnett, or Cherokee counties for ten days. The third order states that the defendants argued the secretary of State has no lawful authority over local elections officials. Defendants changed their request only to include Cobb, Gwinnett, and Cherokee." https://fetchyournews.com/state-national/georgia-election-lawsuits-no-data-destruction/ |