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Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:15 PM

U.S. Justice Alito Says Pandemic Has Led To Unimaginable Curbs On Liberty

Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - U.S. Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito said the COVID-19 pandemic had led to “previously unimaginable” curbs on individual liberty, singling out restrictions on religious events. The justice, who is seen as a conservative, told a meeting of the Federalist Society late on Thursday he was not underplaying the severity of the crisis or criticizing any officials for their response.

But he added: “We have never before seen restrictions as severe, extensive and prolonged as those experienced for most of 2020.” "The COVID crisis has served as sort of a constitutional stress test," he said during his address over a video link for the conservative organization's annual conference. “Think of worship services! Churches closed on Easter Sunday, synagogues closed for Passover in Yom Kippur”, he said. “It pains me to say this,” Alito added, “but in certain quarters, religious liberty is fast becoming a disfavored right.”

The justice said freedom of speech was also under threat. “Although that freedom is falling out of favor in some circles, we need to do whatever we can to prevent it from becoming a second-tier constitutional right,” he said. Alito’s remarks on free speech echoed his words from 2016 at the same event when he referred to college campus culture that conservatives say stifles free speech to avoid offending political sensibilities on matters such as gender, race and religion.

Social norms had created a list of things that was now unacceptable for students, professors and employees to say, he added on Thursday. “You can’t say that marriage is a union between one man and one woman”, he added. “Until very recently that’s what a vast majority of Americans thought. Now its considered bigotry.”

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-supremecourt/u-s-justice-alito-says-pandemic-has-led-to-unimaginable-curbs-on-liberty-idUSKBN27T0LD

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appalachiablue Nov 13 OP
muntrv Nov 13 #1
Squinch Nov 13 #2
Polybius Nov 13 #5
sandensea Nov 13 #50
IronLionZion Nov 13 #8
paleotn Nov 13 #44
atreides1 Nov 13 #3
Polybius Nov 13 #4
rockfordfile Nov 13 #6
NRaleighLiberal Nov 13 #7
Blue Owl Nov 13 #9
empedocles Nov 13 #10
lagomorph777 Nov 13 #45
Laelth Nov 13 #11
Mustellus Nov 13 #12
Red Mountain Nov 13 #76
groundloop Nov 13 #13
Dawson Leery Nov 13 #14
Grins Nov 13 #43
OAITW r.2.0 Nov 13 #15
chowder66 Nov 13 #28
milestogo Nov 13 #16
Lonestarblue Nov 13 #17
Lonestarblue Nov 13 #18
Initech Nov 13 #19
former9thward Nov 13 #69
bluestarone Nov 13 #20
Midnight Writer Nov 13 #21
catbyte Nov 13 #22
ashredux Nov 13 #23
Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 13 #24
Marthe48 Nov 13 #25
droidamus2 Nov 13 #26
bucolic_frolic Nov 13 #27
steve2470 Nov 13 #29
LudwigPastorius Nov 13 #30
still_one Nov 13 #31
ellie Nov 13 #32
SunSeeker Nov 13 #40
progree Nov 13 #33
orleans Nov 13 #34
LiberalFighter Nov 13 #35
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58Sunliner Nov 13 #37
SunSeeker Nov 13 #38
orwell Nov 13 #39
SunSeeker Nov 13 #61
usaf-vet Nov 13 #41
paleotn Nov 13 #42
Yeehah Nov 13 #46
Grins Nov 13 #47
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Judi Lynn Nov 13 #49
appalachiablue Nov 13 #64
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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:17 PM

1. Hey Sam! Cough cough achoo achoo!

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:17 PM

2. How embarassing that this imbecile is on our Supreme Court. I don't remember him complaining

after 9/11 when all that Patriot Act bullshit got passed.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:19 PM

5. He wasn't on the SC until 2005

But that should have been struck down 9-0. Did it ever even go to court?

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Response to Polybius (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 04:22 PM

50. No judge dared to take it up

Treason doth never prosper...

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Response to Squinch (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:21 PM

8. Because people with names like Alito weren't impacted nearly as much

as brown people. There are even some on DU who support racial profiling at airports even though it has been proven to be for show and does nothing for security. People like having the perception of security as long as it impacts someone else.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 03:54 PM

44. Bingo!!

Ole Sam is like the pigs in Animal Farm. THEIR "first tier" constitutional rights are more constitutional than the rights of anyone else. And like most "rights" wankers, Sam doesn't seem to understand that his rights end precisely where the rights of others begin. More libertarian lunacy from the lunatic society.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:17 PM

3. He's kind of stupid!

He might want to brush up on history...like what happened during WWII!

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:19 PM

4. A national shutdown seems like it may be off the table

First, wouldn't it have to pass the Senate too? Even if it does (or it can be done by an executive order), I think it may be struck down by the SC.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:20 PM

6. you can see what that pos is up to

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:20 PM

7. what a fucking ignorant asshole. He shouldn't even be allowed to clean

the court toilets.

Deplorable scum.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:21 PM

9. Nope -- Trump's MISHANDLING of the pandemic led to these 'unimaginable' curbs on liberty

Look at the other countries that took the right steps and compare with the botch job Dumbed-Down Donny did...

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:25 PM

10. Fight for the right to infect others with Covid














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Response to empedocles (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 03:55 PM

45. Life, Liberty, and the Purfuit of happineff.

Which of those is listed first, Sammy?

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:25 PM

11. No government made any of those liberty restrictions permanent.

Generally speaking, they didn’t keep them in place long enough to effectively combat the pandemic. They may have to be re-instituted as a result.

With all due respect, Justice Alito, your concerns are noted.



-Laelth

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:26 PM

12. Where is Darwin when you need him......

Oh, wait. The Invisible Hand of Evolution (TM) (C) is always at work. As conservatives prepare to die for their Free Dumb.

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Response to Mustellus (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 08:15 PM

76. the virus evolves far more quickly than we can

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:26 PM

13. He'd have a point IF it were only religious gatherings being restricted..... but it's not.

And of course we mustn't forget that we'd be FAR better off right now in regards to the pandemic if people would just fucking wear a mask, but tRump has made mask wearing into a political statement.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:27 PM

14. Sammy the Bull has been deferential when it comes to the governments

power to spy on the citizens. So he is full of it when he complains about the loss of liberty.
The only liberty for he is that of white, traditional Christians.

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Response to Dawson Leery (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 03:53 PM

43. Better (and actually) known as "Strip-search Sammy"

You can Google it!!!

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:30 PM

15. Explain that to the 1/4 Million Americans who have lost their most important liberty....their lives.

True patriotism would have been for all Americans to heed the science ....had we all done that, we would have defeated the virus months ago and all of those precious liberties would have been totally restored.

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 02:29 PM

28. +1

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:33 PM

16. Charge him with hyperbole and lock him up.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:34 PM

17. Unfortunately Alito is only 70.

He could be on the court another 15+ years! If we do not win both of the Georgia Senate seats, we need to get at least two seats in 2022. Otherwise, McConnell will cause gridlock and refuse to cooperate on anything, including must-pass budget bills. He will bet that Biden would not shut down the government to get what he wants, and probably be right.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:35 PM

19. Um... this isn't the first time we've been in a major pandemic like this!

See: 1918 - 1920 and we're basically doing most of the same things they did back then. Ugh... the stupid hurts!

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Response to Initech (Reply #19)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 06:34 PM

69. There was no national shut down for that pandemic.

In fact, President Wilson, did not mention the disease even once. Everything was left up to localities.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:37 PM

20. This FUCKER needs to be forced to work in a COVID hospital or Nursing home.

To OBSERVE what medical staff are enduring EVERY DAY! What a heartless bastard!!!!!

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:38 PM

21. He's as crazy as a Trump. Sounds like a Hate Radio addict.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:46 PM

22. Hell, wearing clothes is much more restrictive and an "unimaginable curb on liberty." To follow his

bullshit argument to its logical conclusion, we should abolish all public indecency laws and let it all hang out. And forget seatbelts, smoking bans, and auto insurance, among a myriad of other public health & safety laws.

Obtuse asshole.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:49 PM

23. His arguments could be used to describe America during WWII....

You had to even have a coupon book stamp to buy sugar! My Freedom!!!

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:50 PM

24. It only follows that the Spanish Inquisition was simply a robust example

of people exercising their religious liberty, according to Alito's twisted logic thought processes.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 02:14 PM

25. Glad I'm a Quaker

God is whereever I think of him. I don't need a building or other people to feel the connection to my faith. Or my religion.

And I blame every r, every conservative for the continuing abridgement of my other rights. The right would be happy to see every liberal pinned to a board like a butterfly.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 02:17 PM

26. How can a Supreme Court justice be that stupid?

I know of no government agency that is limiting church services specifically because they are religious in nature. They are restricting them because it is a bunch of people in an enclosed space that causes a danger of spreading a deadly virus. It is that simple. I get real tired of people using their religion as a cover for ignoring the laws of this country. Do I think religious people should not be able to believe and practice their religions, no, but I do have a problem with them taking their personal beliefs, for example about same sex marriage, and then hiding behind their religion to cover up their bigotry. The idea of 'a strongly held religious belief' has been so stretched out of shape it has just become 'I am religious and I have strongly held beliefs therefore all those beliefs are religious'. Doesn't always add up to me.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 02:23 PM

27. The dead aren't breathing or worshiping anymore either

how's that for lack of freedom?

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 02:32 PM

29. So Judge Alito, the only acceptable public policy is herd immunity ?

What about that part of the Constitution that reads:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
(bolding mine)

I guess you forgot about that part, huh ?

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 02:40 PM

30. Re: "Social norms" infringing on free speech


People are just as free as they ever were to shout whatever disgusting slur, or flaming, bigoted opinion at the top of their fucking lungs, Sammy. (see: Trump supporters)

But, the rest of decent society is absolutely free to shun them, or fire them from their companies and institutions for being assholes. You know...like you?

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 02:42 PM

31. More like Alito has led to Unimaginable Curbs On Liberty

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 02:48 PM

32. How is this goofus

on the Supreme Court? Jesus.

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Response to ellie (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 03:25 PM

40. He was appointed by a goofus (Dubya). And squeaked by on a partisan confirmation vote. nt

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 02:49 PM

33. Not a lot of liberty when intubated, strapped down, and on a ventilator either. Or dead. /nt

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 02:55 PM

34. restrictions on social liberty due to covid???

BLAME TRUMP
alito won't.
but i do!

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 02:58 PM

35. Did the attendees wear face masks?

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 03:10 PM

36. poor, poor, put upon xtians....

things is changing sammy, do try and keep up.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 03:14 PM

37. Fuck your feelings and your oppressive beliefs, sir.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 03:22 PM

38. No, TRUMP caused these curbs because he didn't control the pandemic!

South Korea never had to shut down their businesses because they immediately implemented mass testing, contact tracing and targeted quarantines of the ill. They had a competent national leader, we didn't. 300,000 Americans are about to die because of Trump's malignant negligence.

And you're worried about bans on indoor gatherings without "justification"?

Fuck you Alito!

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 03:24 PM

39. Because the only place you can talk to "god"...

...is in one of the buildings where other "holy xtians" congregate. "God" would want you to risk the lives of your fellow congregants because worship is a dangerous enterprise.

"Blessed are those that kill their fellow worshipers who do so in the service of an invisible imaginary God."
- the Book of Alito 9:11

All the better to fleece the "flockers" of their hard earned filthy lucre and use masshole intimidation tactics so powerful among herd animals.

This type of "religious liberty" is more akin to religious tyranny.

I can't wait until he meets his maker and she tells him to go fuck off...

What a pathetic clown...

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Response to orwell (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 05:18 PM

61. Apparently his God is not omnipresent...and is quite hard of hearing.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 03:43 PM

41. Hey Sammy who's F**ing fault is that. I know, I know it's CHI..NA!

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 03:48 PM

42. OK, Sam. I'm going to exercise my FIRST TIER constitutional rights....

I'm going to head over to your church on Sunday morning and during the height of the service, march to the front and loudly proclaim you're all a bunch of magical thinking wankers. And then go on a long screed about how your particular brand of magical thinking is destroying the planet and is an existential threat to human survival.

Like I've said before....Freedom? Freedom to do what?

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 03:55 PM

46. This asshole is unqualified to argue a case in traffic court

and he's on the goddamned Supreme Court.

The USA is fucked up beyond recognition.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 03:57 PM

47. "...religious liberty is fast becoming a disfavored right."

More like a disfavored and over-privileged right.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 04:01 PM

48. The ultimate curb on liberty is death, and few emerge unscathed

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 04:14 PM

49. Samuel should ask for his wife to come cry for oppressed Samuel, as before, to get sympathy for him.

Not too sure he could have made it without his longsuffering missus closeby to work the onlookers:







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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #49)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 05:31 PM

64. What was the sad occasion? Those 3 hit the Chanel suits sale.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #49)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 07:03 PM

72. I couldn't remember, only remembering how disgusted I was watching it on tv. Looked it up:

Alito's wife leaves hearing room in tears

January 12, 2006 at 2:45 AM EST - Updated July 26 at 4:37 PM

(Washington-AP) Jan. 11, 2006 - At one point Wednesday, the wife of Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito left his confirmation hearings in tears.

Martha-Ann Bomgardner has been sitting behind her husband for hours of questioning over several days.

But she left as Alito was being questioned by Republican Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina.
He asked the nominee if he is "a closet bigot." Alito said "no" and Graham responded "No sir, you're not."

Graham's question came following others by committee members about Alito's membership in a controversial Princeton alumni group that opposed the admission of women and minorities. He has said he doesn't recall anything about it.

Bomgardner returned to the hearing room after a committee break, smiling and holding her husband's hand.

https://www.wistv.com/story/4352042/alitos-wife-leaves-hearing-room-in-tears/

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Lindsey was doing that "thang" Republicans all do when Democrats questioning Republicans in hearings bring up their vicious beliefs for discussion: "Oh you poor poor baby. Did that dirty old Democrat attack you mercilessly?"

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 04:22 PM

51. Judge Smails Alito

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Response to bronxiteforever (Reply #51)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 04:28 PM

53. Wild and crazy stuff, lol.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #53)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 04:40 PM

55. Glad you posted the OP. Alito is a totally despicable hack!

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 04:26 PM

52. How the f**k do we have a SC justice who's never cracked a history book?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Just had to say it.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 04:39 PM

54. What an asshole!

Fuck him!

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 04:44 PM

56. So did World War II, asshole.

Let's build a reservation where all the Libertarians can move to so they can run around nude and totally unrestrained, with no laws or regulations and see how long they last.

KY.........

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 04:52 PM

57. What does he not understand about "Public Health?" Chief Justice Thomas needs to tell

him to shut the fuck up.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 04:54 PM

58. Yeah, death has a way of doing that.

Sometimes you have to choose between liberty or death. Temporary loss of liberty vs permanently dead is a pretty easy decision for rational people.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 05:01 PM

59. I hope someone blows death directly into his nostrils

We should all have the right to exhale wherever we please.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 05:14 PM

60. another idiot speaks

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Response to llashram (Reply #60)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 06:08 PM

66. He might

think differently if he or a loved one gets it, but wouldn’t hold my breath.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 05:28 PM

62. hes pandering to the stupid megachurches . in my humble opinion

and these idiots are going to be in the court for the rest of our lives ? ugh/

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 05:29 PM

63. Well, better bring out the rightwing trope:

If you don't like the US, move elsewhere, Alito.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 05:44 PM

65. So did WWI and WWII, the depression, the Volstead Act ...

Hey Judge! It's a temporary 'adjustment' to protect all of our lives. The drafted and the enlisted had their Constitutional Rights totally buggered.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 06:10 PM

67. I am wishing karmically that he gets seriously ill with the corona virus.

What an a hole comment.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 06:29 PM

68. I don't think Supreme Court justices should be chumming

for cases.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 06:41 PM

70. Silly me

For 29 years I thought that Clarence Thomas was the most stupid Justice, ridiculously light weight and unqualified, but now I realize that compared to Alioto, Thomas is a legal luminary. Alioto is a prize idiot.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 06:49 PM

71. 1942-1945

The internment of Japanese Americans in the United States during World War II in concentration camps was approximately 120,000 people of Japanese ancestry, most of whom lived on the Pacific Coast. Sixty two percent of those detained were United States citizens.


Justice Alito: Wear your damn mask.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 07:03 PM

73. I suspect that the great flu epidemics in the early 1900s were probably just as extensive ... with

the flu epidemic killing millions I wouldn't be surprised.

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 07:15 PM

74. RW botching of the pandemic

has resulted in curbs on LIFE for 240,000!

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Response to appalachiablue (Original post)

Fri Nov 13, 2020, 07:42 PM

75. Death

Is the ultimate denial of freedom.

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