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Thu Oct 29, 2020, 09:57 AM

A new coronavirus variant is seen spreading across Europe, research says

Source: CNBC

LONDON — A variant of the coronavirus that is believed to have originated in Spain has spread across Europe and now accounts for most of the new cases reported in several countries in the region, according to the findings of a new study.

The research, which is due to published on Thursday and has not been peer reviewed, details how an international team of scientists has closely monitored the coronavirus through its genetic mutations.

Each variant of the coronavirus has its own genetic signature, meaning it can be traced back to the place it first emerged.

It says a new variant of the disease, identified as 20A.EU1 by researchers from Switzerland and Spain, was first observed in Spain in June. The new variant has been recorded in Spain at frequencies of above 40% since July, the study said.

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/29/coronavirus-variant-seen-spreading-across-europe-research-says.html

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Reply A new coronavirus variant is seen spreading across Europe, research says (Original post)
sabra Oct 29 OP
NRaleighLiberal Oct 29 #1
Raster Oct 29 #3
NRaleighLiberal Oct 29 #4
AllyCat Oct 29 #20
PSPS Oct 29 #26
Buckeye_Democrat Oct 29 #29
PSPS Oct 29 #31
elias7 Oct 30 #38
AllyCat Oct 29 #37
Loki Liesmith Oct 29 #5
NRaleighLiberal Oct 29 #7
forgotmylogin Oct 29 #9
roamer65 Oct 29 #12
PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 29 #18
Yavin4 Oct 29 #21
ananda Oct 29 #25
Boomer Oct 29 #35
ancianita Oct 29 #32
Miguelito Loveless Oct 29 #2
IronLionZion Oct 29 #16
AllyCat Oct 29 #23
IronLionZion Oct 29 #28
DENVERPOPS Oct 29 #24
Miguelito Loveless Oct 29 #27
DENVERPOPS Oct 29 #36
vercetti2021 Oct 29 #6
Initech Oct 29 #8
vercetti2021 Oct 29 #10
Thyla Oct 29 #11
Steelrolled Oct 29 #34
raccoon Oct 29 #13
getagrip_already Oct 29 #14
OneCrazyDiamond Oct 29 #17
Sherman A1 Oct 29 #15
Illumination Oct 29 #19
Dopers_Greed Oct 29 #22
nitpicker Oct 29 #30
Steelrolled Oct 29 #33
scipan Oct 30 #39

Response to sabra (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 10:01 AM

1. this makes vaccine development like trying to hit a moving target

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 10:03 AM

3. this is why we don't have a cure for the common cold...

...which is also caused by a corona virus. They tend to mutate.

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Response to Raster (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 10:04 AM

4. yup!

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Response to Raster (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 01:06 PM

20. Some colds caused by a coronavirus

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #20)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 02:08 PM

26. All colds are coronavirus variants

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Response to PSPS (Reply #26)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 02:56 PM

29. Rhinovirus is the primary cause.

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Response to Buckeye_Democrat (Reply #29)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 03:20 PM

31. Yes, I stand corrected. Colds can be either coronavirus or rhinovirus.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #31)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 06:40 AM

38. Actually, it's a bit more than that

Rhinoviruses do make up the largest group, over 100 serotypes can cause the common cold. Although influenza virus and parainfluenza virus generally cause more systemic “flu like” symptoms an upper respiratory syndrome consistent with the common cold occurs in the small percentage.

Rhinovirus 30 to 50%. Coronavirus 10 to 15%. Influenza virus 5 to 15%. Respiratory syncytial virus 5%. Parainfluenza virus 5%. Adenoviruses less than 5%. Enteroviruses (echoviruses and Coxsackie virus) less than 5%. Metapneumovirus unknown. Unknown 20 to 30%.

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Response to Buckeye_Democrat (Reply #29)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 05:18 PM

37. Yes.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 10:06 AM

5. Depends on how broad spectrum the vaccine is

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 10:08 AM

7. indeed...its mode of action, and what parts of the virus are

changing in the mutations.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 10:41 AM

9. Hopefully not as deadly?

I've read that sometimes viruses "learn" that killing their hosts is not the best way to keep spreading.

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Response to forgotmylogin (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 10:53 AM

12. Natural selection favors less virulent forms of a virus.

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Response to forgotmylogin (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 12:55 PM

18. Smallpox is actually the best example of that.

In two different parts of the world, the smallpox virus, variola major, underwent a big change and became variola minor in the late 19th century. The minor version was far, far less virulent. Most people survived and were not scarred by this version. So actually, smallpox was well on its way to being one of the childhood diseases that we also now vaccinate for (measles, mumps, chicken pox) that was more of an easily survivable nuisance rather than a killer and disfigurer of people.

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Response to forgotmylogin (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 01:23 PM

21. sometimes viruses "learn" -- Viruses are smarter than Trump supporters.

The more you know.

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Response to forgotmylogin (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 02:02 PM

25. I read that article... and it makes sense.

Apparently, the virus will get more contagious but
less deadly.

How soon the less deadly part comes I'm not sure.

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Response to forgotmylogin (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 04:01 PM

35. Unfortunately, that doesn't apply to SARS-COV-2

The lethality of viruses lessens when the illness/death it cause reduces the window of exposure for other victims. But this coronavirus has a very long contagious period in which there are no symptoms, allowing it to spread significantly before the victim is too ill (if ever) to stay put at home. Many people are asymptomatic, so they continue spreading the disease throughout the contagious phase. There's little to no selective pressure on the pathogen to become less virulent.

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 03:36 PM

32. According to recent lengthy New Yorker reports, broad spectrum hasn't been how vaccine is developed.

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Bioresearch says it wasn't been cost effective in the past because for cold viruses, mutation has always outpaced vaccination, and so money's put into one virus at a time yearly.

Given the ongoing infection rates across seasons, they say it's possible that they'll give broad spectrum virus vaccine development some investment.

Sooner or later there's going to have to be global coordination of vaccine development for variants.

But puny humans don't have leverage, only states.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/04/13/the-quest-for-a-pandemic-pill

https://www.newyorker.com/science/medical-dispatch/the-long-game-of-coronavirus-research

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-case-for-a-coronavirus-vaccine-bond

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 10:03 AM

2. This is another problem with idiots advocating "herd immunity"

the more people infected, the more opportunities for mutation.

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Response to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 11:56 AM

16. Idiots want to kill people quickly in hopes the pandemic will be over

when it will also leave people with permanent organ damage. Then everyone will have pre-existing conditions and can't get health insurance.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 01:37 PM

23. And the stupid rapture will "come"

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 02:51 PM

28. Some of the dumbest ones think this is the rapture

to explain why it disproportionately impacts conservatives who congregate maskless indoors in churches

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Response to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 01:39 PM

24. Good Point ML

I was thinking: Isn't this Herd Immunity crap they are pushing, much the same as "Survival Of The Fittest"?......and wasn't that a major tenant of Darwinism???? My mind is very old, so maybe I have things mixed up????

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #24)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 02:36 PM

27. It was, though Darwin's use

of the term was twisted into a social theory to advocate cut-throat societies.

In biology the term is a way to describe "natural selection", which is more nuanced in that it means that any biological adaptation/mutation which enhances the chances of the species to thrive and survive, will become dominant as long as it is around long enough to be passed on genetically. The ability to run faster than "normal" does you no good if that trait also kills you before sexual maturity.

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Response to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #27)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 05:14 PM

36. Thx, ML

It's been a long long time since high school and college.....So, I pick other's brains for what I can't fully remember.
"If you don't use it, you lose it"....LOL

Thank you for your gifted and comprehensive answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 10:07 AM

6. Straight out of Plague Inc

You can mutate viruses to make them much more deadlier. Well people are doing a good job letting it mutate

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Response to vercetti2021 (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 10:28 AM

8. That's what happeend with influenza - it got more deadly, then eventually less deadly.

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Response to Initech (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 10:47 AM

10. Yep

Corona mutating is beyond terrifying

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 10:49 AM

11. Who would of thought opening Europe up for summer

Would of seen this virus spread more.

Morons, they wanted their summer now look at the consequences of their poor decision making.

Now they want their Christmas. Rinse and repeat. By March we should of come full circle and in the midst of a monster 3rd wave.

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Response to Thyla (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 03:52 PM

34. I think by March vaccinations will be ramping up fast.

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 11:31 AM

13. We're all gonna die. Nt

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Response to raccoon (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 11:45 AM

14. at least 500,000 needlessly early..... n/t

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 12:44 PM

17. I agree about covid deaths being needless, but

the planet does need a few less people, and if it concentrates on maskless right-wingers, there may be a double benefit for the planet's needs.

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 11:53 AM

15. It is 2020 so it kinda figures.

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 12:57 PM

19. We have enough on our plate already. We don't need anything else. Thanks but no thanks!...

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 01:28 PM

22. So this is the 2nd wave

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2020, 03:51 PM

33. Fortunately it seems like 2nd infections are still rare.

The initial spike in Italy started in early March, more than 7 months ago. No news is good news!

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Response to sabra (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2020, 03:00 PM

39. About mutations: remember the instructions for

Making the spike protein, that locks into the ACE 2 cell receptors, is very likely to be "highly conserved". And the spike protein is what most of the vaccines target.

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