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Sun Oct 11, 2020, 01:24 PM

Man dead after confrontation at clashing political rallies in Denver; TV station security guard arre

Source: New York Daily News

Full title: Man dead after confrontation at clashing political rallies in Denver; TV station security guard arrested

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Police have since taken a man, identified as a private security guard for Denver TV station KUSA, into custody. The alleged shooter fired his weapon at the other man after he sprayed mace at him, the Denver Post reported.

The man who sprayed the mace was participating in the right-wing protest, described as a “Patriot Rally,” according to the Denver Post.

The left-wing rally, meanwhile, was called the “BLM-Antifa Soup Drive." Police have said the suspect has “no affiliation with Antifa."

(WARNING: PHOTO CONTAINS GRAPHIC CONTENT)




Read more: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-denver-shooting-rally-clash-20201010-gmgpsi7ebjcktg32ewakcwgbj4-story.html



TIRED OF THE CONSTANT VIOLENT DIVISIONS INCITED BY THE MURDERER-IN-CHIEF!

LOCK.HIM.UP

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Reply Man dead after confrontation at clashing political rallies in Denver; TV station security guard arre (Original post)
Lock him up. Oct 2020 OP
Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #1
Bongo Prophet Oct 2020 #2
comradebillyboy Oct 2020 #3
llashram Oct 2020 #4
Bongo Prophet Oct 2020 #5
Lock him up. Oct 2020 #6
MizLibby Oct 2020 #7
Lock him up. Oct 2020 #8
forgotmylogin Oct 2020 #9
Bongo Prophet Oct 2020 #10
The Magistrate Oct 2020 #11
Bongo Prophet Oct 2020 #12
Ligyron Oct 2020 #15
Bongo Prophet Oct 2020 #17
Yeehah Oct 2020 #19
The Magistrate Oct 2020 #20
Yeehah Oct 2020 #22
The Magistrate Oct 2020 #23
Yeehah Oct 2020 #24
The Magistrate Oct 2020 #25
Yeehah Oct 2020 #26
Happy Hoosier Oct 2020 #27
generalbetrayus Oct 2020 #13
noneof_theabove Oct 2020 #14
niyad Oct 2020 #16
Dr. Strange Oct 2020 #18
The Magistrate Oct 2020 #21

Response to Lock him up. (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 01:33 PM

1. Traitor and the GOP and putin will do more of this, 45 million

registered republicans approve of killing us, we just have to wrap our heads around that.
Or more accurately, ALL trump supporters, maybe there are decent repubs left, not sure.

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Response to Lock him up. (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 01:38 PM

2. More info and video/photos in this thread from last night

Looks like the deceased was picking fights, slapped the security guard, and it kept escalating.

https://democraticunderground.com/100214264613

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Response to Lock him up. (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 01:43 PM

3. Looks like a case of self defense by the security guard.

And why would any patriotic American support a Russian stooge? But nowadays domestic terrorists are calling themselves patriots.

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Response to Lock him up. (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 01:43 PM

4. 1 for 1, huh

even at the moment? Try to stop the coup. That's it for me. The RW forces have made it clear they don't care about human costs in life and disruption when their only goal ever was to get rich and parrot the Party line. Pandemic be damned.

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Response to Lock him up. (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 01:46 PM

5. The "victim's" mom wrote about it - very inaccurately

This is what she wrote on a tea party website,

“My son Lee was at the patriot rally today in Denver,” she wrote on Northeast Arkansas Tea Party Group page. “After the rally a person on the BLM and Antifa side went up to him said a few nasty words then shot him in the head. He was murdered because he backed the police. His 24 year old son was with him.”


Yeah, it didn't go down like that at all. Videos and pictures tell a far different narrative. But the tea party folks will tell the tales that make them out to be victims of the "BLM/Antifa" while going out to instigate violence. Truth as a casualty of war.

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Response to Bongo Prophet (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 01:54 PM

6. " Facebook post" link in the article (should be reported)

I don't have a Farcebook cesspool account but everyone with one should report her lies and disinformation.

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Response to Lock him up. (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 02:01 PM

7. I reported it on FB as "false news"

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Response to MizLibby (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 02:15 PM

8. +1

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Response to Bongo Prophet (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 02:59 PM

9. Yes, the gun was already out per the photo, it wasn't a surprise.

You spray someone with your weapon, they're gonna spray you with theirs.

I'm not advocating for the death of anyone, but attacking someone who has a gun leveled at you with a non-lethal weapon is utterly stupid decision-making.

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Response to forgotmylogin (Reply #9)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 03:30 PM

10. The gun wasn't out when the security guard got his glasses smacked off



If you watch the video in the other thread I linked to, it happened pretty fast, just after dead guy left one argument (with "Black Guns Matter" guy) and walked over to some other people, security guy in the lead. He must've smacked him immediately after, at which point Security guy likely backed off a few steps and pulled his weapon.

Soon-to-be dead guy, who already had mace in hand from the beginning, then sprayed.

The photo shows the spray had lasted for at least a second or two before the shot. The photo with the gun up is actually a split-second time of the shot, as you can see the bullet casing in the air a few inches from the pistol.

Tragic escalation. Bad decisions by both. Excellent photojournalist work by Denver Post photographer Helen Richardson.


You can piece together the timeline with photos here.
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/10/10/dueling-denver-rallies-fatal-shooting-photos/

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Response to Bongo Prophet (Reply #10)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 03:35 PM

11. The Guard Stood His Ground, Sir

Clear self-defense. No reason whatever to even arrest him....

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #11)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 04:03 PM

12. Looks that way to me also, sir

I don't know the laws of Colorado, nor what a jury might say if it comes to that.

Just trying to observe the timeline of events and share them honestly.
There are a few contradicting versions of what happened, so I did some quick searching.

It is my opinion better to back away from a slap like that, rather than shoot to kill. But he was a hired guard, so it is more complicated, and I don't come here to argue opinions. Plenty of that around.

Hence why I didn't emphasize any opinion, (until now!) as everyone will have those. Better to share any hard info, and leave opining to others.

Sir.

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Response to Bongo Prophet (Reply #12)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 07:09 PM

15. Well, in all fairness, he got more than just slapped, he got maced too.

OMG, with all the warnings about graphic images I expected to see blood ands brain matter splattered everywhere. Imagine my relief when it was just a prostate "patriot" with his beer belly rolling off to one side.

Come to think of it, that is pretty horrific and hard to unsee.

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Response to Ligyron (Reply #15)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 08:04 PM

17. You are correct, and he was also in charge of protecting the media crew

The mace shouldn't have a lasting effect, but the ptsd of killing someone at close range might be rough.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 12, 2020, 03:50 PM

19. He's not a "guard"

Just some asshole charged with 1st degree murder.

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Response to Yeehah (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 12, 2020, 03:54 PM

20. Reports Are, Sir

That he was hired as security by a local television station. If that is now in question or shown untrue, it alters the matte somewhat, but not conclusively to my mind. He was struck, and maced, and defended himself.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #20)

Mon Oct 12, 2020, 04:52 PM

22. Yes, that seems correct

although the individual was not licensed to perform that job in the City of Denver. Pinkerton said he was hired through a contractor. Watch Pinkerton get their ass sued off for this. Getting maced and hit with a fist is not justification for deadly force. Sorry.

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Response to Yeehah (Reply #22)

Mon Oct 12, 2020, 04:54 PM

23. Actually, It Generally Is, Sir

I see nothing at all objectionable in the man's actions, and would vote to acquit if on a jury.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #23)

Mon Oct 12, 2020, 05:24 PM

24. The pepper sprayer did not pose a deadly threat to the unlicensed security guard

so the shooting was unjustified. And no, the use of pepper spray does not "generally" excuse the use of deadly force.

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Response to Yeehah (Reply #24)

Mon Oct 12, 2020, 05:57 PM

25. Meh




"Rest assured a walk through the ocean of most souls would scarcely wet your feet."




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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #25)

Tue Oct 13, 2020, 08:28 AM

26. Oh, a personal attack.

How entirely predictable.

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Response to Yeehah (Reply #24)

Tue Oct 13, 2020, 09:24 AM

27. Based on what?

With all due respect, the "guard," whether licensed or no idea if the mace was the first part of a more serious and potentially deadly assault. It depends upon the state laws, but in many states, lethal force can be used in self-defense even if it is not clear that the assault is deadly. In Colorado, force in self-defense can be used to prevent imminent harm to self, and can include deadly force. The "defender" cannot be the aggressor. I doubt a prosecution would be successful in this case.

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Response to Lock him up. (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 04:07 PM

13. Update from 9News in Denver, which had hired the alleged shooter to protect their television news

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Response to Lock him up. (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 05:41 PM

14. when are this RWNJ going get the message

antifa is a an organization but a concept like your gawd.

quote from article "no affiliation with Antifa."

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Response to Lock him up. (Original post)

Sun Oct 11, 2020, 07:12 PM

16. JFC, don't reporters know how to write anymore?? The various pieces I have read make it sound

Like both protest groups were involved. And tried to connect the guard to a tufa. I did not realize that DP had gone so far downhill.

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Response to Lock him up. (Original post)

Mon Oct 12, 2020, 12:17 PM

18. City Of Denver: Matthew Dolloff Not Licensed To Be A Security Guard

Okay, whacky twist: he wasn't licensed to carry a gun. He's currently being held for first degree murder.

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/11/matthew-dolloff-denver-security-guard/

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Response to Dr. Strange (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 12, 2020, 04:00 PM

21. Interesting, Sir

No license needed in the state, but license required in the city. It would be interesting to learn if was a city resident or not.

The charge does not impress me much, although he well serve life for the action. Police and their pet prosecutors can be relied to press matters hard in defense of their vigilante buddies.

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