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Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:32 AM

Feds thwart militia plot to kidnap Whitmer

Source: The Detroit News

The FBI thwarted what they described as a plot to violently overthrow the government and kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and federal prosecutors are expected to discuss the alleged conspiracy later Thursday.

The alleged plot involved reaching out to members of a Michigan militia, according to a federal affidavit filed Thursday.

"Several members talked about murdering 'tyrants' or 'taking' a sitting governor," an FBI agent wrote in the affidavit. "The group decided they needed to increase their numbers and encouraged each other to talk to their neighbors and spread their message."

The raids came five days after Madison Heights resident Eric Mark-Matthew Allport was killed during a shootout with agents who were executing an arrest warrant for a federal weapons offense in the parking lot of a Texas Roadhouse in Madison Heights. The Oakland County Medical Examiner's Office said Allport died of multiple gunshot wounds and classified his death as a homicide.

Read more: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/10/08/feds-thwart-militia-plot-kidnap-michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer/5922301002/




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Reply Feds thwart militia plot to kidnap Whitmer (Original post)
demmiblue Oct 2020 OP
bluestarone Oct 2020 #1
Escurumbele Oct 2020 #75
bluestarone Oct 2020 #80
olegramps Oct 2020 #77
paleotn Oct 2020 #94
Wicked Blue Oct 2020 #2
rockfordfile Oct 2020 #51
RAB910 Oct 2020 #3
calimary Oct 2020 #35
lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #58
2naSalit Oct 2020 #68
onetexan Oct 2020 #4
Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #5
NeoGreen Oct 2020 #6
demmiblue Oct 2020 #7
demmiblue Oct 2020 #15
vercetti2021 Oct 2020 #8
Yeehah Oct 2020 #9
bronxiteforever Oct 2020 #10
FakeNoose Oct 2020 #11
calimary Oct 2020 #41
AllaN01Bear Oct 2020 #63
Escurumbele Oct 2020 #82
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Initech Oct 2020 #12
swag Oct 2020 #13
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Evolve Dammit Oct 2020 #22
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greenjar_01 Oct 2020 #32
CaptYossarian Oct 2020 #44
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KS Toronado Oct 2020 #23
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Roland99 Oct 2020 #28
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CaptYossarian Oct 2020 #40
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calimary Oct 2020 #39
onetexan Oct 2020 #47
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speaknow Oct 2020 #37
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Stand and Fight Oct 2020 #83
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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:36 AM

1. WOW! holy shit

EVERYBODY better have all eyes open. THIS could be our FUTURE!!!

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:23 PM

75. No, this WILL NOT be our future. This is temporary.

Once Biden/Harris take office the FBI, the DOJ and other government departments will begin acting responsibly again, there will be no trump to continue inciting violence.

NO THIS IS NOT OUR FUTURE!

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #75)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:30 PM

80. That's right BUT

That's why i said COULD BE? VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:27 PM

77. It comes from the top. Both Trump and Pence refused to swear to peaceful turnover of the presidency.

The militants are dominated by people vowing violent revolution and believe they have the firm backing of Trump, Pence and their administration.

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 03:49 PM

94. A handful of nut jobs will have an extremely limited affect on our future....

We have always had a small, lunatic fringe and always will. No different then yesterday. No different then tomorrow. Except these guys are limited to making IED's from freaking fireworks.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:37 AM

2. I hope Gov. Whitmer is getting heavy security

and I hope someone throws the book at these bastards

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Response to Wicked Blue (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:27 PM

51. Others should do it

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:38 AM

3. The anti-American MAGA cult is getting more and more dangerous

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Response to RAB910 (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:08 PM

35. Especially since most of 'em seem to be gun nuts.

Especially since most of 'em seem to be BIG-ASS WAR-TOY gun nuts.

Assholes like them are a threat to national security! I hope they STAY in custody - for the safety of Governor Whitmer AND all the rest of us - in Michigan AND beyond!

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Response to calimary (Reply #35)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:45 PM

58. I hope they unravel the national network that feeds these fucks.

Maybe it's international.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #58)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:06 PM

68. It's international...

Q is a thing in Britain.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:38 AM

4. OMG. K&R

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:41 AM

5. ie trumpers

praying Rachel and Lawrence and others are protected

and now Keith Olbermann

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:44 AM

6. Search their phones and computers...

...and interview all of their contacts.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:10 AM

15. Link to the complete arrest affidavit:

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:48 AM

8. Jesus Christ

What the fuck

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:48 AM

9. Republicans have made clear their goal is total power, not shared power in a functional democracy

Republicans are USA-hating fascists and terrorists.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:51 AM

10. Kick and recommend for visibility.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:51 AM

11. We need IDs on these people

Let their friends, family, neighbors all know what they're trying to do. No privacy for them. Put them in jail and - it goes without saying - take away their guns.



Edit to add: My brother and his family live in Dublin, Ohio. It's a nice quiet suburb of Columbus where people are good Americans and they have lots of backyard barbecues and church socials. This kind of fascist anarchy is in no way typical of Dublin, so I'm calling it outside troublemakers. If anybody knows differently, please let me know.





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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:16 PM

41. We need to do what ANY responsible mom knows.

When the kids don't play nicely with their toys, YOU TAKE THEIR TOYS AWAY!!!

This is NOT that hard.

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Response to calimary (Reply #41)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:53 PM

63. if a lottery based draft were to be inacted agin, id like them to be drafted first.

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Response to AllaN01Bear (Reply #63)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:37 PM

82. They most probably will try to move to Canada

These thugs are brave when they know no bullets will be fired back at them, otherwise they are cowards, just like the one in Charlottesville who cried when the police was looking for him.

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #82)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 03:21 PM

91. as somone posted on here , i bet if they saw a few regulars and a few tanks theyd run.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:54 AM

12. Very fine people on both sides... right.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 10:58 AM

13. Trump: "Liberate Michigan!"

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Response to swag (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:38 AM

21. This! He's incited this. nt

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Response to swag (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:39 AM

22. He incited this, and all the other 2nd amendment option crap since 2016.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:06 AM

14. "Erik Mark-Matthew Allport"

Ooof, watta name!

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Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:05 PM

32. Jokes or speculation about prison rape are not funny

Not a good look, my man.

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #32)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:22 PM

44. The concept of it is as much a deterrent as losing one's freedom.

I'm just putting the word out for others of that ilk.

The only known ex-con to eat at my table (daughter's EX-boyfriend, thank God) joked about "Don't drop the soap."

If he can joke about it...

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:22 AM

16. Wondering if somehow Wohl is tied in?



Make examples of these terrorists!

And will chumputin pardon them?

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:36 AM

19. Should have a reservation

At Hotel GITMO. Terrorist resort. But no, Barr will get involved, Trump will Pardon. Presidential Medals of Freedom to all, with a victory rally including special guest, 17 year old murderer. MAGA! Flies keep landing depositing eggs and expanding the base of MAGAts. Those eggs on Pence’s head had better make it full term to birth.

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:22 PM

45. No doubt!

Hahaha fly eggs.

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:42 AM

23. Doubt if he's still in office by the time our court system finds them guilty of something.

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:05 PM

33. Erik Prince and Cruella DeVos are from there.

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Response to CaptYossarian (Reply #33)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:23 PM

46. Ooooh, I'd forgotten that!

Ty for reminder.

I'd love to see them rot in prison.

The type of treatment extended to Black women & men!

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:31 AM

17. Trump's MAGA army...it is starting

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:36 AM

18. Gut check question for every person living in the USA

What is the red line to die for? yes we are there.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:36 AM

20. Trump is directly responsible for this, same as if he yelled "fire" in a theater.

He should be charged with whatever they can at the state level. Trump's call for "Liberate Michigan" is directly tied to activating the militias around the country.

Trump is a criminal, time they started indicting him at the state level in every state affected by his malice.

Trump is the rogue head of domestic terror.

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Response to cayugafalls (Reply #20)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:19 PM

43. The reporter on CNN basically said that....good!

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:46 AM

24. Big Gretch Replies

"Is that all ya got Donny?! Eh?"
(just kidding I made that up) But I could see her saying it.
Watch out for the shark attack.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:49 AM

25. I know that in my county

Hillsdale the local nuts were having secret meetings. Regarding plans to remove Whitmer from office. I'm betting they will have some questions to answer. I believe they actually posed with the lunatics from Hartland at the Lansing "protest".

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Response to gibraltar72 (Reply #25)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:11 PM

36. They're organizing recall efforts on Tony Evers around here.

Wisconsin's militia is made up of marshmallows. They couldn't kidnap roadkill.

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Response to gibraltar72 (Reply #25)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:12 PM

38. Hillsdale: you poor thing.

There’s nice open space and farms over that way, but you are in the heart of Redneckistan with big guns and small penises.

My niece played b-ball for Hillsdale College one season. That is one of the most right-wing schools in the nation. Thankfully she finished her career at EMU.

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Response to maddogesq (Reply #38)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:51 PM

86. That is a scam that brings in big bucks for them

They do play it to the hilt and have poisoned the county. I've had their number for 60 plus years.

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Response to maddogesq (Reply #38)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:52 PM

87. That is a scam that brings in big bucks for them

They do play it to the hilt and have poisoned the county. I've had their number for 60 plus years.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:51 AM

26. Round 'em all up.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:55 AM

27. They're following indirect orders given by their Terrorist-in-Chief

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #27)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:44 PM

57. Really NOT so indirect. "Liberate Michigan" is ...

... a call to arms to overthrow the government. What did he expect?

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:57 AM

28. Doesn't sound like a "well-regulated militia" to me, eh?

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #28)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:42 PM

55. They're gangs, pure and simple.

They imagine themselves as militias, but they're nothing more than gangs. White gangs, mind you, which is why they get away with so much more. I'm certainly not condoning Black or Hispanic gangs (such as MS-13, Crips, Bloods etc.) but if they had the firepower these White gangs have there would be full-out war against them. Trump doesn't like those gangs, but he actually loves these White gang members, because they love him. What I find most disturbing is that many of these gangs have Police officers (both active and retired) as members.

I'm glad the FBI and other federal agencies have these assholes on their radar. They're the biggest domestic terrorist danger to our country.

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #55)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 06:26 PM

98. Black and Hispanic gangs are not as big a threat to the general public

If you are not involved in the gang;'s business (meaning you are not buying/dealing illegal drugs) you are generally not of any interest to the. They are involved ina business, a very violent business to be sure.

White gangs are explicitly political. We *are* their enemy.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:59 AM

29. Upcoming full pardon for all those involved

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Response to nattyice (Reply #29)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:12 PM

40. If Donnie gets his much-needed Guardian, all signatures are null and void.

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Response to nattyice (Reply #29)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:01 PM

66. I'm sure Atty Gen Nessel can find some state charges, ...

... which would be outside Trump's pardon jurisdiction.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:04 PM

31. They also sought to kill cops!!

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/militia-that-targeted-michigan-governor-also-sought-to-cops/


“One of those informants came from a militia group in Michigan...as a result...they were able to speak with this person who came forward because they were concerned that militia was seeking addresses of police officers and wanted to kill police officers,”

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:06 PM

34. Terrorist-in-Chief Attacks Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer:



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Response to dalton99a (Reply #34)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:12 PM

39. Yep.

These people are a menace to America!

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #34)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:25 PM

47. therein lies the problem. The Con has normalized them and emboldened them with his open racism.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #34)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:05 PM

67. Standby (For further orders)!

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #34)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 03:28 PM

92. YOU SHOULD GO TO JAIL!!!!!

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:11 PM

37. Nice going FBI those

Antifa people the FBI showed them a thing
or, wait a minute those are DJT fine people type's.
Nice going DJT look at the shit you made.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:18 PM

42. Idiots

"The investigation dates to early 2020 when the FBI learned through social media (emphasis added) that individuals were discussing the violent overthrow of several state governments and law enforcement."

These morans talked about it on social media. Thankfully they are as good at plotting government takeovers as Trump is at being a businessman.

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Response to madeup64 (Reply #42)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 05:30 PM

97. Great post. Thank you.

As a reminder:

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:26 PM

48. They did this since they were angry about gyms closing

Last edited Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:52 PM - Edit history (1)

due to Covid. They also didn't want to wear masks.

So they decided to have a civil war, overthrow a govt, install their own, set bombs, kidnap, etc. The list of charges was about 25' long.

Covid related Domestic Terrorists brought to you by tRump.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:27 PM

49. I'm confident there's a lot more of this going on.

I hope that Democrats are taking appropriate measures to increase security. These types are more numerous than many want to believe or even know.

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Response to Stand and Fight (Reply #49)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:43 PM

56. This is why

Those poo-poohing the chance for RW violence after the election as "nothing to worry about" need to wake up.

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Response to durablend (Reply #56)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:37 PM

83. Yeah, willful blinders make no sense. Better safe than sorry. Especially when facts speak otherwise.

Just look at the number of mass shootings and domestic terrorist attacks. Who are the largest perpetrators? Right wing white supremacists. That's a fact. How do these people think these people will react when their great leader loses? It's laughable that people on our side so casually dismiss them.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:27 PM

50. Pissed off because she made them wear masks...


The whole world is fucking crazy..protests cuz the leaders say wear a mask...maintain distance...

Some countries had no problems with that..others..

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:33 PM

52. Trump's radicals right wing plotting an illegal coup.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:35 PM

53. Terrifying.

Best to Gretchen and her family!

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:38 PM

54. I heard speculation that this might have been part of a wider plot

Like right wing groups around the country have been planning on taking out Dems across the country as part of some kind of coup attempt. Has anyone else heard that or is the family member texting me that just wondering out loud?

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:48 PM

59. But they don't have a political agenda so they're not terrorists.



Maybe Big Donny can tell them to stand by and stand down.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:49 PM

60. My cousin in Detroit wants to see the photos so people can contact trace the culprits.

 

They may have been seen in the presence of others. This plot probably has multiple tentacles.

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Response to Boogiemack (Reply #60)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:48 PM

85. So do I.

I travel through the rural area near Jim Nichols old farm on my way up to see relatives.
Jim Nichols is dead now. Thank god.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:50 PM

61. They need to clean out the whole nest

Even the ones who are cops.

That's what they get for chasing benign leftist groups because the left scares plutocrats, while ignoring the massive threat from a heavily armed, fascist far right, much of which has infiltrated police forces.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:50 PM

62. These terrorists must be treated like the traitors they are.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:54 PM

64. I think this is deliberate to ratchet up the fear

Those goons in the White House

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 12:58 PM

65. This is frightening

 

We are only seeing the beginning of what could be a domestic terror campaign.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:11 PM

69. FBI Director Wray may be in trouble for not informing AG Bill Barr about this case.

Obviously, Barr didn't know, as the plotters were not forewarned.

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Response to NCjack (Reply #69)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:22 PM

74. BINGO!

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Response to NCjack (Reply #69)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:23 PM

76. If He Is....

Wray BETTER BE PROTECTED. He is a PATRIOT and Barr is a Terrorist Enabler.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:16 PM

70. I saw this reported on thenews and the first thing I thought of...

was the Alan Berg killing here in Denver back in 1984 by a white nationalist group called The Order.
https://www.cpr.org/show-segment/murder-of-colorado-radio-man-alan-berg-still-resonates-30-years-later/

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:19 PM

71. If they weren't white, they wouldn't be called a militia, they'd

Be a gang, or thugs.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:20 PM

72. One more thing we have dotard to thank for! Hate crimes up 16% since 2016

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:21 PM

73. GET HIM OUT NOW!!!!

The FBI says six members of a militia group plotted to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer. Here is the criminal complaint on file in U.S. District Court that details the FBI's investigation, how they learned about the group, and what led to criminal charges against six people.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/10/08/militia-kidnapping-michigan-governor-whitmer-complaint/5923896002/

It's Time for TRUMP TO GO!!! This is OUR GOVERNOR!!

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:27 PM

78. How long before Hissolini

tries to preemptively them and invite them to the WH for Mickey D's meal and shiny gold medals?

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:27 PM

79. Reminds me of Designated Survivor.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:33 PM

81. Timothy McVeigh's brother was a Michigan militia member, too.

Looks as if they've been hating a long time there.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #81)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 01:43 PM

84. They are more popular in the rural areas.

Not really in the urban areas of MI.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #81)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 03:34 PM

93. These guys like to live out in the boonies.

That way no one can see what they're up to. Spouse and child abusers do the same thing. In fact, I'll wager a bet that a few of these are both.

Michiganders have known about these militia whackos ever since McVeigh and Nichols got together and killed little children and others.

This Michigander wants to see them all gone. Right now. I hope they are watched carefully until they're all in jail. I also hope they get all their guns taken away.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 02:17 PM

88. American Terrorists. Say it repeatedly. White. American. Terrorists.

That's what these people are.

Question: If they had brown skin or a copy of the Q'uran and did this, would they be called terrorists? YES.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 02:39 PM

89. And conservatives think it's the libs who'll start a civil war... n/t

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 03:14 PM

90. They caught the organizers

From The Guardian:

The six men charged with plotting against Whitmer were arrested on Wednesday night and each faces up to life in prison. US attorney Andrew Birge called them “violent extremists”.

[link:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/08/six-people-charged-plot-kidnap-michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer|

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 04:10 PM

95. October surprise thwarted.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 05:24 PM

96. This is the "Boogaloo Boys" stuff:

[div class="excerpt"4. ]The “Wolverine Watchmen” is a militia group who recruited members using a social
media platform, FaceBook, since November 2019. Once recruited, members
communicated via a secure, encrypted messaging platform. Members of Wolverine
Watchmen periodically met for “field training exercises” (FTXs) on private property
in remote areas where they engaged in firearms training and tactical drills to
prepare for the “boogaloo,” a term referencing a violent uprising against the
government or impending politically-motivated civil war. Joseph Morrison and
Pete Musico are founding members of the Wolverine Watchmen. Joseph Morrison is
considered Wolverine Watchmen’s “Commander” and is known by the online
moniker “Boogaloo Bunyan.”

5. The Wolverine Watchmen have called on members to identify law enforcement
officers home addresses in order to target the officers, have made threats of violence
to instigate a civil war leading to societal collapse, and have engaged in planning
and training for an operation to attack the Capitol of Michigan, and kidnap
Government officials including the Governor of Michigan.

6. Joseph Morrison and Pete Musico are individuals that reside at 8008 Dunn Rd.,
Munith, Michigan located in Jackson County where FTXs have been conducted.
Joseph Morrison and Pete Musico have hosted multiple tactical training sessions
with other members of the Wolverine Watchmen at their property. During these
trainings, specific training was provided for members to learn and practice tactical
maneuvers. The group has drawn upon their members’ individual skills for
trainings including tactical skills, medical knowledge, communications knowledge,
and weapons expertise. For instance, member Paul Bellar, who was appointed the
role of “Sergeant,” had specific expertise in medical and firearms training and
designed tactical exercises for training.

7. Wolverine Watchmen members together with another group of individuals led by
Adam Fox engaged in planning and training for various acts of violence, including
kidnapping politicians and storming the Michigan Capitol Building in Lansing.

8. Ultimately, participants of these trainings and meetings, led by Michigan resident
Adam Fox, went on to engage in a plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan by the
November 2020 national election. In preparing for this plot, Shawn Fix, William
Null, Michael Null and Eric Molitor all aided in physical surveillance of the
Governor’s private vacation home. Several other members of this conspiracy are
being charged federally for their part in the plot to kidnap the Governor.

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/ag/Affidavit_shawn_fix_704644_7.pdf

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #96)

Fri Oct 9, 2020, 12:14 AM

100. I just did a Zillow search and streetview of that address...

it is the middle of nowhere. I can see how they were able to do this and keep it secret.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/8008-Dunn-Rd-Munith-MI-49259/74090001_zpid/

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:12 PM

99. How they were caught.. I saw this at NPR..

The FBI said the Michigan militia group had already been on its radar because its members had attempted in March to acquire the home addresses of local law enforcement officers with the goal of attacking or killing them.

The agency said it collected information about the kidnapping plot from informants and undercover agents. Over the summer, the conspirators allegedly began training for a potential attack on Whitmer's vacation home or the governor's official summer residence, according to a criminal complaint released Thursday.

Fox discussed the kidnapping in a recording from late July, the complaint says: "Snatch and grab, man. Grab the f*****' Governor. Just grab the b****. Because at that point, we do that, dude — it's over."

After abducting Whitmer, Fox allegedly said, the governor would be taken to a secure location in Wisconsin for "trial," according to the complaint.

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/08/921655143/militia-members-plotted-to-abduct-michigan-gov-whitmer-fbi-says

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Oct 9, 2020, 07:41 AM

101. Headline is wrong. Domestic terrorists is the term paper wanted

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Oct 9, 2020, 09:51 AM

102. lot of misogyny going on there

never would have plotted against a male governor

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Mon Oct 12, 2020, 06:20 AM

103. Kick

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