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Tue Sep 29, 2020, 06:53 PM

Census officials say early end risks incomplete tally in 10 states

Source: CNN

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross' surprise decision Monday evening to end 2020 census counting on October 5 risks an incomplete tally of as many as 10 states, including Florida and Georgia, according to Census Bureau officials.

The officials presented that prediction at a Monday afternoon meeting, according to internal documents the Commerce Department and Census Bureau made public on Tuesday.

The other states that may not reach completion are Alabama, Arizona, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, New Mexico, North Carolina and South Carolina.

Bringing all 50 states to the Census Bureau's goal of counting 99% of households could take until October 11, bureau officials told Ross.



Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/census-officials-say-early-end-risks-incomplete-tally-in-10-states/ar-BB19xVq4?li=BBnb7Kz

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Reply Census officials say early end risks incomplete tally in 10 states (Original post)
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 29 OP
pnwmom Sep 29 #1
Mr.Bill Sep 29 #2
pnwmom Sep 29 #3
Mr.Bill Sep 29 #4
pnwmom Sep 29 #6
Hortensis Oct 1 #10
Mr.Bill Oct 1 #11
BigmanPigman Sep 29 #5
Igel Sep 30 #9
Mr.Bill Sep 29 #7
yellowdogintexas Sep 29 #8
Mr.Bill Oct 1 #12

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 06:55 PM

1. Once they realize they're mostly red states they'll change their minds. n/t

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 07:01 PM

2. The census is a joke.

If they know all these numbers already that should mean the only reason to do the census is it's in the constitution. That was fine 200+ years ago. In modern times, we already know the numbers through a variety of statistics from multiple databases. We waste too much money on this dog and pony show.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 07:04 PM

3. I disagree. Undocumented people are supposed to be counted in the census,

but since they're in hiding they aren't fully included in the databases.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 07:07 PM

4. Exactly illustrates my point.

How do we know this? What we already know about the number of undocumented immigrants is more accurate than what we will find out by trying to physically count them.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 09:06 PM

6. Where is your evidence for that? n/t

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 05:25 PM

10. Mr. Bill, aren't you just calling for censuses using expanded

information gathering techniques? Complete and accurate censuses of the people are of course critically necessary.

A census worker knocked on our door today in an effort to find out how many people lived in a little house down the road. One middle-aged black gentleman (race volunteered, not asked for). Check. Check. Check. Check. He won't mind and of course needs to be counted.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 07:21 PM

11. And what if you told the census worker

two adults and four kids lived there. Or no one lived there. How accurate would that be?

Knocking on doors was the best method we had in the 1700s. Not now. I have been a census worker and there are many dwellings that never can be accessed. Gates, hostile signage, vicious animals, etc. The census trains workers to take any unnecessary risks, and for good reason.

My wife has studied genealogy for decades. One thing she has learned is that old census workers are mostly accurate, but far from 100%.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 08:29 PM

5. "Despite COURT ORDER!!!"

"US official: 2020 census to end Oct. 5 despite court order

U.S. Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross says the 2020 census will end Oct. 5, despite a federal judge's ruling last week that the head count of every U.S. resident should continue through the end of October, according to a tweet posted on the Census Bureau's website Monday"

How do they get away with this all the fucking time????!!!!????!!!!?????!!!!??!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 06:13 PM

9. They haven't gotten away with it.

It's like saying that a punk that holds up a 7-11 and gets a block away has escaped scot-free. Ignore the video footage, identification by the clerk, fingerprints and the likely forensic investigation, arrest, arraignment, trial, sentencing, and fine or jail time. The punk obviously completely got away with it since he managed to go 24 hours without being incarcerated.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 09:17 PM

7. How would we know which states would be undercounted

jf we didn't know what the real total is already?

I'm watching the debate. See you later.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 10:23 PM

8. we do not know the real total

we know the total for 2010 we can assume births and deaths since then but if it is not tallied it is total conjecture.

I plowed through 106 degree heat for 2 weeks trying to clean up these non respondents.

We are still working but since Texas is hovering around 95% completion workers are being exported to Arizona to help them clean up. We had a team in Oklahoma a few weeks ago.

I still have a clutch of residences that I can't get to. These are highly secure apartment complexes with access codes.

I have had better luck in some of the poorer areas .

These states which are being undercounted will lose Congressional representation and Texas and California will pick them up. Since we are hanging at 95% our count is likely to gain us at least 3 new COngressional seats.

Now all we need to do is elect a Democratic State Lege and we can have some say in redrawing that map!

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Response to yellowdogintexas (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 1, 2020, 07:24 PM

12. We don't have to assume births and deaths.

They are clearly and reliably documented. I was a census worker, too ten years ago. You are correct there are places you can not access.

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