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Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:28 PM

Florida coronavirus deaths decline, new cases rise

Source: The Palm Beach Post

The daily toll from coronavirus deaths reported in Florida dropped to 63 Saturday after four days above 140.

But the number of statewide cases reached a weeklong high at 3,573, topping 3,000 for the ninth time in the past 18 days.

As Florida has eased up on business restrictions and classrooms prepare to open Monday in Palm Beach County, the constant presence of the virus remains visible in the daily reports from the Florida Department of Health.

But a key marker of the spread of the disease, the daily percentage of positive tests, remained below 5% both statewide and in Palm Beach County.

Read more: https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/2020/09/19/coronavirus-cases-high-weeklong-high-3-573/5838360002/



Death is a lagging indicator and Florida was the leading destination for many Labor Day travelers. So, just as Florida deaths start to decline, cases once again start to inch up. It will be interesting to see how things look about one month after Labor Day.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:33 PM

1. Check out Worldometers bar graph...US is increasing

and has been for 2 weeks. We are still in our first wave too.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Europe is really increasing and setting new records in some countries (France and Spain especially). The deaths in Europe aren't spiking though, not yet anyway.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:48 PM

2. There is no doubt the numbers are being

manipulated in Florida and other red states. It will take a long time after this admin to sort out the truth.

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Response to Bev54 (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:56 PM

3. Something weird is going on with the Florida numbers.

Earlier today Florida reported over 100 new deaths and as the day progressed the numbers started to tick down. This has happened quite a number of times. I do believe you might be right about the numbers being manipulated. We may never know the truth.

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Response to SunnyATT (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 20, 2020, 07:09 AM

13. That did not happen here today

Please edit the misinformation from your post.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:56 PM

4. If you look at the graphs on Worldometers, you'll see that both cases and deaths...

drop off on the weekends. Down some on Saturday, more on Sunday, regain a bit on Monday, and then go higher on Tuesday thru Friday.

I'm sure it has to do with the reporting offices not being open, or completely staffed on the weekends. This seems to be particularly evident with the number of deaths.

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Response to patphil (Reply #4)

Sat Sep 19, 2020, 09:49 PM

7. Yes, I've noticed that too

but that doesn't explain why at 9am there are 146 deaths reported and by 4pm the number has dropped to 62. That particular phenomenon seems only occur with Florida. I can understand the rate perhaps going up during the day but not down.

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Response to SunnyATT (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 20, 2020, 07:10 AM

14. QUIT POSTING MISINFORMATION

They do not update until later in the morning, so the 146 was the day before's.
I know you k ow that, so stop with this misinformation.

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Response to SunnyATT (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 20, 2020, 07:14 AM

15. Explained by voodoo reanimation, no doubt.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Sep 19, 2020, 09:05 PM

5. They aren't testing as much so true numbers not real

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Sep 19, 2020, 09:12 PM

6. Florida: 24th highest in daily new cases per capita, 7 day moving average

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html
(no paywall issues or quota issues for NY Times coronavirus coverage)

Scroll down to the "Cases and deaths by state and county" table.
Sort it by the "per 100,000" column that follows the "cases in last 7 days" column

Not sure why Florida merits a post almost every day in LBN when there are 23 states that are worse on a per capita basis.

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/florida-coronavirus-cases.html

It's down about 90% from its July peak but is heading up a little -- about 10% in the last 4 days (7 day moving average).

The U.S. overall is up 16% in the same time period.

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Response to progree (Reply #6)

Sat Sep 19, 2020, 10:02 PM

8. Because People Dying From a Pandemic Is an Important Issue?

If you look at the John Hopkins overview, Florida is by far the largest state among the top 10 states with a positivity rate over 10 percent. Its test numbers have been declining, so you would expect case numbers to also fall, but they are starting to edge up after Labor Day. Florida has taken a very aggressive approach in terms of trying to repeatedly reopen in the midst of a pandemic.

It is sort of like South Dakota before Sturgis. The Governor was patting herself on the back and welcoming Sturgis, but now they have one of the highest positivity rates in the Nation.

Likewise, look at Wisconsin, whose Supreme Court has been very aggressive in striking down measures to prevent the spread of the virus. Wisconsin is in the top 10 for positivity.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/tracker/overview

I think we cannot just accept that thousands of Americans have died under Trump's watch.

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #8)

Sat Sep 19, 2020, 10:37 PM

9. I'm just wondering why the other 23 states with higher per capita new cases rates don't

get more than a tiny fraction of the attention that Florida does. That was my only point.

I in no way, nor in any shape, nor in any form, said that Covid-19 deaths are unimportant or acceptable anywhere. Just wondering why Florida shows up almost every day in LBN, and any other state only occasionally. All Covid deaths matter and are horrible and unacceptable.

I'm also leary about picking on the highest population states -- that was used by the righties against California (#1) and New York (#4) all the time. And the righties are still yammering about blue states having more cumulative cases and deaths overall -- which turns out to be true the last time I checked about 5 days ago; blue states are generally the most populous states. That's why I keep emphasizing per capita, because it's not a populous state's fault that people want to live there.

Many other states are edging up lately (post-Labor Day). U.S. overall us up 16.5% in daily new cases between 9/12 and 9/18 (7 day moving average).

And unfortunately, "aggressive" opening isn't only a red state thing, we've had indoor bars open in my state of Minnesota since June 12, and have been setting new all time highs in daily new cases until Sept 2, then had a substantial drop, then back up to almost new all time highs again. Currently it's down 13.0% from the all-time peak on Sept 2, but above the first wave peak of May 26, and 37% above where it was just 6 days ago on Sept 12. (All figures are 7 day moving averages).

Minnesota visited 9/19/20 10pm: Daily new cases 7 day moving average:
05/26: 704 (1st wave peak)
06/12: 405 (bars/restaurants open for indoor seating)
09/02: 836 (all time peak)
09/12: 530 (recent bottom)
09/18: 727 (latest)

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Response to progree (Reply #9)

Sun Sep 20, 2020, 12:31 AM

10. The Question Is Whether Florida Learns. Look at Ohio.

Ohio has a GOP Governor, but he did not just fall into line behind Trump, but he took the pandemic seriously. Some states got hit hard early like California, New York and Washington, but they adjusted and now have low positivity rates.

The interesting thing about Florida is that it closed late, opened early, and initially DeSantis was celebrated on Fox News for his handling of the virus, then Florida's numbers got scary. Florida then closed up in response, but then DeSantis once aggressively reopened schools and travel in advance of Labor Day. Thus, just as deaths start to go back down, you are starting to see cases creep up despite the fact that testing has generally gone down.

Another interesting State is Wisconsin where elected leaders have attempted to respond to COVID-19, but you have a right wing State Supreme Court striking down measures designed to protect the people. The result is that while Wisconsin was well within mean to start, it now has once of the highest positivity rates, and leaders can't do anything about it, because the Supreme Court seems to be drinking the William Barr Kool Aid that measures to save lives are akin to slavery.

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #10)

Sun Sep 20, 2020, 01:18 AM

11. Yup, or whether the 23 states with higher per capita new cases than FL are learning --

Yeah, I know about my next door neighbor Wisconsin, they've been pretty moderate like my state of Minnesota, not very good, but not very bad. We've been swapping places frequently between the two of us as far as which is better and which is worse. Incidentally, I gave big to Evers for governor campaign in 2018, and am horrified what the Wi. Supreme Court is doing.

Well Wisconsin isn't "moderate" anymore, It's the 3rd chart on the page:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

Now it is fucking #3 in daily new cases per 100,000 (7 day moving average), 215 in last 7 days (31 daily average) per 100,000, according to that table below the charts.

To see the Wi trend more clearly: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/wisconsin-coronavirus-cases.html

Wisconsin daily new cases (7 day moving average)
07/26: 962 (all time peak, that is, until Sept 10)
09/04: 689 (post-peak low point)
09/19: 1787 (latest)
Up 86% since the old 7/26 peak,
and up 159% (2.59 fold) in just 15 days

You know who my neighbors are?? Here they are according to daily new cases per 100,000 (7 day moving average)

#1 North Dakota, #2 South Dakota, #3 Wisconsin, #6 Iowa

Rough neighborhood.

That's why a state that is #24 (Florida) looks pretty good to me

(Minnesota itself is #23, BTW, but I fear not for long)

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sun Sep 20, 2020, 02:44 AM

12. "Number of deaths" is a misleading metric. Just getting infected means a lifetime of maladies.

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