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Jose Garcia

(2,699 posts)
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 09:30 AM Aug 2020

Man under investigation in fatal shooting after pro-Trump rally allegedly took loaded gun to earlier

Source: The Oregonian/OregonLive

A 48-year-old man who was accused of carrying a loaded gun at an earlier downtown Portland protest is under investigation in the fatal shooting Saturday night of a right-wing demonstrator after a pro-Trump rally.

Michael Forest Reinoehl calls himself an anti-fascist and has posted videos and photos of demonstrations he attended since late June, accompanied by the hashtags #blacklivesmatter, #anewnation and #breonnataylor.

Reinoehl was raised in Sandy and has had recent addresses in Northeast Portland, Gresham and Clackamas. He described himself on social media and in a video interview with Bloomberg QuickTake News as a professional snowboarder and contractor who has former military experience but “hated” his time in the army.

Sources familiar with the case but not authorized to speak said police are investigating Reinoehl. A family member also identified him as a man captured in photos and video seen leaving the shooting scene shortly before 9 p.m. Saturday.

Read more: https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html

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Man under investigation in fatal shooting after pro-Trump rally allegedly took loaded gun to earlier (Original Post) Jose Garcia Aug 2020 OP
This was inevitable...just need make sure this isn't a smear or he isn't really a RWNJ. Thomas Hurt Aug 2020 #1
RWNJ's spraying bear mace in protester's faces? hadEnuf Aug 2020 #2
From the video I saw, the victim was largely alone and walking down the street. Calista241 Aug 2020 #4
Are you sure he wasn't carrying some Skittles? Johnny2X2X Aug 2020 #8
Maybe he reached in his wasteband maxrandb Aug 2020 #21
I get the impression the shooter and the victim LeftInTX Aug 2020 #24
I read a differing report on what happened, but all the facts are not in yet either. hadEnuf Aug 2020 #26
I was hoping the shooter was a RWNJ attempting to paint BLM in a bad light. KS Toronado Aug 2020 #3
Considering the giant BLM-fist neck tattoo the suspect has, probably not. Devil Child Aug 2020 #9
Yep, looks like he's a LWNJ, thank God the RWNJs outnumber them a 100 to 1. KS Toronado Aug 2020 #22
Oh dear... LanternWaste Aug 2020 #30
I've missed you Devil Child Aug 2020 #31
Usually antifa don't identify themselves as such Merlot Aug 2020 #5
This ain't good Lulu KC Aug 2020 #6
He's a dangerous idiot. ZenDem Aug 2020 #10
I don't think he's on anyone's side Lulu KC Aug 2020 #29
Wait...so now it's NOT OK to bring loaded firearms to protests and shoot people? greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #7
It depends, right? maxsolomon Aug 2020 #17
Throwing ambiguous plastic bags (maybe) is a cause for self defense greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #18
Best news for RWs in a while. marble falls Aug 2020 #11
There are two shots in the video I saw when the news first broke. I wonder airmid Aug 2020 #12
The victim had bear mace. cayugafalls Aug 2020 #14
Thank you. airmid Aug 2020 #15
Mace guy fired first. Seems like a clean shoot. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2020 #19
I concur. It is clear when I am editing the video that the mace is triggered as he swings his arm up cayugafalls Aug 2020 #23
Garrett Rolfe was charged with murder Rayshard Brooks. OneCrazyDiamond Aug 2020 #25
Hey I'm just using right wing/gun humper logic Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2020 #27
Oh good OneCrazyDiamond Aug 2020 #28
It's starting to sound like a full on civil war. C Moon Aug 2020 #13
It does not look like that. maxsolomon Aug 2020 #16
The Army of the Right finally found what they were looking for. Sucha NastyWoman Aug 2020 #20

hadEnuf

(2,415 posts)
2. RWNJ's spraying bear mace in protester's faces?
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 09:41 AM
Aug 2020

If it were a protester doing the spraying the right wing would be calling the shooting self defense.

Just saying....

Calista241

(5,593 posts)
4. From the video I saw, the victim was largely alone and walking down the street.
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 10:03 AM
Aug 2020

I didn't see any overt provocation, other than his clothing which had blue lives matter stuff on it. Nothing really to justify shooting someone.

Now, maybe he got separated or whatever, but you're only allowed a self defense claim if there is an 'imminent' threat to you or others, and that doesn't seem supported by the video.

Violence is not a solution. And given many of these crowds, what they support seems likely to conflict with the Dem agenda at some point. IMO, we should end this violence while we can still pin it on Trump.

maxrandb

(15,642 posts)
21. Maybe he reached in his wasteband
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 12:14 PM
Aug 2020

I hate violence, and I hope this guy faces the full brunt of the law, but let's not gloss over the huge differences.

Just imagine this scenario. A couple of people see this Patriot Prayer guy being "suspicious". He's driving around in a car, casing stuff, circling the block, so the protesters start to chase him. One protester coordinates with the other to "cut him off at the pass".

They hunt and track the White Nationalist in their vehicles and get their guns at the ready.

Blocking the suspicious guy, they order him to get on the ground. He refuses to comply, so they aim their weapons at him. He attempts to flee and a protester shoots him in the chest. As they stand over his bleeding body, one says; "we got him".

The police show up, find the dead white guy, take a statement from the shooter... maybe the cop knows him from his time in the military.

The cops enter "self-defense" on the report and the two protesters are sent on their way.

Something tells me that is a scenario we would never see...


unless the victim were black

This is why people are protesting.

LeftInTX

(27,220 posts)
24. I get the impression the shooter and the victim
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 12:49 PM
Aug 2020

knew who each other were. (This is quite common)

There was shouting before the shooting.
Rumor is, the victim pepper sprayed the shooter.

hadEnuf

(2,415 posts)
26. I read a differing report on what happened, but all the facts are not in yet either.
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 02:23 PM
Aug 2020

I also did not review the video.

No, violence is not the solution but the continued violence that has been started by the right will only go unanswered for so long. Sooner or later Americans are going to get tired of being target practice for these gun toting Trump supporters and I really can't blame them.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
30. Oh dear...
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 07:12 PM
Aug 2020

"entire life destroyed by a social media lynch mob for a moment of anger..."

(btw-- how's she doing?)

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
5. Usually antifa don't identify themselves as such
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 10:19 AM
Aug 2020

Not saying it's not true, just that I'd need to know more about his activities prior to late June.

Michael Forest Reinoehl calls himself an anti-fascist and has posted videos and photos of demonstrations he attended since late June, accompanied by the hashtags #blacklivesmatter, #anewnation and #breonnataylor.


ZenDem

(442 posts)
10. He's a dangerous idiot.
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 11:05 AM
Aug 2020

Your link proves it. His FB page screams 'thrillseeker'. Someone who calls himself an anarchist just for thrill of anarchy. I've run into a few of those in my life.

So, if he is in fact on our side, it just proves we have a few assholes of our own. The difference? The majority of Dems have already condemned this asshole's actions. We aren't making him a fucking hero.

Lulu KC

(2,674 posts)
29. I don't think he's on anyone's side
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 03:48 PM
Aug 2020

El solo lobo. Well, except for his kids! AN 11-YEAR OLD in the backseat?

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
7. Wait...so now it's NOT OK to bring loaded firearms to protests and shoot people?
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 10:33 AM
Aug 2020

But just earlier last week...? I mean?

maxsolomon

(33,819 posts)
17. It depends, right?
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 11:45 AM
Aug 2020

Before last week, you we supposed to rush a mass shooter rather than run, but then it turns out you are never supposed to take a man's AR-15.

Crazy, huh?

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
18. Throwing ambiguous plastic bags (maybe) is a cause for self defense
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 11:57 AM
Aug 2020

Blasting people with bear mace is not.

It's all very clear.

airmid

(502 posts)
12. There are two shots in the video I saw when the news first broke. I wonder
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 11:28 AM
Aug 2020

who discharged their weapon first? Did the victim have a weapon? I wish I could find the video again but have had no luck.

cayugafalls

(5,735 posts)
14. The victim had bear mace.
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 11:41 AM
Aug 2020

Here is enhanced video of the incident. Both shots came from same gun, the shooter. You can see the mace cloud start when the victim begins to raise his arm, right before the shots. If you listen closely, you can hear the hiss of the mace canister. I am working on enhancing the sound quality to bring up that hiss.


Hassin Bin Sober

(26,462 posts)
19. Mace guy fired first. Seems like a clean shoot.
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 12:03 PM
Aug 2020

By right wingers standards.

Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta was shot in the back after discharging a police taser and running away.

In that case we learned how less than lethal versus a gun was justified for use of a gun.

Every right wing gun humper on the planet opined to that effect.

cayugafalls

(5,735 posts)
23. I concur. It is clear when I am editing the video that the mace is triggered as he swings his arm up
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 12:26 PM
Aug 2020

In the heat of the moment, the shooter reacted to the motion of his arm. I am not taking sides on this, just trying to discern the facts.

In Kenosha, a person who had already murdered one protester, is being lauded for killing another and wounding one more, because he was defending himself from unarmed protesters trying to capture said "killer".

Using the logic of the far right, you are correct.

Using my logic, he was killed trying to non-lethally defend himself from an assailant. At the end of the day, there are no winners, only losers.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,462 posts)
27. Hey I'm just using right wing/gun humper logic
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 02:48 PM
Aug 2020

This case was worse. In the Brooks case the taser was spent and Brooks was running.

In this case the perp was actively trying to disable the victim. The victim was in peril of grievous bodily harm or death

The perp had his weapon in a holster. How did the victim know it wasn’t a gun?

maxsolomon

(33,819 posts)
16. It does not look like that.
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 11:43 AM
Aug 2020

The goal of the Boogaloo Boys may be a full-on Civil War, but these shootings do not constitute a Civil War.

Civil UNREST, yes. This is what the National Guard exists to quell.

Sucha NastyWoman

(2,783 posts)
20. The Army of the Right finally found what they were looking for.
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 12:12 PM
Aug 2020

They know we are 99% non-violent, but every group has their maladjusted members and they finally found one that would play their game.

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