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Jose Garcia

(2,718 posts)
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 01:57 PM Jul 2020

Trump aims to bar undocumented immigrants from counting toward House representation

Source: The Hill

President Trump on Tuesday issued an executive order that blocks undocumented immigrants from being counted in the 2020 census for the purpose of allocating congressional representation.

The order, which immediately prompted legal challenges, amounts to something of a workaround for Trump after the Supreme Court last year blocked the administration from adding a citizenship question to the decennial survey.

The rationale for the memo rests on the argument that the president has final say over transmitting the final census report to Congress and that the constitution does not explicitly define which persons must be included in determining apportionment.

"The discretion delegated to the executive branch to determine who qualifies as an 'inhabitant' includes authority to exclude from the apportionment base aliens who are not in a lawful immigration status," the order states. "Excluding these illegal aliens from the apportionment base is more consonant with the principles of representative democracy underpinning our system of Government.

Read more: https://thehill.com/latino/508314-trump-aims-to-bar-undocumented-immigrants-from-counting-toward-house-representation

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Trump aims to bar undocumented immigrants from counting toward House representation (Original Post) Jose Garcia Jul 2020 OP
Is Trump really this dumb? Botany Jul 2020 #1
For what it's worth, it's called a memorandum and not an executive order. mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2020 #2
It gives his little 🍄 a lift thinking of the power his office holds. nt GentryDixon Jul 2020 #7
More racism and xenophobic hatred. PatrickforO Jul 2020 #3
Excluding those beholden to a foreign power bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #4
So by imperial edict the Pig is what? demanding that the census takers get proof of citizenship? Thomas Hurt Jul 2020 #5
Psst! Don't tell Donny but the census is already done. Botany Jul 2020 #6
That question is not on the census form.... lamp_shade Jul 2020 #8
How about a compromise? Odoreida Jul 2020 #9
Point Taken n/t DallasNE Jul 2020 #12
Ironically, that's probably the correct answer MosheFeingold Jul 2020 #19
Without The Citizenship Question DallasNE Jul 2020 #10
You are right on all counts, but CaptYossarian Jul 2020 #17
It's my understanding that census has always just included counting the folks living in the area. iluvtennis Jul 2020 #11
Not possible budkin Jul 2020 #13
If we don't count them, they'll go away - same logic as bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #14
How 3/5 of a person of Fuck Face 47of74 Jul 2020 #15
Rewriting the Constitution on the fly? George II Jul 2020 #16
Just until King Donald the Least writes his own. CaptYossarian Jul 2020 #18

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
5. So by imperial edict the Pig is what? demanding that the census takers get proof of citizenship?
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 02:09 PM
Jul 2020

This is fn stupid, more posturing and red meat for the fascist a hole cultists.

Trump just keeps pounding away with the bigot fest hoping there are enough to get him re-elected.


(3,051 posts)
19. Ironically, that's probably the correct answer
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 05:47 PM
Jul 2020

The "free Persons" referred to is earlier defined as "we the people" forming the Constitution -- i.e. citizens.

Everyone else is 3/5:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.

Creepy, but probably accurate.


(7,452 posts)
10. Without The Citizenship Question
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 02:22 PM
Jul 2020

How can they determine citizenship for this purpose. Plus, it would have almost no effect on allocation of congressional seats, assuming that each state has a similar percentage of non-citizens. There is a fixed 435 members of the House. It sounds like a big waste of money on what would certainly be a nominal impact. California, Texas and Florida may each lose one seat and where those 3 seats might go is anybody's guess. But it depends more on how close some state is to gaining or losing a seat without this change than anything else.


(6,448 posts)
17. You are right on all counts, but
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 05:29 PM
Jul 2020

this might not help traditional red states, like TX and FL.

Trump is zeroing in on CA because he's obsessing over Newsome, Pelosi, Schiff, etc.

Trump wants to shift more Congressional seats to the states he carried in '16. Many of these will flip in just over 3 months.

He's delusional.


(20,217 posts)
11. It's my understanding that census has always just included counting the folks living in the area.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 02:22 PM
Jul 2020

There is no distinction on citizen vs non citizen.

As long as they reside in the area, they are included in the count. It's needed to know if need to increase #schools, #grocery stores, etc.

trump is a fkn cretin

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