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Mon Jul 13, 2020, 05:52 PM

US rejects nearly all Chinese claims in South China Sea

Source: AP

By MATTHEW LEE and LOLITA C. BALDOR

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration escalated its actions against China on Monday by stepping squarely into one of the most sensitive regional issues dividing them and rejecting outright nearly all of Beijing’s significant maritime claims in the South China Sea.

The administration presented the decision as an attempt to curb China’s increasing assertiveness in the region with a commitment to recognizing international law. But it will almost certainly have the more immediate effect of further infuriating the Chinese, who are already retaliating against numerous U.S. sanctions and other penalties on other matters.

It also comes as President Donald Trump has come under growing fire for his response to the COVID-19 pandemic, stepped up criticism of China ahead of the 2020 election and sought to paint his expected Democratic challenger, former Vice President Joe Biden, as weak on China.

Previously, U.S. policy had been to insist that maritime disputes between China and its smaller neighbors be resolved peacefully through U.N.-backed arbitration. But in a statement released Monday, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the U.S. now regards virtually all Chinese maritime claims outside its internationally recognized waters to be illegitimate. The shift does not involve disputes over land features that are above sea level, which are considered to be “territorial” in nature.



In this photo provided by U.S. Navy, the USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76) and USS Nimitz (CVN 68) Carrier Strike Groups steam in formation, in the South China Sea, Monday, July 6, 2020. China on Monday, July 6, accused the U.S. of flexing its military muscles in the South China Sea by conducting joint exercises with two U.S. aircraft carrier groups in the strategic waterway.(Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Jason Tarleton/U.S. Navy via AP)


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Reply US rejects nearly all Chinese claims in South China Sea (Original post)
Omaha Steve Jul 13 OP
bluewater Jul 13 #1
cstanleytech Jul 13 #2
bluewater Jul 13 #3
cstanleytech Jul 13 #4
bluewater Jul 13 #5
marie999 Jul 13 #9
bluewater Jul 13 #10
marie999 Jul 13 #12
rockfordfile Jul 13 #13
bluewater Jul 13 #14
marie999 Jul 14 #19
Calista241 Jul 13 #16
Roy Rolling Jul 13 #6
ripcord Jul 13 #7
Warpy Jul 13 #8
Calista241 Jul 13 #17
Warpy Jul 14 #18
dalton99a Jul 13 #11
Tbear Jul 13 #15
Baclava Jul 14 #20

Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2020, 05:55 PM

1. Trump wagging the dog.

I have been expecting military adventurism from him as his polls plummet.



China might be too big a target though, I was/am expecting some open attack on Iran, but I guess Trump thinks the public is bored with cruise missile attacks.

Dangerous times, tRump is getting desperate.

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Response to bluewater (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 13, 2020, 06:16 PM

2. Still China really has a far weaker claim to the area than some of the other countries

in the region.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 13, 2020, 06:20 PM

3. Don't take the bait and get distracted by tRump.

Military posturing is about all he has left.

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Response to bluewater (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 13, 2020, 06:22 PM

4. I know but I am simply saying that China has a weak claim to the area.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 13, 2020, 06:23 PM

5. Don't take the bait and go off on a tangent.

This is a planned distraction from tRump.

Has anything changed geopolitically besides Trump's poll numbers tanking? Nope.

The discussion, in this subthread, should stay on WHY tRump is pushing this now. The reason is to buttress his sagging poll numbers with a distraction based on military posturing.






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Response to marie999 (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 13, 2020, 09:39 PM

10. It's definitely going on a tangent when replying to me in this sub-thread

I raised the issue of Trump wagging the dog and using this as a distraction.

Other people are free to, and have, raised other points about the OP article, but did not address them to me in this subthread.

It's that simple.



Care to comment on whether tRump is using this as yet another distraction from his inept handling of the pandemic?



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Response to marie999 (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 13, 2020, 09:50 PM

13. No at this time it's a intentional distraction

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Response to marie999 (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 13, 2020, 09:56 PM

14. I respect your opinion, but still feel tRump is trying to distract us.

Why?

The timing of it. There has been no recent triggering incident except Trump's plummeting poll numbers.

I feel that trump is employing the well known technique of evoking military posturing to short circuit criticism of himself on other issues.
This technique is so well known it has a name, wagging the dog, and was even the subject of a movie many years back. Either Dustin Hoffman or Al Pacino starred in that, I always confuse those two.

Thanks for understanding my desire to keep this subthread more or less on topic.

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Response to bluewater (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 13, 2020, 10:37 PM

16. This is the same policy followed by the Obama Adminstration.

Letting China exert a territorial claim on the entire South China Sea would be a mistake of massive proportions.

It would be like the US claiming the entire Gulf of Mexico as our territorial waters, and regulating / taxing / inspecting what shipping passes through those waters, even if a ship not coming here and is going to Mexico, Venezuela, Panama, etc.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2020, 06:53 PM

6. China Accuses U.S. of "Flexing it's Military Muscles"

Here’s the guy calling the shots...

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2020, 06:56 PM

7. This has been necessary for awhile

Better to head it off now since we will be involved with any conflict involving China and the Philippines.

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Response to ripcord (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 13, 2020, 07:23 PM

8. I agree, it most likely should have been done many years ago

and handled through the UN. Dumdum's sabre rattling is not going to do anyone much good, I'm afraid.

Cue stock market jitters in 3-2-1...

He's fixated on having China as an enemy and hopes that will scare his morons into voting for him. You know, they sent us that virus to make him look bad and all that.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 13, 2020, 10:40 PM

17. The UN can't do anything in this case.

China has a veto on the UNSC.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 14, 2020, 02:03 AM

18. Apparently the World Court has ruled against them

Xi is playing a few dangerous games these days.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2020, 09:44 PM

11. The South China Sea belongs to China as much as the Arabian Sea belongs to Saudi Arabia

or the Gulf of Mexico belongs to Mexico

China's territorial claims are garbage


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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2020, 10:21 PM

15. Nice Photo Op Must Have Been in a Hurry ?

What could Putin gain from any tension or conflict in the South China Sea?

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2020, 09:51 AM

20. China and Iran are working a huge economic and military deal, China gets cheap oil and opens market

25 years of cheap Iranian oil and "joint research and weapons development", so they could slip them some nukes on the sly? Perfect.

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