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George II

(67,782 posts)
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 10:37 PM Jul 2020

'Compassionless': Lawsuit says Bernie Sanders campaign demoted staffer day after cancer surgery

Source: NBC News

July 10, 2020, 6:26 PM EDT / Updated July 10, 2020, 6:35 PM EDT

By Dareh Gregorian

The former California political director for Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign says she was demoted a day after undergoing cancer surgery and forced to quit after the campaign ignored her harassment and discrimination complaints.

In a lawsuit filed Friday in Los Angeles Superior Court, Susie Shannon said it was the Sanders' campaign's "outrageous and compassionless conduct" that "resulted in her forced resignation solely because she had the misfortune of being diagnosed with ovarian cancer that required major surgery to treat the disease."

The campaign then tried to get her to sign a non-disclosure agreement in return for money, the suit says. Shannon's lawyer, Micha Star Liberty, told NBC News the campaign also offered her client two months of health insurance if she signed. Shannon refused.

"It's so disappointing that a political campaign that purported to stand for so much, including access to healthcare and workers' rights, would behave this way," Liberty said.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/compassionless-lawsuit-says-bernie-sanders-campaign-demoted-staffer-day-after-n1233346

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'Compassionless': Lawsuit says Bernie Sanders campaign demoted staffer day after cancer surgery (Original Post) George II Jul 2020 OP
Another reason we need Universal Healthcare... JoeOtterbein Jul 2020 #1
Why? George II Jul 2020 #2
Ask... JoeOtterbein Jul 2020 #3
Universal Healthcare won't help one bit. sheshe2 Jul 2020 #8
Universal Healthcare will save lives... JoeOtterbein Jul 2020 #10
I responded below. nt sheshe2 Jul 2020 #15
What does Universal Healthcare have to do with the topic of the OP? brer cat Jul 2020 #21
She would not need healthcare "insurance" in the first place. JoeOtterbein Jul 2020 #26
Anyone who wants universal healthcare needs to vote for Democrats. lapucelle Jul 2020 #129
The ACA is indeed UHC. It's been trashed by the GOP, and we're tasked with getting it back on track ehrnst Jul 2020 #148
I just saw Bernie interviewed on The Rachel Maddow Show and he was asked betsuni Jul 2020 #159
Bernie likes to interchange "Universal Health Care" with "Medicaid For All" as if there is no other ehrnst Jul 2020 #161
Ugh. Very status quo. betsuni Jul 2020 #164
What does this have to do with Bernie's campaign demoting and harassing her? ehrnst Jul 2020 #134
So that would justify the demotion and harassment that she stated she experienced? ehrnst Jul 2020 #149
Nothing.. it's a distraction from what the OP is about. Cha Jul 2020 #53
Bingo. sheshe2 Jul 2020 #54
What do you think about the accused calling the allegations'totally false?' peoli Jul 2020 #76
You mean like Arturo Carmona and Robert Becker ehrnst Jul 2020 #213
That's irrelevant. Universal healthcare would not have prevented the demotion and harassment.... George II Jul 2020 #94
George II,. It's good too see you, my friend. peoli Jul 2020 #203
It seems that you are trying very hard to redirect the discussion away from the lawsuit. ehrnst Jul 2020 #133
It won't prevent HR deparments from ignoring harassment reports. ehrnst Jul 2020 #172
This is not an issue about universal healthcare, it's an issue about an employee being.... George II Jul 2020 #81
George II, I love you so much peoli Jul 2020 #204
"Attacking" you? "Trying to help?" ehrnst Jul 2020 #214
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Jul 2020 #217
Because the health insurance industry is a scam peoli Jul 2020 #75
The health insurance industry did not demote & harass this person, which is the subject of the suit. ehrnst Jul 2020 #137
Fearing "losing her health insurance," Shannon said she felt she had to get back to work. peoli Jul 2020 #153
How does that excuse what happened in the allegations, especially in a campaign that called itself ehrnst Jul 2020 #163
It's terrible that she got sick and wasn't able to perform her job after surgery. peoli Jul 2020 #188
"why are you so eager to drive Bernie Sanders into the dirt and why is that allowed on DU?" ehrnst Jul 2020 #189
I see that you CLEARLY have some issues with Sanders who is working closely with Biden peoli Jul 2020 #191
Got nothing? ehrnst Jul 2020 #193
This message was self-deleted by its author peoli Jul 2020 #198
I have said all I have to say to you, my friend. Goodnight. peoli Jul 2020 #199
Actually I have this for you. Good luck with your life. peoli Jul 2020 #200
Here is another my friend. Sweet Dreams. peoli Jul 2020 #201
Oh I got this brohamster peoli Jul 2020 #202
You keep saying goodbye, goodnight over and over. ehrnst Jul 2020 #209
Tara Reade whataboutism is a bad look. Malmsy Jul 2020 #190
I'm not going there, I'm trying to make a point peoli Jul 2020 #192
You did, and everyone saw it. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2020 #216
Why are you putting "allegations" in all caps? DenverJared Jul 2020 #194
Post removed Post removed Jul 2020 #197
Why in caps? You wanted to "show case" Tara Reade and give her importance. DenverJared Jul 2020 #205
Read the whole conversation I'm having with Ernst. peoli Jul 2020 #206
That's what he's referring to - the attempted false equivalence with the Tara Reade ehrnst Jul 2020 #211
Last I checked, this ain't Bernie Sanders (i.e. Independent) Underground. MrsCoffee Jul 2020 #207
I'm not on any horse except defending a democrat from other democrats on DU peoli Jul 2020 #208
What Democrat are you defending? ehrnst Jul 2020 #215
Well, you've made your position pretty clear. BTW - this is a civil suit and doesn't go 'to trial.' ehrnst Jul 2020 #210
Bernie can do no wrong la-trucker Jul 2020 #195
This has nothing to do with Universal Healthcare . JI7 Jul 2020 #58
Excuse me, but what in the hell does Universal Healthcare have with lack of compassion? olegramps Jul 2020 #90
I think we've seen something simliar. ehrnst Jul 2020 #218
I dig how you righteously ignore his campaign's callousness towards the patient. LanternWaste Jul 2020 #97
+1000. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2020 #173
I agree with this la-trucker Jul 2020 #196
Hence the need to get the ACA back on track. That's the closest we've ever come. ehrnst Jul 2020 #147
Not Walking All THat Talk Me. Jul 2020 #4
I admire employers that take care of their employees. TexasTowelie Jul 2020 #5
Anyone who cares about his article, cares enough to want healthcare for all of us USA citizens... JoeOtterbein Jul 2020 #6
Why? George II Jul 2020 #7
Because it's a winning issue and it saves lives... JoeOtterbein Jul 2020 #11
You have no issue with her being threatened to be fired because she had surgery? sheshe2 Jul 2020 #14
Why do you believe this divisive, and unnecessary gratuitous, hit piece on Bernie? JoeOtterbein Jul 2020 #16
It's an objective report by NBC News. How is it a "gratuitous hit piece"? George II Jul 2020 #23
Why not wait until you hear from the union? JoeOtterbein Jul 2020 #29
It's a report on the actual lawsuit. Period. And "universal healthcare" has nothing to do with it. George II Jul 2020 #41
Or just a plain old hit job you felt a need to post. JoeOtterbein Jul 2020 #43
Please explain what part of the so-called "hit-job" is untrue... NurseJackie Jul 2020 #70
Well there are two sides to the story, Nurse Jackie peoli Jul 2020 #78
This is a story about the lawsuit. It happened. There's nothing false about that. NurseJackie Jul 2020 #82
+1000. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2020 #174
Does that include Trump and tax fraud? obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #113
You sound as though you've judged who is lying already. ehrnst Jul 2020 #184
So, it's a "hit piece" because it's covering something unflattering to your candidate. ehrnst Jul 2020 #143
The article is about a woman that had 15 inches of tumors cut out of her uterus. sheshe2 Jul 2020 #24
You know, I know, she needs healthcare too. JoeOtterbein Jul 2020 #46
The question is 'why' is there a hit piece on a former candidate? peggysue2 Jul 2020 #65
Well said. gab13by13 Jul 2020 #69
This has nothing to do with Democrats or a Democratic Coalition. This is about someone that Worked JI7 Jul 2020 #72
Another question is what specially leads you to allege the OP is a hit peice? LanternWaste Jul 2020 #98
You are correct, of course. And... NurseJackie Jul 2020 #101
I'm not claiming the OP is a hit piece peggysue2 Jul 2020 #102
This is about someone that worked for Sanders campaign having a complaint about that campaign itself JI7 Jul 2020 #121
Because it's bringing up all the old wounds peggysue2 Jul 2020 #122
"Catfighting?" ehrnst Jul 2020 #141
The allegations against the Clinton campaign staffer for harassment was big news in 2018 ehrnst Jul 2020 #144
It's not 2018 peggysue2 Jul 2020 #160
What do allegations brought forward by a woman against the Sanders campaign have to do ehrnst Jul 2020 #162
I believe you are referring to the 2008 campaign. StevieM Jul 2020 #186
Yep, and this was just after Thrush had been accused of harassment by co-workers. ehrnst Jul 2020 #187
"Who benefits from a piece like this?" I think that it's more a question of who *doesn't* benefit ehrnst Jul 2020 #176
Reporting on a lawsuit is a "hit piece" if it doesn't flatter your candidate. ehrnst Jul 2020 #135
She wasn't afraid of losing health care, her harassment reports were being ignored. ehrnst Jul 2020 #169
There is actually a history with this type of stuff happening in his campaign JI7 Jul 2020 #57
+1 betsuni Jul 2020 #59
You don't believe that there is a lawsuit? Or do you think that this woman is a liar? ehrnst Jul 2020 #145
So if anyone has anything to say about Sanders but praise, Biden isn't "our" candidate? ehrnst Jul 2020 #167
So if universal health care is a winning issue why isn't Bernie the Democratic party nominee? TexasTowelie Jul 2020 #61
Because Americans are generally a bunch of silly people? Violet_Crumble Jul 2020 #64
Yet that bunch of "silly people" is what makes up the electorate. TexasTowelie Jul 2020 #66
I'd just copy and paste the template used by Canada's healthcare system.... Violet_Crumble Jul 2020 #67
Canada didn't go federal single payer until all the provinces did so independently. ehrnst Jul 2020 #158
The Guardian is a little slow on the uptake, it seems DFW Jul 2020 #73
No. I'm a bit slow on the uptake! Violet_Crumble Jul 2020 #123
This isn't an issue of healthcare coverage, it's one of an employer... George II Jul 2020 #108
Taking all the possibilities out of it, the timing was really shit... Violet_Crumble Jul 2020 #124
UHC would not have prevented the abuse in the workplace she reports. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2020 #150
Universal health care is part of the Democratic Platform, and the ACA is UHC. ehrnst Jul 2020 #177
No, I'm all clear on what universal health care is... Violet_Crumble Jul 2020 #219
Actually, the ACA is a Universal Health Coverage plan. ehrnst Jul 2020 #220
No, it was a massive improvement, but it's not universal healthcare... Violet_Crumble Jul 2020 #222
Again, the ACA has not been fully implemented. ehrnst Jul 2020 #224
A little history on Medicare in the U.S. ehrnst Jul 2020 #221
So your boss can demote or fire you when you have cancer? frazzled Jul 2020 #39
I live in a far more enlightened country than the US, and the answer is Yes.... Violet_Crumble Jul 2020 #62
But the allegation is frazzled Jul 2020 #71
Universal health care is achieved in different ways, and Australia is very different from the US in ehrnst Jul 2020 #151
In small companies Karma13612 Jul 2020 #83
Sorry, but that didn't happen frazzled Jul 2020 #85
It's ok if Bernie does it. MrsCoffee Jul 2020 #88
I'm stating a fact as I understand it. Karma13612 Jul 2020 #118
This is not a situation regarding health insurance or lack of it, it's a situation where.... George II Jul 2020 #110
Weren't two of his main issues worker rights and health care? ehrnst Jul 2020 #142
But the Sanders campaign is not just any "small company" - they are a union shop as well. ehrnst Jul 2020 #170
Anyone trying this hard to change the subject away from the OP must be pretty uncomfortable... ehrnst Jul 2020 #139
That's what the ACA is working towards, and the blue wave in 2018 was won on fixing it. ehrnst Jul 2020 #146
I was a Biden supporter from the beginning. tirebiter Jul 2020 #9
I've never seen anyone accuse NBC News of being "biased". George II Jul 2020 #19
Not saying NBC is biased. tirebiter Jul 2020 #37
Which sources? ehrnst Jul 2020 #212
Yeah...me too. Not a Bernie bro but this sounds fishy............ Bengus81 Jul 2020 #80
You mean the author of this story is biased against Bernie? ehrnst Jul 2020 #168
The author may have felt the obligation to report tirebiter Jul 2020 #181
You have a lot of theories about this story, none of which are that Ms Shannon is being honest ehrnst Jul 2020 #182
Always a good move. Sapient Donkey Jul 2020 #178
I think that the paperwork from HR will speak volumes about who is telling the truth ehrnst Jul 2020 #183
Looks like another hit piece from the "usual"... JoeOtterbein Jul 2020 #12
NBC News isn't "Anti-Bernie". George II Jul 2020 #18
Hahahahahaha peoli Jul 2020 #79
You don't believe NBC should have... reACTIONary Jul 2020 #100
Is that how you interpret hahahahahahaha? peoli Jul 2020 #116
Actually, no... reACTIONary Jul 2020 #126
Hahahahahahaha.... ehrnst Jul 2020 #152
It's only going to get worse Ahpook Jul 2020 #22
Are there allegations of harassment and wrongful demotion in Biden's campaign? I hadn't heard. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2020 #171
This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Jul 2020 #89
So, it's a "nasty" hit piece if it reports on something unflattering about your candidate. ehrnst Jul 2020 #140
I didn't read it as a hit piece. Sapient Donkey Jul 2020 #179
More unfortunate news about sexist behavior from Bernie Bros dlk Jul 2020 #13
Do we want the votes of us... JoeOtterbein Jul 2020 #17
Are you saying that you won't vote for Biden in November? George II Jul 2020 #20
Hmmm. sheshe2 Jul 2020 #25
A bit of equivocation, dontcha think? George II Jul 2020 #27
Yup. sheshe2 Jul 2020 #32
Why lie about me? JoeOtterbein Jul 2020 #33
Not a lie, or a personal hit. This is exactly what you posted, about which I commented: George II Jul 2020 #38
Full of questions tonight? JoeOtterbein Jul 2020 #31
Why should I question an objective NBC report? Are you hinting that you might not vote for Biden? George II Jul 2020 #35
Asked and answered. sheshe2 Jul 2020 #36
"Hit piece" reporting harassment allegations being ignored by HR? Because it's Bernie's campaign? ehrnst Jul 2020 #175
??? greatauntoftriplets Jul 2020 #28
Are 'we', whoever they are withholding them? sheshe2 Jul 2020 #30
I Never said I would not vote for Joe!!!!! JoeOtterbein Jul 2020 #34
But you DID say this, as though there is a possibility you won't: George II Jul 2020 #40
WE means US. JoeOtterbein Jul 2020 #42
Did you not post this, as though there is a possibility you won't..... George II Jul 2020 #44
You know good and well what he meant. Gore1FL Jul 2020 #49
I did nothing of the sort. sheshe2 Jul 2020 #48
What's with all the personal questions about me? JoeOtterbein Jul 2020 #50
If I were American I'd also be voting for Joe Biden... Violet_Crumble Jul 2020 #63
They are trying to anger you into getting jury hides. Gore1FL Jul 2020 #109
Your post implied it, and more than one person got that message. ehrnst Jul 2020 #157
So you will predicate your support of Biden in November on posts here on DU ehrnst Jul 2020 #156
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Skittles Jul 2020 #45
Just another hit piece on Bernie to divide us by SORE WINNERS! JoeOtterbein Jul 2020 #47
I'm not surprised you pretend its a ht piece. LanternWaste Jul 2020 #99
How so? Should all negative news about Bernie remain secret? NurseJackie Jul 2020 #125
"Divide us" how? And who is a "sore winner?" ehrnst Jul 2020 #155
What I do not get is why not simply tell her cstanleytech Jul 2020 #51
There are no other positions in a campaign that has ended MichMan Jul 2020 #105
True but what about transitioning everyone over to support Biden? Surely that was possible. cstanleytech Jul 2020 #111
Just wow.. Cha Jul 2020 #52
Best of Healing Luck to you, Susi Shannon.. from your link.. Cha Jul 2020 #55
More from the article.. Cha Jul 2020 #56
"campaign that championed workers' rights ignored her complaints of harassment and discrimination." betsuni Jul 2020 #60
These are all very astute and accurate observations. Also legitimate questions... NurseJackie Jul 2020 #77
When I read the article last night the first thing that came to mind was that meeting in Jan 2020... George II Jul 2020 #87
I lol'd KG Jul 2020 #68
Typical, bro. MrsCoffee Jul 2020 #103
so recovery from surgery whistler162 Jul 2020 #74
I need more info Betty88 Jul 2020 #84
Same as it ever was. MrsCoffee Jul 2020 #86
The real sad part is that this happens to tens of thousands of workers every year. KWR65 Jul 2020 #91
Medicare-for-all wouldn't have changed this. This is a situation where an employee.... George II Jul 2020 #93
I said that we need worker protections also. KWR65 Jul 2020 #95
And I said we do have worker protections. Just about every state has the equivalent of.... George II Jul 2020 #96
We have laws that protected her obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #115
Regardless of the health care issue, she would have been fired from her job... Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #132
Literally zero to do with her healthcare and cost of her procedure obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #114
But this is a worker employed by Bernie Sanders, the self-declared friend of labor. ehrnst Jul 2020 #165
Terrible mcar Jul 2020 #92
First off Catch2.2 Jul 2020 #104
lol obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #117
Laugh all you want Catch2.2 Jul 2020 #127
I get it so much more than you ever can obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #131
If you'd like to have a debate with people Catch2.2 Jul 2020 #180
So, if a news story report something not flattering to Bernie's campaign, it should not ehrnst Jul 2020 #154
So Sanders personally fired her? Was the campaign's state director the one that did it under order LiberalArkie Jul 2020 #106
Sanders' operations keep having labor and workers' rights Hortensis Jul 2020 #225
How long do campaigns typically employ their staff after the candidate loses ? MichMan Jul 2020 #107
Days. Voltaire2 Jul 2020 #112
Many dismiss their staffers within days but keep a few for a while to clean up the loose ends.... George II Jul 2020 #120
This was in September of last year. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2020 #166
I hope Susi Shannon WINS! Cha Jul 2020 #119
... Scurrilous Jul 2020 #128
.. Cha Jul 2020 #130
🌹👍 NurseJackie Jul 2020 #136
Indeed, access to health care and labor rights were a centerpiece of his campaign. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2020 #138
Yet another attempted NDA by the campaign? ehrnst Jul 2020 #185
I'll just take a stab here... this thread has been infiltrated by russian trolls. truthisfreedom Jul 2020 #223
If there are Russian trolls here Steelrolled Jul 2020 #226

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
8. Universal Healthcare won't help one bit.
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 10:59 PM
Jul 2020

No job, no income. So if we had Universal Healthcare, she would have healthcare that is not really free and still be out of a job with no income.

Shannon had "approximately 15 inches of tumors from the ovaries that extended into her abdominal area" that were removed in the Oct. 7th operation, the filing says.

Fearing "losing her health insurance," Shannon said she felt she had to get back to work. She was released from the hospital on Oct. 10th, and began working that morning, the suit says.

"Because Shannon had open surgery, she had hundreds of stitches inside and outside the abdominal cavity.
She was not able to pick up anything, not even pots or pans. Shannon’s friends and family took shifts helping to prepare food, clean the house, and take her daughter to and from school," and had to help her move her laptop around and get to and from work events, the suit says.[/div

Sad that this happened in a campaign that said the are the champions of working people. They are not.

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
10. Universal Healthcare will save lives...
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 11:02 PM
Jul 2020

...that's enough for me. Sorry, it's not for all of us. I don't know how else to say it.

(tears)

brer cat

(24,544 posts)
21. What does Universal Healthcare have to do with the topic of the OP?
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 11:20 PM
Jul 2020

Would it prevent her from being demoted after surgery for cancer? Would it prevent harassment and discrimination? What do you think about the Sanders campaign offering her money to sign a non-disclosure agreement? I read the entire article and I saw no tie-in to Universal Healthcare.

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
26. She would not need healthcare "insurance" in the first place.
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 11:24 PM
Jul 2020

It's evil to sell insurance on USA citizens healthcare.

I still don't know how better to it than our own great President Clinton who demanded Universal Healthcare in his first STOU speech.

Or am I so old I'm the only one that remembers?

(tears again)

lapucelle

(18,231 posts)
129. Anyone who wants universal healthcare needs to vote for Democrats.
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 10:17 PM
Jul 2020

From our 2016 platform:

Securing Universal Health Care

Democrats believe that health care is a right, not a privilege, and our health care system should put people before profits. Thanks to the hard work of President Obama and Democrats in Congress, we took a critically important step toward the goal of universal health care by passing the Affordable Care Act, which has covered 20 million more Americans and ensured millions more will never be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition. Democrats will never falter in our generations-long fight to guarantee health care as a fundamental right for every American. As part of that guarantee, Americans should be able to access public coverage through a public option, and those over 55 should be able to opt in to Medicare. Democrats will empower the states, which are the true laboratories of democracy, to use innovation waivers under the ACA to develop unique locally tailored approaches to health coverage. This will include removing barriers to states which seek to experiment with plans to ensure universal health care to every person in their state. By contrast, Donald Trump wants to repeal the ACA, leaving tens of millions of Americans without coverage
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
148. The ACA is indeed UHC. It's been trashed by the GOP, and we're tasked with getting it back on track
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 10:23 PM
Jul 2020

betsuni

(25,447 posts)
159. I just saw Bernie interviewed on The Rachel Maddow Show and he was asked
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 10:58 PM
Jul 2020

"Why is it [universal health care] not part of the Biden platform at this point?" But it is!

Bernie answered that Biden has "moved a whole lot" and now "proposes to lower the eligibility for Medicare from 65 to 60" and lower pharmaceutical costs. BUT THE 2016 PLATFORM WAS MEDICARE AT 55 AND ACA WITH PUBLIC OPTION AND LOWER PHARMA COSTS AND MORE.



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
161. Bernie likes to interchange "Universal Health Care" with "Medicaid For All" as if there is no other
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 08:44 AM
Jul 2020

UHC, and any other leader's proposal is not UHC.

Very status quo political branding technique.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
134. What does this have to do with Bernie's campaign demoting and harassing her?
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 09:45 PM
Jul 2020

One would think that Senator Sanders of all people would understand the ramifications of this action, especially in a campaign.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
213. You mean like Arturo Carmona and Robert Becker
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 12:11 PM
Jul 2020
denied the allegations against them?

Of course they are going to deny it. It looks very bad for the campaign and them if they don't. I suppose that we'll hear that the upper management didn't know about what was going on.

But I think that the HR records will show who's more credible.

Why do you think Senator Sanders would hire such a blatant liar as you seem to think Ms. Shannon is such for an important position in his campaign? Vetting problems?

George II

(67,782 posts)
94. That's irrelevant. Universal healthcare would not have prevented the demotion and harassment....
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 10:19 AM
Jul 2020

....of this woman.

If you think it would, could you explain please?

Thanks.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
133. It seems that you are trying very hard to redirect the discussion away from the lawsuit.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 09:44 PM
Jul 2020

Because the implicatiions are pretty disturbing, particularly in light of Sanders' campaign statements and positions on healthcare and labor rights.

George II

(67,782 posts)
81. This is not an issue about universal healthcare, it's an issue about an employee being....
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 08:08 AM
Jul 2020

....demoted because of her surgery (regardless of how that surgery was paid for), harassed, and then forced to quit.

Nothing in any universal healthcare proposals cover employee demotion or harassment.

Response to peoli (Reply #204)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
137. The health insurance industry did not demote & harass this person, which is the subject of the suit.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 09:52 PM
Jul 2020

It's rather disturbing in light of the Senator's statements during his campaign concerning labor rights.

 

peoli

(3,111 posts)
153. Fearing "losing her health insurance," Shannon said she felt she had to get back to work.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 10:34 PM
Jul 2020

The health insurance industry is a living, breathing harassment to every citizen of this country. It's a scam and a half.

Also, if we had Medicare for ALL perhaps she, like millions of others, wouldn't be terrified of losing their health insurance....perhaps she would have felt like she didn't have to rush back to work.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
163. How does that excuse what happened in the allegations, especially in a campaign that called itself
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 09:05 AM
Jul 2020

the biggest friend to labor, proudly proclaiming itself the first to have it's staff organize into a union? Are you saying that the employer was justified in harrassing and demoting her for choosing to return to work for whatever reason, having a paycheck to pay the rent being among them?



What reaction do you think Sanders would have had about any other candidate campaign that faced allegations of ignoring harassment and discrimination complaints?

Why do you think that tried to make her sign an NDA, if indeed they thought how they handled this was all well and good?


Perhaps you missed this in the OP, or you wouldn't say that she felt she needed to rush back to work because she was "terrified" that "she would lose her health care" - she wasn't being told that she was losing her health care, but that she was being demoted.

That September, she was diagnosed with cancer, and told campaign brass she needed to undergo surgery and would be on medical leave for two to six weeks, the court papers say.

The day after the surgery, the suit says, Shannon got a phone call in her hospital room from Rafael Navar, the campaign's state director, telling her she was being demoted.

Navar bluntly stated that he had no confidence in her ability to do her job given her cancer and surgery and that he was bringing in someone else to do her job," the suit says.
 

peoli

(3,111 posts)
188. It's terrible that she got sick and wasn't able to perform her job after surgery.
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 06:32 PM
Jul 2020

I am not sure what the 'harassment' is but the campaign obviously needed someone to take over her position.

Here is a link to her tweet after surgery. She doesn't seem too upset here


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Not sure what happened after that but I am sure that you have no clue either and I am also sure that another presidential candidate faced some ALLEGATIONS earlier this year and oh boy if anyone dare posted anything about that they would no longer be members of DU and you can take that to the bank.

Here is a quote from another source

“Because Shannon had open surgery, she had hundreds of stitches inside and outside the abdominal cavity. She was not able to pick up anything, not even pots or pans. Shannon’s friends and family took shifts helping to prepare food, clean the house, and take her daughter to and from school, and had to help her move her laptop around and get to and from work events.”

https://www.legalreader.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-hit-with-lawsuit-for-demoting-staffer-after-cancer-surgery/

So my question is why are you so eager to drive Bernie Sanders into the dirt and why is that allowed on DU?
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
189. "why are you so eager to drive Bernie Sanders into the dirt and why is that allowed on DU?"
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 06:40 PM
Jul 2020

This incident and the reporting of it clearly has you upset at the person who reported harassment and wrongful demotion, and anyone who finds labor abuse to be unacceptable.

Perhaps you should think about the reasons for that.

I see you also clearly have some issues with Biden and his candidacy. Perhaps you want to reconsider those, or perhaps consider another board to post on.

The bitter, not so subtle reference to the Tara Reade allegation doesn't take into account that Reade wasn't Biden's California State director, and that accusation has been debunked, unlike this one. If you want to "drive Biden into the dirt" as you put it, by bringing up Reade, you may want to refrain from accusing others of doing so with a much more reliable, recent and highly placed source.

But since you doubt her honesty, why do you think that the Sanders campaign would hire someone who would lie for such a prominent position in the campaign? Faulty vetting?

they rely on NDAs where there are problems with staff|What would your reaction to the Biden campaign relying on NDA's be?







 

peoli

(3,111 posts)
191. I see that you CLEARLY have some issues with Sanders who is working closely with Biden
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 07:14 PM
Jul 2020

Perhaps you should consider the fact that Joe Biden has embraced and welcomed Bernie Sanders and that Bernie Sanders is influencing Joe Biden as seen in the DRAMATIC evolution of Joe Biden's recently announced green energy plan.

Perhaps you should consider your issues with progressives who are full on Democrats and part of Democratic Underground and the Democratic Party

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
193. Got nothing?
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 09:37 PM
Jul 2020


Zipped right past that question about the NDA. I don't blame you... that's gotta be awkward.

Response to ehrnst (Reply #193)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
209. You keep saying goodbye, goodnight over and over.
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 11:59 AM
Jul 2020

What's the old saying?

"How can I miss you if you don't go away?"



Perhaps it's for the best. You seem to be very upset about what's being reporting on in the OP, to the point of replying with several non-sequiturs.

 

DenverJared

(457 posts)
194. Why are you putting "allegations" in all caps?
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 12:18 AM
Jul 2020

Are you referring to Tara Reade who was thoroughly and humiliatingly discredited?

This is Democratic board and we support Joe Biden around here.

Response to DenverJared (Reply #194)

 

DenverJared

(457 posts)
205. Why in caps? You wanted to "show case" Tara Reade and give her importance.
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 09:05 AM
Jul 2020

Such things are not lost on DU.

 

peoli

(3,111 posts)
206. Read the whole conversation I'm having with Ernst.
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 09:28 AM
Jul 2020

If you can't figure out why I posted it then I'm sorry for you

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
211. That's what he's referring to - the attempted false equivalence with the Tara Reade
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 12:05 PM
Jul 2020

allegations.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
207. Last I checked, this ain't Bernie Sanders (i.e. Independent) Underground.
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 09:46 AM
Jul 2020

So come on down off that horse.

And everyone saw what you did there with the allegations.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
215. What Democrat are you defending?
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 12:21 PM
Jul 2020


Rafel Navar? The person who not only demoted her from her position as California Campaign chair, but got the position when she was taken out?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/rafael-n%C3%A1var-9a2b214

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
210. Well, you've made your position pretty clear. BTW - this is a civil suit and doesn't go 'to trial.'
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 12:02 PM
Jul 2020

Last I heard this is Democratic Underground, and Biden is the Democratic candidate for POTUS.

That seems to get under your skin.

There are other sites where Biden bashing is de rigeur, and you may be more comfortable there.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
90. Excuse me, but what in the hell does Universal Healthcare have with lack of compassion?
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 09:51 AM
Jul 2020

What I want to know if Sander's had any knowledge of this taking place. If he doesn't respond I will be highly suspect of his innocence in this matter.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
97. I dig how you righteously ignore his campaign's callousness towards the patient.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 10:59 AM
Jul 2020

And yet again, attempt to drive the narrative elsewhere.

The deification of one man often illustrates how easily and quickly we place our sacred cows on golden thrones... even when at the expense of a suffering staff member.

You have of course, fully advertised the realization of your character... whether for good or ill is a debate you must hold with yourself in due course.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
147. Hence the need to get the ACA back on track. That's the closest we've ever come.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 10:21 PM
Jul 2020

Universal Healthcare has been a part of the Democratic Platform for awhile now.

TexasTowelie

(112,065 posts)
5. I admire employers that take care of their employees.
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 10:48 PM
Jul 2020

I hope that the union takes a position of advocacy for Ms. Shannon.

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
6. Anyone who cares about his article, cares enough to want healthcare for all of us USA citizens...
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 10:57 PM
Jul 2020

...Correct?

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
14. You have no issue with her being threatened to be fired because she had surgery?
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 11:10 PM
Jul 2020

That is not a winning issue. This isn't about heathcare, this is about a lack of compassion for your female employee that had her uterus removed. I can't even imagine the devastating pain she is going through both emotionally and physically.

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
16. Why do you believe this divisive, and unnecessary gratuitous, hit piece on Bernie?
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 11:15 PM
Jul 2020

I thought Joe Biden was OUR candidate?

(more tears)

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
29. Why not wait until you hear from the union?
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 11:27 PM
Jul 2020

Or, are you just plain against both Universal Healthcare and Bernie?

(see, we all have questions)

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
70. Please explain what part of the so-called "hit-job" is untrue...
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:10 AM
Jul 2020
Or just a plain old hit job you felt a need to post.
Please explain what part of the so-called "hit-job" is untrue. I'll wait.
 

peoli

(3,111 posts)
78. Well there are two sides to the story, Nurse Jackie
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:51 AM
Jul 2020

And the accused says the allegations totally false. So we shouldn't rush to immediately become the judge and the jury, should we now?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
82. This is a story about the lawsuit. It happened. There's nothing false about that.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 08:59 AM
Jul 2020
Well there are two sides to the story, Nurse Jackie
Both sides, eh?

And the accused says the allegations totally false.
Naturally. That's to be expected, right?

This was interesting:

A spokesman for the Sanders campaign, Mike Casca, said, "We've not received this lawsuit and we don't comment on litigation."

So we shouldn't rush to immediately become the judge and the jury, should we now?
Nobody is doing that. This is a story about a lawsuit that has been filed. Are you suggesting that this type of reporting should be gagged until everything has been decided in court?

This was interesting too. It makes me wonder why they were so concerned about secrecy... what are they hiding?

The campaign then tried to get her to sign a non-disclosure agreement in return for money, the suit says. Shannon's lawyer, Micha Star Liberty, told NBC News the campaign also offered her client two months of health insurance if she signed. Shannon refused.



obamanut2012

(26,063 posts)
113. Does that include Trump and tax fraud?
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 05:23 PM
Jul 2020

He is also the accused, and says the allegations are totally false. So we shouldn't rush to immediately become the judge and the jury for him, either, as per your rationale.

When the heck does an accused in a case ever say they are guilty, unless they've cut a deal? Literally almost never.



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
184. You sound as though you've judged who is lying already.
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 12:53 PM
Jul 2020


BTW, Arturo Carmona denied all allegations as well, despite being moved to another position by HR after harassment reports.

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
24. The article is about a woman that had 15 inches of tumors cut out of her uterus.
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 11:22 PM
Jul 2020

This is about a young woman, not Bernie. Not one word about her, only Bernie.

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
46. You know, I know, she needs healthcare too.
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 11:42 PM
Jul 2020

Just like many of the rest of us.

We need "breaking news" about the need for solution instead of a gratuitous hit piece on a former candidate.

peggysue2

(10,826 posts)
65. The question is 'why' is there a hit piece on a former candidate?
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 03:30 AM
Jul 2020

Or more importantly 'who' pushed the hit piece? We just read that there was an 87% crossover from the Sanders' campaign to Joe Biden, a big increase from 2016. My question would be who benefits from a piece like this? That's not to diminish this woman's anger. I'd be angry, too. But . . .

The question remains: who benefits by trying to split the Democratic coalition, uneasy and rough around the edges as it may be.

Who benefits from a "Democrats in disarray" moment?

It sure ain't us (Dems) or anyone who wants to save the country from the clutches of Trumpism.

Just saying.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
72. This has nothing to do with Democrats or a Democratic Coalition. This is about someone that Worked
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:17 AM
Jul 2020

for Sanders that has a complaint about Sanders Campaign.

The person who is complaining did not work for Biden or any of the other democrats who ran for President.

Why do you see this as a threat to the democratic coalition ?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
98. Another question is what specially leads you to allege the OP is a hit peice?
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 11:03 AM
Jul 2020

The only conclusion I can draw is because it doesn't deify one particular politician...

Just saying. Part II.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
101. You are correct, of course. And...
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 12:00 PM
Jul 2020

... you're not likely to receive a reply. Emotional outbursts are not facts, and it's difficult to make one's case (either for or against something) based solely on emotion.

peggysue2

(10,826 posts)
102. I'm not claiming the OP is a hit piece
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 12:05 PM
Jul 2020

I'm asking why would NBC push a story like this?

The primary fight is long over. A dispute between a former campaign director and the Sanders' people isn't exactly front page news. It's a big story for the woman involved and it certainly doesn't make Bernie Sanders' or his former campaign members look good. But in the larger scheme of things I simply wonder about the 'why,' particularly after reading this week that 87% of former Bernie Sanders' people are supporting Joe Biden's campaign. That's a substantial increase over the 2016 numbers and I'm sure I'm not the only one who noted that upward spike.

I don't think we should kid ourselves about outside forces that will do ANYTHING to shave off voters for Biden. A few voters here, a few over there and the numbers start to pile up. The GOP and their Trumpian enablers are frantically searching for a way to turn this thing around; they're in major-duty trouble and they know it.

Just saying, Part III.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
121. This is about someone that worked for Sanders campaign having a complaint about that campaign itself
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 11:32 PM
Jul 2020

why do you turn it into something having to do with Biden and the current general election campaign ?

peggysue2

(10,826 posts)
122. Because it's bringing up all the old wounds
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 01:11 AM
Jul 2020

So, we end up catfighting over this issue but it extends itself out to the animosity that's been brewing between Democratic factions since 2016. I'm not saying this woman doesn't have a legitimate complaint. I'd be pissed and hurt, too. But this is something Sanders and his former campaign people need to sort out. It's internal to the Sanders' former presidential campaign which is now irrelevant to the bigger picture and the fight ahead.

Anything that uses energy or distracts from the goal of winning in November is counterproductive in my mind. Anything that gets us fighting amongst ourselves is equally counterproductive. I simply question why a major news outlet would consider this story important enough to cover, particularly on the heels of the stats published about different elements within the Democratic Party genuinely coalescing around Joe Biden.

Color me suspicious. End of story.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
141. "Catfighting?"
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 10:00 PM
Jul 2020


Perhaps you weren't around to see the glee on the part of some here on DU when it was revealed after the election that a Clinton staffer was accused of harassment during her campaign.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
144. The allegations against the Clinton campaign staffer for harassment was big news in 2018
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 10:06 PM
Jul 2020

here on DU, and much discussed.

peggysue2

(10,826 posts)
160. It's not 2018
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 11:09 PM
Jul 2020

It's 2020. We're facing the election of our lives right now, an election that will determine the future of the country, whether we shall actually have a future or not. Anything that distracts from our success in that endeavor and/or has groups within the Democratic Party fighting with one another is counterproductive.

Yes, harassment is an issue. There are a lot of issues to be addressed. But right now? Keeping ourselves focused, united and marching in one direction is a far bigger issue than whipping old wounds. And yes, I am suspicious of any story in the news attempting to undermine our laser focus on November 3rd, particularly when it directly follows reports indicating Democratic factions have coalesced on a single goal--throwing Trump out on his fat, wrinkled ass.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
162. What do allegations brought forward by a woman against the Sanders campaign have to do
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 08:46 AM
Jul 2020

with Biden's chances? Is reporting on any former Democratic candidates in a way that doesn't flatter them also a danger to Biden's chances?



Do you think that there are Sanders voters who will refuse to vote for a Democrat if they think that Sanders is being criticized at all?

Are you saying you think that unless this woman is soundly discredited by the Party, or at least ignored, that some voters will retaliate by not voting for Biden?


StevieM

(10,500 posts)
186. I believe you are referring to the 2008 campaign.
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 01:45 PM
Jul 2020

Hillary suspended him, demoted him and ordered him to go for counseling, even though he didn't formally proposition her, or threaten her job. By the standards of 2007 that was remarkably forward thinking.

The staffer was transferred to a different job, where she flourished and built her career. HRC made her feel listened to, respected, valued and believed. Years later she happily took Hillary's call.

Glenn Thrush told many distortions, manipulation and border-line outright lies in his articles. That's why this story didn't last too long on the media's list of attacks against Hillary--they didn't know how to deal with the dishonesty by a fellow journalist, so they just pretend like it never happened.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
187. Yep, and this was just after Thrush had been accused of harassment by co-workers.
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 03:17 PM
Jul 2020

Seems a lot of those male reporters who truly had it out for Hillary wound up being creeps to the women they worked with as well.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
176. "Who benefits from a piece like this?" I think that it's more a question of who *doesn't* benefit
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 11:36 AM
Jul 2020

from the reporting of a harrasment claim in a campaign, and if it's Senator Sanders, then apparently it's a "hit piece."

Why do you tie reporting about harrasement claims to "Democrats in dissarray" and how does this reporting harm Joe Biden's chances, or puts us in the "clutches of Trumpism?"



If Senator Sanders seeks the spotlight of national stage and the media, especially claiming leadership on labor issues, then people should not be offended when the spotlight also reveals something that an NDA tried to keep quiet.

There cannot be one standard for Sanders own employees concerning workers rights or or health policy and another for everyone else to be held to. That is what "Trumpism" claims for Trump, and we're above that.

Right?

After all, what would Sanders say about these allegations being made against any other candidate?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
169. She wasn't afraid of losing health care, her harassment reports were being ignored.
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 09:54 AM
Jul 2020

In fact, she turned down 2 months of health care coverage from the campaign because they were going to require an NDA from her in return.

As long as a politician is seeking the national spotlight, and a major role in writing the Democratic platform -especially on worker rights - what goes with their own staffers affects their credibility on the topic.

Would you, or other Sanders supporters be giving any other candidate a pass on this?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
145. You don't believe that there is a lawsuit? Or do you think that this woman is a liar?
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 10:18 PM
Jul 2020

Who is it exactly that we're not supposed to believe?

TexasTowelie

(112,065 posts)
61. So if universal health care is a winning issue why isn't Bernie the Democratic party nominee?
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 01:57 AM
Jul 2020


The facts do not back up your statement and Bernie only topped out at about 35%. That isn't winning.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
64. Because Americans are generally a bunch of silly people?
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 03:09 AM
Jul 2020

Why wouldn't universal healthcare be a winning issue? Seriously, let's put aside any pointless animus one may feel towards Bernie or whoever, and let's just look at what you're now arguing. Universal healthcare should be right up there, along with things like an end to racial inequality, a living wage, and protecting democracy (sorry, that's my long-distance idea of what's important in the US right now). Don't let not liking any politician, whoever they may be is, let people lose sight of what's really important...

Having said that, there's one issue that overrides all others right now, and that's to get rid of Trump. Which is why I don't care whether Biden supports universal healthcare or not. I'm kind of suspecting he may anyway....

Let me tell you a joke I saw on the Guardian yesterday. It made me chuckle:

Q - What's bordering on stupidity?

A - Mexico and Canada!

TexasTowelie

(112,065 posts)
66. Yet that bunch of "silly people" is what makes up the electorate.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 03:33 AM
Jul 2020

If the idea of universal healthcare fails at the ballot box among Democrats, then I fail to see where it is going to catch on among conservatives. We can jump and shout about healthcare until high noon, but until proof is provided that a new healthcare system can be constructed that is more cost-efficient than the current system, doesn't ration healthcare, and that minimizes government's role in healthcare, then the idea of universal healthcare is beyond the "sell by" date for most voters.

As a Republican coworker once told me, the Democrats may have good intentions with their plans but the end results don't always jibe with those intentions. Americans by their very nature do not trust government--Democrats don't trust Republicans when they are in charge and vice versa. Democrats can't agree among themselves when two or three options are presented; meanwhile, Republicans don't present any options whatsoever and aren't even willing to accept the status quo as evidenced by the repeated attempts to nullify the Affordable Care Act.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
67. I'd just copy and paste the template used by Canada's healthcare system....
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 03:49 AM
Jul 2020

Canada's your next-door neighbour, so there's the familiarity factor. The US has a massive ball of yarn-tangles to be dealt with when it comes to health insurance that other countries like mine haven't had to deal with because we've had universal health care from the start (at least during my lifetime!). And as you mentioned, there's the distrust of government thing happening in the US. I personally don't get it. I don't trust authority, but I do trust that my government will do the right thing by us in a crisis (which it surprisingly did for the pandemic). Universal healthcare is an issue for 2024, imo. Get Trump out and then the air may clear enough for it to be dealt with

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
158. Canada didn't go federal single payer until all the provinces did so independently.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 10:51 PM
Jul 2020

That took over 15 years, then a very liberal government was elected in 1968, and added a federal layer.

Single payer was voted down in Colorado and didn't even make it to the ballot in CA and VT, so no, we won't be doing it the way Canada did. It helps to know some history.

Also, Canada didn't start in 2020, with a very entrenched system, so I think that "copy and paste" would take a lot longer than you might think.

It seems simple, but it's not.

DFW

(54,329 posts)
73. The Guardian is a little slow on the uptake, it seems
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:33 AM
Jul 2020

The Guardian is a bit slow on the uptake if they only published that joke this week.

It was making the rounds in Germany a couple of months ago, and I posted it on DU at the time.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
123. No. I'm a bit slow on the uptake!
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 04:39 AM
Jul 2020

I spotted it posted in the comments section and the person who posted it said it was an old one. I just hadn't seen it before. It's sooo good, though. I had a self-righteous moment of 'People don't make jokes like that about Australia!" when I read it

George II

(67,782 posts)
108. This isn't an issue of healthcare coverage, it's one of an employer...
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 01:35 PM
Jul 2020

... possibly harassing an employee to get her to quit her job because her ability to do that was diminished due to her cancer surgery. If that proves to be the case that is a clear violation of the law.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
124. Taking all the possibilities out of it, the timing was really shit...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 04:47 AM
Jul 2020

I'd really like to believe that even when an employee's rights don't stretch to them being protected and safe in a job when they're suffering something horrible like cancer, their employer would do whatever's reasonably possible to help them get through a really difficult period.

But the US does need universal healthcare. That way even if a shit employer does the wrong thing, it's not the end of the world for the employee when it comes to getting medical treatment

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
177. Universal health care is part of the Democratic Platform, and the ACA is UHC.
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 11:42 AM
Jul 2020

It has been chipped away at by the GOP, but Democrats were swept into office in 2018 on the promise of fixing it and getting it back on track to full implementation.

Perhaps you are unclear on the defintion of Universal Health Care?

Universal healthcare (also called universal health coverage, universal coverage, or universal care) is a health care system in which all residents of a particular country or region are assured access to health care.

Single payer is one way that countries achieve UHC, albeit a rare one. Most are a hybrid of payers and partnerships with state, local and private entities to deliver care.

Single payer/Medicare for All is to Universal Health Care as toy poodle is to canine. One can acquire a canine without it being a toy poodle.

I hope that clears things up for you!

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
219. No, I'm all clear on what universal health care is...
Fri Jul 17, 2020, 11:33 PM
Jul 2020

But thanks for your attempt to explain it for anyone who's not aware of what it is. If I were to ever try to explain it to someone from a country that already has universal healthcare, I sure wouldn't be claiming that the US already has universal healthcare in the form of ACA. ACA was a small step in the right direction, but not by any stretch of the imagination can it be considered an example of universal healthcare...

on edit: I just went and took a look at the Democratic Party platform on healthcare as I figured they'd be in support of some level of improvement on what you all have now, but wasn't sure how far they're pushing.

https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/the-issues/health-care/#:~:text=%E2%80%9C%20Democrats%20have%20been%20fighting%20to%20secure%20universal,passed%20Medicare%2C%20Medicaid%2C%20and%20the%20Affordable%20Care%20Act.%E2%80%9D

I got a sense of resting on the laurels of ACA and working to protect and preserve it, which is understandable given the attempts to dismantle it. But they seem aware that ACA isn't universal healthcare, and that more needs to be done to bring the US in line with the healthcare systems of other countries...

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
220. Actually, the ACA is a Universal Health Coverage plan.
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 10:49 AM
Jul 2020

Last edited Sat Jul 18, 2020, 11:23 AM - Edit history (1)

UHC does not mean free coverage for all possible health interventions, regardless of the cost, as no country can provide all services free of charge on a sustainable basis.


https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/universal-health-coverage-(uhc)

Since you needed to look up what's in the Democratic platform to find out what we are doing, here is some information on the ACA:

The ACA was scheduled to expand further over the next decade, as HRC was discussing during the 2016 general election (expanding the age to buy into Medicare down to age 55 and insuring all children up to age 18, for instance). The GOP has chipped away at it, and it needs to be restored and put back on track. There is no "resting on the laurels" of anything, so focusing on getting the ACA back to where it needs to be is indeed bringing the US in line with the healthcare systems of other countries.

Perhaps you aren't aware that most other countries do not use single payer as UHC, but different customized and often tweaked and updated hybrid payer and public/private partnership programs, more like the ACA than what Canada and the UK have. For instance Australia has a public/private partnership to attain UHC. (even then, it doesn't cover everything. )

Here is some information on that:

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/02/21/universal-health-care


I also don't know if you're aware that the SCOTUS here in the states has become more conservative. If the 2010 SCOTUS ruled that states did not have to participate in Medicaid eligibility expansion to childless adults and those who are making minimum wage, there is very little chance that the SCOTUS of 2021 is going to rule that states must participate in a Medicare expansion to the entire population.

The US is very different from other countries in many ways. Maybe you haven't heard that simply wearing masks as a public health protection measure has been demonized as a political statement against Trump.

I hope this gives you some understanding of how much more complicated the situation here in the US is compared to other countries, and why the solutions to the US situation are going to be far less simple than one might assume.

To wit:






Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
222. No, it was a massive improvement, but it's not universal healthcare...
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 03:39 AM
Jul 2020

Universal healthcare is a system where every citizen resident has access to medical treatment that won't leave them with out-of-pocket expenses. My understanding is that ACA gave every US citizen access to private health insurance policies, which is a bit of a different thing. What my country gives is basic medical care for all citizens or permanent residents. There's going to be things that lie outside that, like drugs that haven't been yet been approved by the Therapeutic Goods Administration, treatments that aren't available in Australia etc. But for most people like me, who break our legs or have a stroke or get Covid, our system will fix us up and send us home and not charge us a cent.

I'm assuming that ACA will expand further under Biden once he's cleaned up the almighty fucked up mess left behind by Trump, and ACA will probably be the path for the US to get what we have in other countries. I hope that happens, and that health insurance is uncoupled from employment (my niece was WTF??? when she got a job with Costco when they opened here and the American head honcos offered everyone health insurance).

Anyway, don't get me wrong. I totally get how different it is in the US, and how what seems simple to me, simply isn't. An example (and I'm embarrassed now to admit it) is that I blamed Obama for not enacting enough change, and didn't realise till far too late that the Republicans controlled the Senate and did their best to destroy what he tried to enact...


My head honestly hurts when I see things about wearing masks in the US. What has happened to common-sense??? Though with a massive outbreak in Melbourne and state borders closed, a Melbourne based conspiracy theorist managed to get past the roadblocks and get to Canberra to attend some protest where people without masks complain about wearing a mask in a city where only the very vulnerable wear masks anyway. After thinking up some Game of Thrones-style punishments (being refused bail just wasn't enough for me given I have elderly parents and a child who's high risk. My rage levels are pretty high after a three-month lockdown), I decided deporting the wanker to his soul mates in the US was the best option. Unfortunately, no-one listens to me

I don't know if anything like this has happened in the US yet, but it's happened in Melbourne. Words cant describe how disgusted I am with whoever did this...

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-melbourne-fake-playground-sign-says-children-can-use-equipment/news-story/da826fa849dc6ba1f18e2dc14e4d4d84

Stay safe (assuming yr in the US)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
224. Again, the ACA has not been fully implemented.
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 10:01 AM
Jul 2020
Universal healthcare is a system where every citizen resident has access to medical treatment that won't leave them with out-of-pocket expenses.


No, that is not the definition of UHC, as I pointed out before. That's a common misconception, and unfortunately, many people refuse to believe it when corrected. Since you rejected the WHO definition, here are some dollar amounts of out of pocket expenses in countries that you agree have UHC:

The reported average annual out-of-pocket costs among Canadians in the general population ranged from $852 in 2004 to $1,007 (USD) in 2013. Respondents from the UK and US reported the lowest (ranging from $172 to $719) and the highest (ranging from $2,061 to $3,319) out-of-pocket expenditures, respectively.
....................................
We found that out-of-pocket costs reported by Canadian respondents were comparable to those in Australia, greater than those in the UK and New Zealand, and much less than those in the US.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5595213/

Health care funding will never be completely uncoupled from employers, even if it's available separately from employers, as all countries with UHC have some form of cost sharing and adminstration with employers.










 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
221. A little history on Medicare in the U.S.
Sat Jul 18, 2020, 06:42 PM
Jul 2020
Today the left holds up Medicare as a shining example of health-care policy designed by social democrats, before it was corrupted by the modern Obama-era party and its suborning of the insurance industry. In reality, powerful financial interests deeply influenced the design of Medicare. The law’s sponsors had hoped to achieve universal health insurance, but retreated from that ambitious goal in large part because insurers wanted to keep non-elderly customers. (They were happy to pawn the oldster market off on Uncle Sam.) Likewise, the law defanged opposition by the powerful American Medical Association by agreeing to fee-for-service rules that wound up massively enriching doctors and hospitals. And the creation of Medicaid as a separate program for the poor relegated them to a shabbier and more politically vulnerable category.
.....
The Democratic Party has evolved over the last half-century, as any party does over a long period of time. But the basic ideological cast of its economic policy has not changed dramatically since the New Deal. American liberals have always had some room for markets in their program. Democrats, accordingly, have never been a left-wing, labor-dominated socialist party. (Union membership peaked in 1955, two decades before the party’s supposed neoliberal turn, and has declined steadily since.) They have mediated between business and labor, supporting expanded state power episodically rather than dogmatically. The widespread notion that “neoliberals” have captured the modern Democratic party and broken from its historic mission plays upon nostalgia for a bygone era, when the real thing was messier and more compromised than the sanitized historical memory.


https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/07/how-neoliberalism-became-the-lefts-favorite-insult.html

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
39. So your boss can demote or fire you when you have cancer?
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 11:34 PM
Jul 2020

I think that was the main allegation. I don’t think we should try to deflect from that or ignore it.

I reserve judgment on whether the allegations are true or not.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
62. I live in a far more enlightened country than the US, and the answer is Yes....
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 02:38 AM
Jul 2020

No employer can demote or fire someone BECAUSE they have cancer, but an employer can demote or fire someone DESPITE them having cancer. As long as cancer (or any other illness) isn't the reason for someone being sacked, then of course an employer has a right to performance manage their staff.

Also, healthcare shouldn't be linked to employment. It isn't here in Australia, and we have universal healthcare where I know that if I were to get cancer (or COVID-19), I'm not going to have to sell the soul of my oldest child to be able to pay hefty hospital bills. Medicare covers it all and it doesn't matter if I'm employed or not. Why is it so difficult for the US to do what most other countries have done? I guess for the same reason that COVID-19 is out of control in the US, but has been suppressed relatively successfully in many other countries

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
71. But the allegation is
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:12 AM
Jul 2020

that the very campaign pushing for such single-payer insurance threw this woman to the wolves. It’s hypocrisy plus severe lack of compassion.

THAT is the point of this thread.

Also, please understand the difference between universal and single payer. The original Obamacare, compromised as it was, provided universal coverage, not tied to employment. It was not able to achieve a single-payer government option, and the courts allowed states to opt out of expanded Medicaid coverage.



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
151. Universal health care is achieved in different ways, and Australia is very different from the US in
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 10:31 PM
Jul 2020

some important ways.

In Australia, there is a higher concentration of the population in the urban areas, which makes delivery there much easier and cheaper than a country with a larger % of rural populations.

And I'm assuming you don't live in a rural area, because the health care delivery there, especially for first nations peoples is inferior to that in urban areas.

Also, Australia didn't start where the US is now, in 2020, with a very baked in private system.

Australia started back in 1974, and it's much easier to keep costs down than to cut them.

Karma13612

(4,547 posts)
83. In small companies
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 09:03 AM
Jul 2020

Who have their own insurance offered to their employees as a group:

The employees are a risk pool which determines the premiums rates the employer and employee pay for insurance.

A diagnosis of cancer in an otherwise fairly healthy risk pool could place those contractual premiums at further risk of increasing the next time the contract is negotiated. I had a boss once who told us we couldn’t smoke. It was tied directly to his health insurance contract with the health insurance company.

So, if he sees risk, he is going to want to mitigate it.

Yea, that is a horrible thing to do to someone.
But, don’t forget that this employee will now file for unemployment insurance And be able to recuperate without the stress of a job.

On the other hand, they now have the stress of no health insurance.

And that, kiddies, is why health insurance should not be tied to employment.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
85. Sorry, but that didn't happen
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 09:17 AM
Jul 2020

to my spouse when he had cancer and ran up untold medical costs over the course of a year, fully paid by his employer’s insurance. Au contraire, he was given every consideration.

I can’t believe the inhumanity of some of thse techno-bureaucratic, economically focused posts.
Does humanity count for nothing?

I’m kind of done with this.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
88. It's ok if Bernie does it.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 09:28 AM
Jul 2020

Put a Republican name in the headline and you would see almost every defender here trashing that repug’s campaign as heartless.

Karma13612

(4,547 posts)
118. I'm stating a fact as I understand it.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 05:45 PM
Jul 2020

I am not saying it is fair or just.

The facts I stated are not a law. Nowhere did I say that this MUST happen.
What I was saying is that employers will minimize risk when they can, and it can be inhumane.

Not sure if you are directing your anger at the right person (me)

George II

(67,782 posts)
110. This is not a situation regarding health insurance or lack of it, it's a situation where....
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 02:35 PM
Jul 2020

....an employer seemingly demoted and harassed an employee because her performance may have been diminished due to the after affects of cancer surgery. Health insurance did not play a factor in this.

Things like this happen more frequently than it should, which is why most states and the Federal government have strict laws to prevent it from happening.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
170. But the Sanders campaign is not just any "small company" - they are a union shop as well.
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 10:02 AM
Jul 2020

For his HR department to treat her this way, considering his campaign platform, and his insistence on driving a national discussion on health care and labor rights, it's relevant.

He could have made the cost of health care of his employees a discussion point, and how he was going to do what was right by her, even though it would cost him money.

But he didn't. And his campaign was making her sign an NDA in order to get two months of coverage after she left... so they knew that it would be a bad look.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
139. Anyone trying this hard to change the subject away from the OP must be pretty uncomfortable...
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 09:56 PM
Jul 2020

with the fact that Sanders campaign is being sued for treating one of their employees in this manner.

....Correct?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
146. That's what the ACA is working towards, and the blue wave in 2018 was won on fixing it.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 10:20 PM
Jul 2020

Universal healthcare, just different from Bernie's plan.

tirebiter

(2,535 posts)
9. I was a Biden supporter from the beginning.
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 10:59 PM
Jul 2020

I’m going to wait and see the details from unbiased sources

tirebiter

(2,535 posts)
37. Not saying NBC is biased.
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 11:33 PM
Jul 2020

Their sources may be. Biden got a lot of stuff thrown at him From very established outlets that didn’t stick upon review.

tirebiter

(2,535 posts)
181. The author may have felt the obligation to report
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 12:43 PM
Jul 2020

The source may be a plant. You gotta separate the dots to itemize the chain. Any follow up?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
182. You have a lot of theories about this story, none of which are that Ms Shannon is being honest
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 12:47 PM
Jul 2020

And if she was hired as the California Political Director for the Sanders Campaign, what does that say about the vetting process for upper level staffers?

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
178. Always a good move.
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 11:48 AM
Jul 2020

I will withhold judgement either way until all the facts from all sides are presented.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
183. I think that the paperwork from HR will speak volumes about who is telling the truth
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 12:51 PM
Jul 2020

and who is lying.

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
12. Looks like another hit piece from the "usual"...
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 11:08 PM
Jul 2020

...anti-Bernie crowd trying to divide us for some odd reason. It will not work. No matter how nasty they get, we will elect Joe Biden anyway.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
126. Actually, no...
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 11:01 AM
Jul 2020

... Hahaha doesn't provide anything much for any sort of interpretation. I was hoping you might want to provide some more thoughtful commentary. Guess I was mistaken.

Ahpook

(2,749 posts)
22. It's only going to get worse
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 11:21 PM
Jul 2020

Wait till Biden comes in the cross hairs, cause it is coming big fucking time.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
171. Are there allegations of harassment and wrongful demotion in Biden's campaign? I hadn't heard. (nt)
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 10:03 AM
Jul 2020

Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #12)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
140. So, it's a "nasty" hit piece if it reports on something unflattering about your candidate.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 09:59 PM
Jul 2020

I've heard that before.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
179. I didn't read it as a hit piece.
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 11:54 AM
Jul 2020

Seems like they are just reporting a lawsuit and what is in it. The Sanders campaign said they will not comment on legal matters.

They have two options, they could either report on it, or they could ignore it. I think I would have a harsher opinion if they refused to report on it. I mean, how would we feel if the media refused to do any reporting on lawsuits against Trump?

I do think it's unfortunate that so many people automatically assume it has to be true, rather than just taking it for what it is. Which is one person's side of the story about a wrong she says was done to her.

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
33. Why lie about me?
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 11:30 PM
Jul 2020

Because I voted differently than you in the primary?

Or just another personal hit on me?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
175. "Hit piece" reporting harassment allegations being ignored by HR? Because it's Bernie's campaign?
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 11:29 AM
Jul 2020

Is it because you will never find fault with anything Sanders says or does?

sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
30. Are 'we', whoever they are withholding them?
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 11:28 PM
Jul 2020

The worst pandemic we have ever seen since 1918 and you are saying Bernie voters are not going to vote?

Do you have a link to that?

George II

(67,782 posts)
44. Did you not post this, as though there is a possibility you won't.....
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 11:39 PM
Jul 2020
Do we want the votes of us...

...Bernie voters in Novemer?

Gore1FL

(21,119 posts)
49. You know good and well what he meant.
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 11:53 PM
Jul 2020

He didn't say it about himself, he was identifying cause and effect. Rather than arguing whether that assessment had merit, you made a straw man.



sheshe2

(83,710 posts)
48. I did nothing of the sort.
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 11:47 PM
Jul 2020
JoeOtterbein

34. I Never said I would not vote for Joe!!!!!

Please stop lying about me!!!


You mentioned Bernie supporters, I was not with you in the voting booth so have no clue who you voted for.

You are making a false accusation of me and my intent. I NEVER accused you of lying, L am following your own words. You said WE not I ( you yourself). Please do not make my words to be something they are not.


JoeOtterbein (4,656 posts)

17. Do we want the votes of us...

...Bernie voters in Novemer?


I read your post as Bernie supporters in general since you generalized and said..'We" Do we want the votes of us...

...Bernie voters in Novemer?


JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
50. What's with all the personal questions about me?
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 11:54 PM
Jul 2020

I have nothing to do with anything here, but only my own opinion.

Regardless, if I'm fortunate to vote a solid Dem ticket in November, I promise you I will vote for Joe Biden.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
63. If I were American I'd also be voting for Joe Biden...
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 02:56 AM
Jul 2020

I'd be pretty annoyed about the lack of choice and the two-horse-race thing, though. I really like Bernie Sanders and think the US would have been far improved with him as President, but it wasn't to be. The election in November is a stark and very binary choice between saving American democracy, or destroying it and turning the US into an authoritarian style banana republic with President Trump For Ever. I think Biden is a bit vanilla, bland, and centrist, but he's a good and honest person and he'll do well in undoing much of the damage that's been done to the US. With the recent tension with China, the world needs the US to be a global leader instead of what it's become...



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
157. Your post implied it, and more than one person got that message.
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 10:46 PM
Jul 2020
JoeOtterbein (4,656 posts)

17. Do we want the votes of us...

...Bernie voters in Novemer?
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
156. So you will predicate your support of Biden in November on posts here on DU
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 10:45 PM
Jul 2020

of news stories concerning the Sanders 2020 campaign?

Really?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
99. I'm not surprised you pretend its a ht piece.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 11:06 AM
Jul 2020

Pretense is the last trick one often has to maintain the reserved status of sacred cows.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
125. How so? Should all negative news about Bernie remain secret?
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 09:06 AM
Jul 2020

Last edited Sun Jul 12, 2020, 12:53 PM - Edit history (1)

Just another hit piece on Bernie to divide us by SORE WINNERS!
What does that even MEAN, anyway? "Sore winners" ??? Huh??? That makes no sense at all.

All I'm trying to say is this: It's not the legitimate news story that's divisive... instead, it's ugly accusations and rude name-calling like that (ie: "sore winners'') that's actually divisive. Why would you say such a thing? What good purpose does it serve?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
155. "Divide us" how? And who is a "sore winner?"
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 10:43 PM
Jul 2020

I've seen some sore posts in this thread, but they aren't by Biden supporters.

cstanleytech

(26,276 posts)
51. What I do not get is why not simply tell her
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 12:00 AM
Jul 2020

"We are sorry but we have to replace you however as soon as you are well enough and feel up to it we will gladly do everything we can to find you another position.".

MichMan

(11,899 posts)
105. There are no other positions in a campaign that has ended
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 01:12 PM
Jul 2020

Sanders conceded defeat and withdrew. I'm not clear on how long his campaign staff would expect to be employed anyway ?

Cha

(297,029 posts)
55. Best of Healing Luck to you, Susi Shannon.. from your link..
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 12:20 AM
Jul 2020
The day after the surgery, the suit says, Shannon got a phone call in her hospital room from Rafael Navar, the campaign's state director, telling her she was being demoted. "Navar bluntly stated that he had no confidence in her ability to do her job given her cancer and surgery and that he was bringing in someone else to do her job," the suit says.

Shannon said she was "devastated" and reached out to campaign adviser Chuck Rocha, Navar's supervisor. He "casually responded that he supported Navar in whatever decision he decided to make," the suit says. It does not name Rocha as a defendant.

Cha

(297,029 posts)
56. More from the article..
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 12:26 AM
Jul 2020
Shannon reported Navar to the campaign's human resources director, who said she would address her complaints but "never did," the suit says.

An emboldened Navar "continuously scolded, undermined," criticized and ostracized Shannon, despite her continuing to perform her duties "fully and successfully," the suit says.

After further complaints about his behavior were ignored, Shannon "felt that she had no other choice but to resign" in December, the suit says.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/compassionless-lawsuit-says-bernie-sanders-campaign-demoted-staffer-day-after-n1233346

betsuni

(25,447 posts)
60. "campaign that championed workers' rights ignored her complaints of harassment and discrimination."
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 01:41 AM
Jul 2020

I thought their campaign had a heck of a lot of money. Why not a little compassion? I wonder what the "movement" and "revolution" is really all about.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
77. These are all very astute and accurate observations. Also legitimate questions...
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:49 AM
Jul 2020

These are all very astute and accurate observations. Also legitimate questions that deserve to be answered.

George II

(67,782 posts)
87. When I read the article last night the first thing that came to mind was that meeting in Jan 2020...
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 09:28 AM
Jul 2020

....of more than 20 ex-staffers and Sanders to discuss income inequality, sexual harassment, and sexual abuse on the previous campaign.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/bernie-sanders-sexual-harassment-campaign-meeting-2020/index.html

Sanders pledged in an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper that, if he were to run again, "We will do better next time."
 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
74. so recovery from surgery
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 07:37 AM
Jul 2020

2 to 6 weeks taking the campaign into November. Any need for chemo or radiation would have increased the time away from the campaign unless she didn't reach adversely to chemo or radiation therapy. Navar handled the change/demotion badly but given the time frame of politicking, the demotion should not have been a surprise for her. Primary was scheduled for March 3rd so 5 months left to campaign for the primary. I assume demotion would have kept her on the insurance. She was the political director not a minor position in the campaign. Any campaign unless it is a winning one has a very short shelf life.

Betty88

(717 posts)
84. I need more info
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 09:08 AM
Jul 2020

I guess laws are different where I live. no one should have to go back to work a day after an operation. That just does not sound right. She should have gotten at least a few weeks to recover. I don't know any employer that would let her back in the office in that condition. I guess I am really lucky, well I know I am... When I was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer I had no fear of losing my health care over not returning to work. I had to fill out mountains of paperwork but was covered, intotal for over a year. I guess working for a good union did have its bennies.

KWR65

(1,098 posts)
91. The real sad part is that this happens to tens of thousands of workers every year.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 10:09 AM
Jul 2020

This is why we need Medicare-for-all and worker protections.

George II

(67,782 posts)
93. Medicare-for-all wouldn't have changed this. This is a situation where an employee....
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 10:17 AM
Jul 2020

....had surgery and her employer harassed her because they didn't want her around anymore. It wasn't because of the cost or method of payment of her surgery, it was because in their eyes (or her immediate supervisor) she couldn't do the job anymore.

Again, Medicare-for-all would not have prevented her harassment or demotion.

We do have worker protections on the books - against age discrimination, gender discrimination, racial discrimination, etc. That is why her lawsuit is valid and if it goes to trial she will prevail.

KWR65

(1,098 posts)
95. I said that we need worker protections also.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 10:19 AM
Jul 2020

This is a problem with our society overall. This happens to tens of thousands of workers every year.

George II

(67,782 posts)
96. And I said we do have worker protections. Just about every state has the equivalent of....
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 10:24 AM
Jul 2020

....the EEOC. In CT it's the CHRO.

Worker protections don't prevent employers from discriminating or harassing employers. But the laws on the books allow an aggrieved employee to file a complaint with both the state and Federal Commissions. After going through the process of a complaint and disposition, then the employee can file a lawsuit.

Laws don't prevent abuse, but they provide a recourse for the employee.

obamanut2012

(26,063 posts)
115. We have laws that protected her
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 05:28 PM
Jul 2020

Which is why her suit is allowed to go forward. These laws do not deter employers who want to ignore them and harass and bully workers.

We also have laws against murder and rape, but again, those laws do nothing to stop folks who want to murder and rape someone. I wish we had laws against people driving drunk, so then we wouldn't have any DUIs. Oh, wait.

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
132. Regardless of the health care issue, she would have been fired from her job...
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 08:31 AM
Jul 2020

and you still have to pay premiums for any health care...and how do you get a new job when you have cancer? It was a crappy thing to do...I would not have expected such a thing in a Democratic campaign.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
165. But this is a worker employed by Bernie Sanders, the self-declared friend of labor.
Thu Jul 16, 2020, 09:37 AM
Jul 2020

If any other campaign HR had ignored her reports of harassment, do you think he would have remained silent on it?

His staffers unionized.... and yet her basic right to have her harassment complaints acknowledged was not honored by the campaign.

If any other campaign had these allegations against them, would it be dismissed as something that happens to "tens of thousands or workers every year?"

Bernie promised us all better that that. Why do you think his own California Director was treated this way?





Catch2.2

(629 posts)
104. First off
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 12:51 PM
Jul 2020

Let's not jump to conclusions on what happened. This is why there is due process. Secondly, anti Bernie threads do not help unite us. The Primaries are over, Biden is our nominee. We need to unite to defeat Trump, not post threads attacking Senator Sanders.

obamanut2012

(26,063 posts)
117. lol
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 05:29 PM
Jul 2020

I bet you don't say that about Trump and his tax fraud.

An wtaf does this have to do with Biden??? Let me know when his campaign does this to a woman staff member, and I promise I will be the first to start an OP railing against what happened.

Catch2.2

(629 posts)
127. Laugh all you want
Sun Jul 12, 2020, 03:39 PM
Jul 2020

You don't get it, and you probably won't . As for why I brought up Biden, because we need to support him and make sure he wins! I wasn't attacking him as it seems you think I did. We need to come together, it's not a hard concept.

obamanut2012

(26,063 posts)
131. I get it so much more than you ever can
Mon Jul 13, 2020, 08:15 AM
Jul 2020

As shown by the words you write. They are writ in water.

Yes, you were attacking him.

Biden was my seventh choice, and I am all in for him, so don't lecture me, Skippy.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
154. So, if a news story report something not flattering to Bernie's campaign, it should not
Wed Jul 15, 2020, 10:41 PM
Jul 2020

be posted on DU? Because it will help Trump?

That rule certainly hasn't applied to HRC.

LiberalArkie

(15,707 posts)
106. So Sanders personally fired her? Was the campaign's state director the one that did it under order
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 01:14 PM
Jul 2020

from Sanders? It will be interesting to see if Sanders has to take the stand. Because as it stands I have to put it on Rafael Navar as someone wanting to make points. That is how it is done in the corporate world.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
225. Sanders' operations keep having labor and workers' rights
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 11:20 AM
Jul 2020

issues, again and again. And unhappy employees are female far too often for that to be just coincidence.

If I were to guess, I'd assume he was hiring too many of his antagonistic populist bro types for upper management. The aggressive ones whose passion was for attacking Democrats? That's because, turns out, aggressive antagonistic populists tend to be at least somewhat socially conservative and misogynistic. And often very. (Of course.)

Whatever the reason, Sanders could long ago have put an end to his chronic labor problems and embarrassing national coverage of them by firing managers whose behavior contradicted his rhetoric. Period.

In fact, he could have replaced them with managers from those who were instead drawn by his idealistic socialist rhetoric. But they presumably would have wanted to provide fair, living, equal wages and benefits to everyone, including low-level employees, and we should assume that Sanders doesn't. He talks of a better world but operates in this one, where cutting labor costs leaves more money for future enterprises.

MichMan

(11,899 posts)
107. How long do campaigns typically employ their staff after the candidate loses ?
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 01:14 PM
Jul 2020

Weeks, months, years ?

George II

(67,782 posts)
120. Many dismiss their staffers within days but keep a few for a while to clean up the loose ends....
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 06:04 PM
Jul 2020

In this case, the day that Sanders withdrew/suspended the campaign dismissed Nina Turner, David Sirota, Briahnna Gray, and a few other upper level staffers. Probably many of the lower level staffers (those getting as low as $11/hour) stopped working but were given a month or two severance pay.

I think Weaver stayed on for a while (and may still be on the payroll)

truthisfreedom

(23,141 posts)
223. I'll just take a stab here... this thread has been infiltrated by russian trolls.
Sun Jul 19, 2020, 04:15 AM
Jul 2020

I haven't read a single post, but AM I RIGHT?

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