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Tue Jun 23, 2020, 04:41 PM

NASCAR/FBI Statement Re: Bubba Wallace Incident

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Reply NASCAR/FBI Statement Re: Bubba Wallace Incident (Original post)
sfstaxprep Jun 2020 OP
SpazzTheCat Jun 2020 #1
EarthFirst Jun 2020 #2
MosheFeingold Jun 2020 #11
EarthFirst Jun 2020 #14
PSPS Jun 2020 #3
onetexan Jun 2020 #25
Calista241 Jun 2020 #4
PSPS Jun 2020 #7
sfstaxprep Jun 2020 #5
PSPS Jun 2020 #9
onetexan Jun 2020 #26
oldsoftie Jun 2020 #37
onetexan Jun 2020 #39
oldsoftie Jun 2020 #40
onetexan Jun 2020 #42
stillcool Jun 2020 #6
MichMan Jun 2020 #10
underpants Jun 2020 #8
jayfish Jun 2020 #12
MosheFeingold Jun 2020 #13
jayfish Jun 2020 #15
underpants Jun 2020 #17
MosheFeingold Jun 2020 #18
Igel Jun 2020 #31
oldsoftie Jun 2020 #41
Devil Child Jun 2020 #44
oldsoftie Jun 2020 #45
Devil Child Jun 2020 #43
stillcool Jun 2020 #19
SpazzTheCat Jun 2020 #20
MosheFeingold Jun 2020 #22
stillcool Jun 2020 #23
SpazzTheCat Jun 2020 #24
MosheFeingold Jun 2020 #29
stillcool Jun 2020 #34
oldsoftie Jun 2020 #46
MosheFeingold Jun 2020 #47
oldsoftie Jun 2020 #48
JudyM Jun 2020 #33
MosheFeingold Jun 2020 #21
onetexan Jun 2020 #27
SpazzTheCat Jun 2020 #30
onetexan Jun 2020 #32
oldsoftie Jun 2020 #38
House of Roberts Jun 2020 #16
Devil Child Jun 2020 #28
ripcord Jun 2020 #35
MichMan Jun 2020 #36

Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 04:45 PM

1. Good

 

At least we can say there wasn't a horrible act of racism involved.

It is unfortunate that this story got elevated as fast as it did, and everyone jumped in to assume the worst.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 04:46 PM

2. In other words they've known that this culture of racism has been rampant

Yet failed to respond...

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Response to EarthFirst (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 04:56 PM

11. Not exactly

It was just a loop tied on all the ropes on the garage doors to make it easy to pull the ropes.

It's on all the garage doors, apparently.

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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 05:03 PM

14. Perhaps they should clarify that...

As I read it: “fashioned like a noose...” implies that a rope pull was tied into a noose.

Clarification that these rope pulls have loops in them would have been better clarified in their statement.

Perhaps I jumped judgement...

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 04:46 PM

3. I thought (hoped) it was something like this. Initial description sounded potentially innocent.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 06:35 PM

25. Me too. Considering how highly charged the political/racial climate is some good did come out of

this. Bubba Wallace was able to convince NASCAR to remove confederate flags and work to diversify its sport, and also take a firm stance against bigotry & racism, knowing it would receive backlash from a large group of its fans. Its management had to grapple with the future of the sport and how it wanted to be perceived. I felt it was a very hard decision. I'm glad it stuck to its guns and collectively backed its only black driver on the issue knowing it was the right thing to do.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 04:47 PM

4. so it was a pull rope attached to a garage door.

and not an actual noose.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 04:49 PM

7. That's right. And it was described that way in the earliest reporting of its discovery.

The story did seem to get a lot of wind behind it, though, because of the well-justified atmosphere of suspicion today.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 04:49 PM

5. I Really Want To Believe This Is True

I'd still like further opinions though, given the source.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 04:50 PM

9. It is true. It matches the initial description of what was discovered.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 06:38 PM

26. i would like to see the video or in the least photos of the "rope" dated back in 2019

this would help assuage the public it wasn't a racially motivated incident.

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Response to onetexan (Reply #26)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 08:58 PM

37. I've seen it but i'll just be damned if i can copy the image.

Its not even that large. Just enough to reach up and grab with your hand

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #37)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 09:02 PM

39. i finally was able to find it but i'm still not convinced. My problem with it is if this was a rope

to pull the garage door open (as most if not all garages have), and every garage had it, why all of a sudden would someone think it was strange and be compelled to then call the authorities? Where's the dang noose-shaped rope been all this time?

Also, the photos look a bit sketchy to me. My gut feeling is there's much more to this than what's been revealed.

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Response to onetexan (Reply #39)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 06:39 AM

40. CBS showed a video this morning from last year. It shows it.

And since Wallace never even saw it himself, it never would have even been a problem had NASCAR officials not rushed to tell him it was there. They could've realized it was old & simply removed it without causing all the problems & wasting the FBIs money.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #40)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 07:55 AM

42. On Morning Joe earlier i saw a clip of Bubba on CNN interview where he said he's skeptical of the

Noose being an existing thing, &that both the FBI & NASCAR do not think this was a non-incident. I get the feeling theres alot more to this story & we need to stay tuned. I also dont discount the notion the video could have been doctored.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 04:49 PM

6. it wasn't in his locker?

Was it on the garage door after it was in the locker?

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Response to stillcool (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 04:53 PM

10. There are no "lockers" in the NASCAR garages

The drivers personal belongings are kept inside the team haulers or the driver's own $$$ motorhomes.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 04:50 PM

8. Ruh-roh

Well it was nice show of support. It’s definitely a new NASCAR.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 05:02 PM

12. Hmmm. No One Who Had That...

paddock before Wallace came forward to say. "Yeah, that's been there". I'm a little skeptical.

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Response to jayfish (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 05:03 PM

13. There are photos

Of the loop for several years.

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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 05:09 PM

15. Alright, Not Saying It Impossible.

It just seems strange that drivers and crew weren't climbing over each other to get the "true" story out before the "fake" story became a thing.

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Response to jayfish (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 05:20 PM

17. I had the same thought

Hold it. It’s been here.

That’s all it would have taken. Unless the NASCAR PR machine overruled.

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Response to jayfish (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 05:27 PM

18. I actually know why

Without having any personal knowledge myself.

They were scared of blow back.

If someone came forward and said "Um, there's a loop on all our garage doors and have been for years. I think someone misconstrued this" -- the entire media and the NASCAR brass would have jumped them and called them racist.


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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #18)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 06:51 PM

31. And *that* is a scary and worrisome thing.

Can't say a simple and easy truth because ...


The rest is all "hey, it was false and deceptive, as it turns out, but it got us power and our goals, so Truth through falsehood is a winning and virtuous path!"

I sort of still like the truth and the freedom of being able to speak. Even truth. Even to power.


I wonder if any of that particular crew had been to Talladega since the garage door pulls were put in place.

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Response to Igel (Reply #31)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 06:44 AM

41. And thats exactly where we've come. We see it here.

I've had 2 posts hidden that answered poster's questions with actual FACTS. But a jury didnt like those facts.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #41)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 08:05 AM

44. Keep posting factual data oldsoftie

It is a nice counterweight and helps balance out the tone. I’d be honored to serve on your post jury!

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #44)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 08:25 AM

45. Thank you. Wish we could have a say at who's on them! Ha!

I'm so used to pointing out stuff on FB & i get the same reaction there; usually from trump fans but even others. Even if i dont like the truth, we HAVE to look for it.
Here's the latest one i had to bust; Biden's great grandfather fought for the Confederacy & owned slaves. There's even a picture & name. Give it time & I bet you'll see it pop up somewhere. The sadder thing is, you prove its not true & they keep the post up anyway!!

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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 08:02 AM

43. You nailed it MosheFeingold!

Fear of blowback and the current climate has them all “better just hand this off to the feds.”

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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 05:36 PM

19. where are the photo's?

I'm sure that where and how it was found was photographed long before the feds arrived. Do you have a link?

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Response to stillcool (Reply #19)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 05:53 PM

20. Its out on twitter

 

[link:
/photo/1|

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Response to SpazzTheCat (Reply #20)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 05:56 PM

22. Thanks!

My fat fingers couldn't copy and paste!

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Response to SpazzTheCat (Reply #20)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 06:09 PM

23. man, how dumb are these guys?

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Response to stillcool (Reply #23)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 06:15 PM

24. I'm frankly shocked

 

This made it as far as it did before someone came to their senses. I don't know why it took several days to come out with this "clarification".

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Response to SpazzTheCat (Reply #24)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 06:43 PM

29. I guarantee you

It's because people didn't want the heat for being the one who spoke up.

They all looked around, saw the loops on their garages, and said "I ain't saying nothing."

You know the internet mob would try to destroy them.

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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #29)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 07:13 PM

34. who would possibly think..

a piece of rope hanging like that is a noose? No one. Whoever put this story out, needs to clean it up. Right now it's all bullshit.

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Response to stillcool (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 08:29 AM

46. Well, it IS a "noose" but not for nefarious purposes.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #46)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 08:46 AM

47. Technically

It's a bowline knot, according to my much-more-nautical son.

Found on boat docks everywhere. And, apparently many garage doors.

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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #47)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 09:31 AM

48. I KNEW i'd heard another name for it!! I remember my uncle tying them

Thank you for updating my brain!

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Response to SpazzTheCat (Reply #20)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 07:10 PM

33. Thanks for posting that.

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Response to stillcool (Reply #19)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 05:56 PM

21. I'm on a phone

And having trouble copying the links.

But they are all over the place now, including a video tour of the paddocks from 2019 that shows the loops in basically every stall. (Not the point of the video, but you can see them.)

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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 06:40 PM

27. you'd think they'd release those photos with the ruling?

i don't see any yet, so i'm a little skeptical.

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Response to onetexan (Reply #27)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 06:48 PM

30. It amazes me

 

It's all over twitter, videos, pictures...not the right thing to be skeptical of at this point, makes it look like you want it to not be true.

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Response to SpazzTheCat (Reply #30)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 06:55 PM

32. i dont do twitter and most social media. My question is if it was like this why wasn't it discovered

before? Did it just all of a sudden stay that way and fell down? You get why i'm being skeptical here.

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Response to jayfish (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 08:59 PM

38. Today, would you want to be that guy?

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 05:18 PM

16. Keep in mind the prelude to this incident.

First Kyle Larson, a top tier driver with Ganassi Racing, lost his job due to uttering the n-word when he thought he was off mike and wasn't, then the banning of the KKKonfederate flag just a couple weeks ago, and then this noose situation. All through this, Bubba Wallace has been the focal point of the news coverage, and he has handled it well.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 06:43 PM

28. NASCAR wasting the FBI's time and resources

These garage door pull-ropes have been in the pits for years.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #28)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 07:36 PM

35. I'm willing to bet it was someone wandering around with a pit pass that didn't really know anything

Someone saw Bubba in the garage and saw the loop hanging there and freaked out. As to why they involved the FBI it is probably because no one would have believed an internal NASCAR investigation.

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Response to ripcord (Reply #35)

Tue Jun 23, 2020, 08:22 PM

36. Currently the drivers are not allowed in the garage and there are no pit passes for fans

The only people in the garage with the current restrictions are race team members, and track staff (including security.) The drivers are transported on golf carts from their motorhome lot to pit road where the cars are staged before the race. Wallace, therefore did not ever see the so called "noose"

I'll take that bet, however I agree with you regarding the FBI

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