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Tue Jun 9, 2020, 11:27 AM

Burned Leopold II statue removed from Antwerp square

Source: Brussels Times

A statue of former Belgian King Leopold II in Antwerp that was set on fire last week has been removed to be restored and put in a museum in the city.

The statue has been vandalised and will be removed and temporarily housed in the sculpture collection of the Middelheim Museum, where it will be restored, Johan Vermant, spokesperson for Antwerp mayor Bart De Wever, told The Brussels Times, adding that it is impossible to predict when the restoration will be complete, as the damage is extensive.

In another incident, a Leopold II bust in Ghent was splashed in red paint and marked I cant breathe, the final words of George Floyd, an unarmed black man whose death at the hands of US police has sparked nationwide uprisings over police brutality and systemic racism.

The removal of the statue comes amid a wave of support for the removal of all monuments built to honour the former king, who brutalised Congolese people during the years he exploited the territory for his personal gain. Lack of reliable sources have made it difficult to form an accurate estimation of the number of Congolese deaths Leopold IIs colonial regime is responsible for, but modern estimates range from 1 million to 15 million. In recent years, a consensus of around 10 million deaths has been reached among historians.

Read more: https://www.brusselstimes.com/all-news/belgium-all-news/115940/burned-leopold-ii-statue-moves-to-antwerp-museum/



Maybe not quite as dramatic as throwing a statue of a slave trader into the River Avon, but King Leopold II caused even worse damage to the world. Especially what happened in what is now the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocities_in_the_Congo_Free_State

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Response to T_i_B (Original post)

Tue Jun 9, 2020, 11:30 AM

1. Good. About time that near gennocide was brought out of the shadows.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 9, 2020, 11:38 AM

2. Near genocide?

What happened back then probably was actual genocide.

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Response to T_i_B (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 9, 2020, 11:56 AM

6. I say near because

1. Unlike the Holocaust, it probably wasn't premeditated. In a way, something worse, indifference.

2. Many somehow survived - broken, maimed, half starved, suffering from diseases.

I know the people of the Congo are still enduring the consequences, but they still are there.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 9, 2020, 12:17 PM

10. It's difficult to say how many people were killed

Especially given how prevalent mutilation was. People might not have been sentenced to death directly, but how long could they survive after they had their hands chopped off?

The consequences of this are such that DRC has enormous problems which to this day make other countries problems look very mild by comparison.

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Response to T_i_B (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 9, 2020, 12:58 PM

12. The currently accepted death toll is 10M. n/t

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 9, 2020, 02:26 PM

14. I don't think that every single person needs to be killed for it to be called genocide.

The Nazis did not kill all Jews in Europe and the European colonists did not kill all Native Americans yet both cases are routinely called genocide.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 9, 2020, 03:02 PM

16. +1000

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 9, 2020, 03:01 PM

15. Not according to the United Nations' Genocide Convention of 1948

The Contracting Parties,

Having considered the declaration made by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its resolution 96 (I) dated 11 December 1946 that genocide is a crime under international law, contrary to the spirit and aims of the United Nations and condemned by the civilized world...


Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:
(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide.

http://www.preventgenocide.org/law/convention/text.htm

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Response to Kind of Blue (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 9, 2020, 04:24 PM

18. I sit corrected. n/t

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Response to T_i_B (Original post)

Tue Jun 9, 2020, 11:39 AM

3. A true monster. Glad to see this (nt)

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Response to T_i_B (Original post)

Tue Jun 9, 2020, 11:49 AM

4. King Leopolds Ghost. A great read.

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Response to Javaman (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 9, 2020, 11:57 AM

7. You're too kind.

He was a monster.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 9, 2020, 12:16 PM

9. you're right.

he was a racist piece of shit who exploited humans for financial and ego driven gain.

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Response to Javaman (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 9, 2020, 12:55 PM

11. And the other monstrosity was he had plenty of help. n/t

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Response to Javaman (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 9, 2020, 01:30 PM

13. That was an excellent book. I had read "Scramble for Africa" and wanted more info on Leopold ...

when "Leopold's Ghost" appeared in the bookstores as if willed into existence by the unanswered questions.





I have sometimes wondered if Pakenham and Hochschild were aware of each other's work in progress, and negotiated some sort of understanding as to who would cover what in depth. It seems almost as if Pakenham deliberately "previewed" Hochschild's book, then left a more comprehensive, focused history of the Congo for him to complete.

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Response to T_i_B (Original post)

Tue Jun 9, 2020, 11:51 AM

5. Leopold II was a sadistic monster


A father stares at the hand and foot of his five-year-old daughter, severed as a punishment for having harvested too little rubber.

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Response to T_i_B (Original post)

Tue Jun 9, 2020, 12:06 PM

8. One of the greatest assholes of all time.

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Response to T_i_B (Original post)

Tue Jun 9, 2020, 03:57 PM

17. Leopold II is burning in hell for what he did to the Congo.

He deserves a statue much less than donald trump.

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Response to T_i_B (Original post)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 01:43 AM

19. 10 million deaths!??!!! melt down that statue

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