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Wed Jun 3, 2020, 03:30 PM

Chauvin And 3 Former Officers Face New Charges Over George Floyd's Death

Source: NPR

Derek Chauvin now faces a charge of second-degree murder, and three other former Minneapolis police officers who were involved in George Floyd's death face charges of aiding and abetting, according to new court documents.

Read more: https://www.npr.org/2020/06/03/868910542/chauvin-and-3-former-officers-face-new-charges-over-george-floyds-death



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Reply Chauvin And 3 Former Officers Face New Charges Over George Floyd's Death (Original post)
AntiFascist Jun 3 OP
wryter2000 Jun 3 #1
Journeyman Jun 3 #2
Jamastiene Jun 3 #8
soldierant Jun 3 #18
mantis49 Jun 3 #3
AntiFascist Jun 3 #4
marybourg Jun 3 #5
AntiFascist Jun 3 #6
marybourg Jun 3 #11
abakan Jun 3 #7
geardaddy Jun 3 #10
abakan Jun 3 #13
AntiFascist Jun 3 #15
qwlauren35 Jun 3 #14
SkyDaddy7 Jun 4 #19
geardaddy Jun 3 #9
Raine Jun 3 #12
Stuart G Jun 3 #16
rocktivity Jun 3 #17
DeminPennswoods Jun 4 #20
marlakay Jun 4 #21
DeminPennswoods Jun 4 #25
marlakay Jun 4 #27
rocktivity Jun 4 #22
DeminPennswoods Jun 4 #24
NYC Liberal Jun 4 #23
DeminPennswoods Jun 4 #26
AntiFascist Jun 4 #28
DeminPennswoods Jun 4 #29
AntiFascist Jun 4 #30

Response to AntiFascist (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 03:33 PM

1. Good

I couldn’t believe the others would face no punishment at all.

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Response to AntiFascist (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 03:36 PM

2. Should have been a murder charge for the officer that knelt on his back, as well . . .

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Response to Journeyman (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:10 PM

8. I thought so too.

There were two other officers on his back and legs. I thought all of those should have been charged. The one with his knee on his neck was being defiant and looking right into that camera. Definitely a higher murder charge for him though. The other two, still murder or at least manslaughter, something higher than aiding and abetting. The one that was the lookout should have even gotten more than aiding and abetting too, but I am not sure what else he could be charged with. Not helping. Isn't there a law about not helping someone in medical need if they are a first responder? Aren't all cops considered first responders?

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Response to Journeyman (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 06:50 PM

18. Second degree murder is still murder.

Keith is smart enough (and sincere enough) to file charges he can prove, as opposed to the prosecutor of George Zimmerman, who (soe think deliberately) overreached himself ... and provided no lesser charge as an option.

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Response to AntiFascist (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 03:38 PM

3. So why only aiding and abetting?

What about the one who was kneeling on his back? You can't breathe if your diaphragm is unable to function. This was also contributory to his death.

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Response to mantis49 (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 03:48 PM

4. Can they elevate these charges later?

these officers still need to get arrested...

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Response to AntiFascist (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 03:51 PM

5. This is a two-edged sword.

Higher charges are harder to prove, and thus can result in the defendant going free.Be careful what you wish for.

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Response to marybourg (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:01 PM

6. I've heard that used as an excuse...

but I've also heard a legal expert explain that even if officers are acquitted of higher charges they can still be subject to the lesser charges, such as aiding and abetting.

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Response to AntiFascist (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:19 PM

11. Different states have different laws. Doesn't always work that way,

to prevent speculative over-charging, which, in other circumstances, you wouldn’t want.

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Response to AntiFascist (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:09 PM

7. This won't stop the riots.

The family already said first degree murder is the charge they will accept.
And we are still a long way from that. I understand their desire, I felt the same
way when a cop killed my brother. I carried that hate and anger for more years
than I know but in the end the police and court tortured my family by making us
go through the whole thing about every six months. It almost killed my mom.
She finally got where she couldn't take it any more and accepted the changes
they made and enough money to pay the attorneys.

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Response to abakan (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:19 PM

10. I think you're conflating the riots and the protests

The protests won't stop, but the riots were the action of outside entities rioting to shit up shit.

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:23 PM

13. I stand corrected

Last edited Wed Jun 3, 2020, 05:07 PM - Edit history (2)

it won't stop the protests. But I believe the instigators would not see this as a good
way to loot and riot, without the protest giving them cover.

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Response to abakan (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 05:24 PM

15. I'm so very sorry to hear about your brother, and I agree...

the overriding message has been "no justice, no peace".
As we slowly make progress toward achieving justice there should be a corresponding shift away from non-peaceful protests.

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Response to abakan (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 05:14 PM

14. I am so sorry that you had to go through that.

I have no other words.

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Response to abakan (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 4, 2020, 04:06 AM

19. I'm so so sorry...

For your family's pain...To lose a loved one is bad enough but under those circumstances I truly don't know you, or anyone who has been in your shoes is able to maintain your sanity?!? Peaceful nature?

...Are you familiar with Preet Bharara, former US Attorney who was in charge of the Southern District of NY for 8-9yrs until Trump fired him? Anyway, I love the guy & he has a fantastic podcast, actually two a free one "Stay Tuned w/Preet" & paid subscription podcast "Cafe Insider" he does with former New Jersey AG Anne Milgram (She's AWESOME!). So, her & Preet went into detail as to why Murder 1 wasn't likely & the hazards of over charging. They did say before these new charges came out that they fully expected Murder 2...They were correct. They also correctly called the aiding & abetting charges...But they also expected at least to see the other cops get charged with Murder 3 or Manslaughter especially the 2 other cops sitting on his back.

...Maybe that'll still happen?

...If you've never listen to the podcast try it out!! Again, sorry what you & your family were forced to go through.

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Response to AntiFascist (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:20 PM

12. Good, finally ... This should've

been done right from the start!

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Response to AntiFascist (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 05:35 PM

16. One thing for sure, The cop with the knee on Floyd was pretty sure he could get away with it.

..It is how cops often think, when there are no consequences. Again, the cop knew he was going to get away with it...Why? That is what he was taught by other cops and the system in Minneapolis"

...If the cop was sure he would spend a dozen years in jail, with other inmates who killed and carried out horrific crimes, then he would not have tried to get away with it...

...Therefore, the next cop who gets that into his mind won't even try because ....he can't get away with it... The underlying system in Minneapolis has just been exposed for all to see. Who taught him to do that? He probably won't say, but maybe in his defense he will say something like, "Other cops did that, I just went along with what was done in the past."

..Or..maybe he will opt for a plea deal and no trial or testimony. That is what I think will happen. No trial, no testimony..just a plea deal.

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Response to AntiFascist (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 06:13 PM

17. The top charge should have been Murder 2 out of the box

But either the D.A. thought that 1 or 2 would look like they were "piling on," or they were playing three-dimensional chess: waiting until "enough" evidence came in to make the charge easier to "justify."


rocktivity


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Response to rocktivity (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:10 AM

20. A complicating factor in the trial now is going to be

the positive covid-19 test on Floyd. Willing to bet the defense will argue that Chauvin used a standard technique and the virus had compromised Floyd's respiratory system enough that and whatever substances (alchohol, etc) the toxicology report showed he had in his body at the time, is what killed him.

The other interesting thing to me is to find out why the cops pulled Floyd out of the squad car once he was already in it.

This is not going to be a slam dunk case which is what both Ellison and Harris said last night on Maddow's show.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #20)

Thu Jun 4, 2020, 08:40 AM

21. The cops were fully aware of covid

When they did this so to me that says even more they should have backed off when he said he couldn’t breathe. If I was a prosecutor thats the move I would take. Everyone in America is aware of the symptoms so they had no excuse.

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Response to marlakay (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 4, 2020, 10:51 AM

25. I haven't read anything that the cops knew

Floyd specifically had covid19. AFAIK, this is a new element to the case.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 4, 2020, 11:56 AM

27. I don't mean that I meant that being a cop

During this time in America they should be aware that anyone could have it and if they say they have a hard time breathing should pay close attention to that.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #20)

Thu Jun 4, 2020, 09:36 AM

22. Cutting off air and blood flow for NINE minutes, a standard technique?

And he was INFORMED THAT Floyd had no pulse?

I'm expecting the defense to argue that Chauvin was simply doing his job with no premeditation, recklessness or conscious intent -- and he simply did it incompetently rather than criminally.


rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 4, 2020, 10:49 AM

24. I think your speculation is quite possible

or even probable.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #20)

Thu Jun 4, 2020, 09:41 AM

23. "Eggshell skull". Although I agree that'll be their defense.

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Response to AntiFascist (Original post)

Thu Jun 4, 2020, 11:01 AM

26. An interesting account of another encounter

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #26)

Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:34 PM

28. They need to get rid of police union head Bob Kroll ASAP...

are people aware of this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Kroll_(police_officer)

Kroll supports and endorses[1] President Donald Trump[27] including speaking at a Trump rally in Minneapolis[20] and selling "Cops for Trump" shirts.[28][29] Kroll appeared on Fox News' Fox & Friends to speak about violent crime and the Minneapolis City Council.
...
Kroll is a member of City Heat, a police motorcyle club[3] whose members have "openly displayed white supremacist symbols" according to the Anti-Defamation League.

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Response to AntiFascist (Reply #28)

Thu Jun 4, 2020, 04:39 PM

29. True, but it is more than just him

It's the whole culture of policing which has become very militarized over the last decade or so.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #29)

Thu Jun 4, 2020, 05:15 PM

30. The militarization of the police first became prominent in Los Angeles..

https://www.laweekly.com/the-militarization-of-police-started-in-los-angeles/

The unit's creator, Sgt. John Nelson, was a former Marine. Future LAPD Chief Daryl Gates, a commander who had served in the Navy, helped to put the team together under Chief Parker.

Gates' military-style tactics would later be criticized after he took over as chief in 1978 and confronted a gang and crack epidemic in the 1980s with a heavy hand, including the use of the infamous the B-100 battering-ram armored vehicle used to force through the doors of suspected drug houses.
...
By the early 1990s the LAPD was viewed by many African Americans in South L.A. as the occupying army of a hostile government.
“The increasing militarization of law enforcement—in some ways L.A. has been at the forefront of that movement,” Armour says. “The LAPD had the reputation of being one of the more paramilitary departments in the nation.”

In 1992 South L.A. erupted when news of the acquittal of four cops accused of beating black motorist Rodney King hit the airwaves. A succession of African American police chiefs followed the downfall of Daryl Gates, accused of sitting on his hands during the first hours of rioting in 1992. But it was the Rampart Scandal of the late 1990s that really put an end to Gates' militaristic LAPD.

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