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Fri May 29, 2020, 05:50 AM

New Trump public land rules will let Alaska hunters kill bear cubs in dens

Source: Guardian

The ‘amazingly cruel’ move by the National Park Service reverses Obama-era regulations which also affect wolves and coyotes

Emily Holden in Washington
Thu 28 May 2020 06.30 EDT

The Trump administration is finalizing rules that will allow hunters in Alaska’s national preserves to shoot bears and wolves, and their cubs and pups, while they are in their dens.

The National Park Service is reversing regulations written by the Barack Obama administration, which banned some of the much-criticized practices for hunting the predators, including luring bears with food like doughnuts.

Jesse Prentice-Dunn, policy director for the Center for Western Priorities, called the rule change “amazingly cruel” and said it was “just the latest in a string of efforts to reduce protections for America’s wildlife at the behest of oil companies and trophy hunters”.

The park service’s deputy director, David Vela, said the change would “more closely align hunting and trapping regulations with those established by the state of Alaska”.

The regulation is expected to be formally published this week. Alaska laws would still apply. The state generally prohibits killing bear cubs, but it allows some exceptions in Alaska’s interior region.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/28/alaska-bears-wolves-trump-rules-hunters

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Reply New Trump public land rules will let Alaska hunters kill bear cubs in dens (Original post)
Judi Lynn May 29 OP
Bernardo de La Paz May 29 #1
lagomorph777 May 29 #25
Botany May 29 #2
Mike 03 May 29 #5
Hotler May 29 #9
Vinca May 29 #3
3Hotdogs May 29 #4
keithbvadu2 May 29 #6
Drahthaardogs May 29 #7
Coventina May 29 #10
Drahthaardogs May 29 #14
Coventina May 29 #18
Drahthaardogs May 29 #19
Coventina May 29 #20
Drahthaardogs May 29 #21
Coventina May 29 #22
Bayard May 29 #12
Bengus81 May 29 #8
IcyPeas May 29 #23
dhill926 May 29 #11
Bayard May 29 #13
olddad65 May 29 #15
BusyBeingBest May 29 #16
turbinetree May 29 #17
TheFourthMind May 29 #24
Dial H For Hero May 29 #26
TheFourthMind May 29 #28
Dial H For Hero May 29 #29
TheFourthMind May 29 #30
Dial H For Hero May 29 #31
TheFourthMind May 29 #32
Kaleva May 29 #33
LanternWaste May 30 #36
Kaleva Jun 1 #37
Dial H For Hero May 29 #34
Kaleva May 29 #27
LanternWaste May 30 #35

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2020, 06:56 AM

1. Anyone needing to kill a bear cub in its den is a very sick person. . . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #1)

Fri May 29, 2020, 01:51 PM

25. For example, Donald Turd Jr.

He must be cleaning his shotgun right now.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2020, 07:27 AM

2. 100% gas lighting .... Boy will this piss off the liberal tree huggers

I smell Stephen Miller all over this diversion by Trump.

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Fri May 29, 2020, 08:19 AM

5. This is how I interpret these laws too.

It's to break our spirits, pure and simple.

My god how much damage will these evil people do?

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Fri May 29, 2020, 10:46 AM

9. This Nazi rat fucker is behind a lot of the shit the orange one does.

He's probably put the bug in the orange one's ear to have the CNN news crew rousted.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2020, 07:39 AM

3. The Trump Doctrine is "kill everything."

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2020, 07:48 AM

4. Publicize the shit out of this.

It will generate more negative reaction against Trump and most of the other shit he has pulled or is pulling.

Cubs are cute. Everyone identifies with cubs.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2020, 08:33 AM

6. The mighty hunter.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211970385

Poachers Slaughter Hibernating Bear And Her Cubs In Horrifying Video

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This American Trophy Hunter Shot a Sleeping Lion

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211972016

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2020, 08:58 AM

7. Native Alaskans do this with bear cubs

It is conical a traditional delicacy

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #7)

Fri May 29, 2020, 10:48 AM

10. Never heard this before, do you have a link? I'd like to read up on it. n/t

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #14)

Fri May 29, 2020, 12:18 PM

18. Well, I would say this: As long as they are living a totally traditional lifestyle, with no Western

components, then OK.

If they are driving up to the dens in SUVs, then getting out ATVs, snow mobiles, etc. and shooting with guns, then I call bullshit.

Not all "traditional" practices are acceptable behavior.

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Response to Coventina (Reply #18)

Fri May 29, 2020, 12:37 PM

19. You ever seen them whale hunt?

Lol. It’s not what you think, but whatever. It is part of their culture, there are plenty of bears, and if they eat it - why do I care?

We eat lamb, veal, and roasting chicken - all young animals. Steers and heifers too.

If you eat meat, something has to die. I’m not really into this fair chase nonsense. I am all about eating what you kill

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #19)

Fri May 29, 2020, 12:40 PM

20. I'm a vegetarian, FWIW. "Part of their culture" is not an acceptable excuse for cruelty.

FGM is "culture".

Should Scandinavian countries be allowed to rape and pillage during non-growing seasons because it's "part of their traditional culture"?

If they are eating Big Macs at their local McDonald's then, no, it's not "part of their culture."

It's just an excuse for cruelty.

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Response to Coventina (Reply #20)

Fri May 29, 2020, 12:43 PM

21. You just equated shooting a sleeping bear to raping a woman

This is why people mock vegetarians

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #21)

Fri May 29, 2020, 12:53 PM

22. No, I was saying cruelty is not OK, no matter the victim, or the "excuse" given for it. n/t

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #7)

Fri May 29, 2020, 11:26 AM

12. I'd like to see that too

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2020, 09:05 AM

8. I don't get it?? Oh wait...regulation written by the Obama Administration. That clears that up

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Response to Bengus81 (Reply #8)

Fri May 29, 2020, 01:35 PM

23. exactly, trump must sit in his office with a list

and he is one by one undoing everything and anything with Obama's name on it.

just for spite

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2020, 11:07 AM

11. support the right to arm bears....

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2020, 11:32 AM

13. I really, truly, hate this man

Killing off people, wildlife, the environment, rule of law. America. I really cannot understand such sociopathic motives, even if Putin is pulling the strings.

I'm rooting for the bears to maul them.


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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2020, 11:45 AM

15. How sporting.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2020, 11:54 AM

16. Sick fucks.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2020, 12:01 PM

17. "David Vela""more closely align hunting and trapping regulations with those established by the state

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2020, 01:46 PM

24. This is why I rejoice with every headline noting a hunter mauled to death.

Or shot to death by anti-poachers.

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Response to TheFourthMind (Reply #24)

Fri May 29, 2020, 01:54 PM

26. Do you feel that way about all hunters?

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Reply #26)

Fri May 29, 2020, 02:30 PM

28. You suggesting I shouldn't? n/t

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Response to TheFourthMind (Reply #28)

Fri May 29, 2020, 02:41 PM

29. Just seeking clarificatiion. I presume you feel the same, then, about these hunters:



?435

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Reply #29)

Fri May 29, 2020, 03:36 PM

30. Which one of these individuals has been mauled to death while hunting or poaching? n/t

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Response to TheFourthMind (Reply #30)

Fri May 29, 2020, 06:21 PM

31. You said you had these feelings about all hunters. These men are hunters.

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Reply #31)

Fri May 29, 2020, 06:39 PM

32. No, you need to believe that's what I said in order to make your point. Which you failed to do

because your reacting to words and presumptions that came from you, not me. So again, which one of the people you posted has been mauled or killed for poaching or hunting? Which has killed a wolf or bear and risked being mauled or killed? Are you suggesting one can be mauled by a duck? Or killed by anti-poachers for killing one?

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Response to TheFourthMind (Reply #32)

Fri May 29, 2020, 07:03 PM

33. You ought to edit then your original post to show you support ethical hunters

That your main issue is with hunters who use unethical means, violate the law or are trophy hunters.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #33)

Sat May 30, 2020, 03:41 PM

36. Rejection of A does not imply rejection of B

That's just some basic language comprehension and logic. Seems little more than bias on your part to seek an allowance neither offered not implied.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #36)

Mon Jun 1, 2020, 07:50 AM

37. His later comments seem to suggest he supports ethical hunters like Pres. Carter.

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Response to TheFourthMind (Reply #32)

Fri May 29, 2020, 08:46 PM

34. When I asked if you felt this way about *all* hunters, you asked if I was suggesting you shouldn't.

Quite obviously, none of the individuals I posted have been mauled or killed by animals. Again, to clarify: Do you only find joy in reports of the violent deaths of those who hunt wolves & bears (or are killed by anti-poachers), or do you also derive pleasure from accounts of duck and deer hunters dying in the field (as does occasionally happen)?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri May 29, 2020, 01:58 PM

27. "the Tanana Chiefs Conference,...supports the rollbacks."

"Victor Joseph, chair of the Tanana Chiefs Conference, said the group representing 42 tribes in the Interior supports the rollback. The 2015 rule was implemented without “adequate tribal consultation," he said in a statement sent by the park service.

“The previous limitations enacted in 2015 threatened our way of life and our centuries-long sustainable management practices," he said in the statement."

https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2020/05/21/trump-administration-moves-to-ease-rules-for-hunting-bears-and-wolves-on-federal-lands-in-alaska/

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2020, 03:35 PM

35. Another reason I have difficulty allowing respect to anyone who kills for entertainment.

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