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Thu May 21, 2020, 04:23 PM

Texas mayor says women can't lead prayer at council meetings

Source: Associated Press

Updated 2:58 pm CDT, Thursday, May 21, 2020

WYLIE, Texas (AP) — The mayor of a Dallas suburb told a fellow City Council member in an email that women shouldn’t be allowed to lead prayer at public meetings because he believes it goes against teachings in the Bible.

Wylie Mayor Eric Hogue quoted two New Testament scriptures in the email sent to City Council member Jeff Forrester in which he suggested that the council instead select young men to give the invocation at the next meeting on May 26.

“All I ask is that those leading the public prayer be young men,” Hogue, who is currently serving his last term as mayor after 12 years, wrote on May 17. “As a preacher for the Cottonwood Church of Christ, we take the two verses below literally.”

He then cites a passage in 1 Corinthians that, according to his email, says: “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”

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Reply Texas mayor says women can't lead prayer at council meetings (Original post)
Judi Lynn Thursday OP
Alacritous Crier Thursday #1
central scrutinizer Thursday #20
rickyhall Thursday #33
Duppers Friday #64
RobertDevereaux Thursday #2
MyOwnPeace Thursday #3
bronxiteforever Thursday #4
rickyhall Thursday #34
bronxiteforever Thursday #40
moreland01 Thursday #5
RVN VET71 Thursday #24
Withywindle Friday #63
RVN VET71 Saturday #73
ffr Thursday #6
exboyfil Thursday #7
Duppers Friday #66
jberryhill Thursday #8
LuvNewcastle Thursday #29
reACTIONary Friday #67
CaptYossarian Thursday #9
SoCalNative Thursday #10
Pacifist Patriot Thursday #14
Rizen Thursday #17
jeffreyi Thursday #19
Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #21
MarcA Thursday #42
Duppers Friday #65
paleotn Thursday #11
Pacifist Patriot Thursday #12
qazplm135 Thursday #13
WestLosAngelesGal Thursday #15
RVN VET71 Thursday #27
niyad Thursday #16
jberryhill Thursday #46
niyad Thursday #51
jberryhill Thursday #52
niyad Thursday #54
reACTIONary Friday #68
not_the_one Friday #71
keithbvadu2 Thursday #18
OriginalGeek Thursday #28
keithbvadu2 Thursday #35
3catwoman3 Thursday #47
OriginalGeek Friday #70
C Moon Thursday #22
sakabatou Thursday #23
StarryNite Thursday #43
Solly Mack Thursday #25
keithbvadu2 Thursday #59
Solly Mack Thursday #60
Coventina Thursday #26
left-of-center2012 Thursday #30
ProfessorGAC Thursday #58
Karadeniz Thursday #31
jberryhill Thursday #48
sarge43 Thursday #32
safeinOhio Thursday #37
sarge43 Thursday #50
SeattleVet Thursday #36
catbyte Thursday #38
MarcA Thursday #39
maxrandb Thursday #41
StarryNite Thursday #44
JustABozoOnThisBus Thursday #45
lastlib Thursday #49
Turbineguy Thursday #53
patphil Thursday #55
mwooldri Thursday #56
Collimator Thursday #57
Talitha Thursday #61
Gore1FL Friday #62
jberryhill Friday #69
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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:26 PM

1. This jackass needs to be introduced to the US Constitution...

What an embarrassment!

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Response to Alacritous Crier (Reply #1)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:52 PM

20. Introduced to the 20th century

I pity your family

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Response to central scrutinizer (Reply #20)

Thu May 21, 2020, 05:23 PM

33. Maybe even the 21st...

I'll be so glad when our country moves into the current century.

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Response to central scrutinizer (Reply #20)

Fri May 22, 2020, 06:51 AM

64. Whose family?

Alacritous Crier's?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:28 PM

2. Dear women of Wylie...

I wonder if you recall your mayor’s name.

If so, I wonder if you might recall him.

Blessed be!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:29 PM

3. He should consult with IQ45

to ask what his buddies, you know, the TWO CORINTHIANS, just what would THEY do?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:30 PM

4. Kick & recommend for visibility. Birthplace of Wylie Coyote?

“Thou shalt not slay the roadrunner”

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Response to bronxiteforever (Reply #4)

Thu May 21, 2020, 05:24 PM

34. I didn't know he was from Texas.

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Response to rickyhall (Reply #34)

Thu May 21, 2020, 05:51 PM

40. I was wrong. Looks like he came from Mark Twain

Wile E. Coyote. Jones based the Coyote on Mark Twain's book Roughing It, in which Twain described the coyote as "a long, slim, sick and sorry-looking skeleton" that is "a living, breathing allegory of Want. He is always hungry."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wile_E._Coyote_and_the_Road_Runner

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:30 PM

5. Pervert.

"All I ask is that those leading the public prayer be young men"

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Response to moreland01 (Reply #5)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:58 PM

24. I thought the same thing.

And, while I hate to judge people, he looks the type.

(I do not hate to judge people who judge other people, especially near morbidly obese people hankering for young men who belittle women, all women, judging them to be inferior in the eyes of his apparently bi-curious god.)

Also, part of me wanted to cry out to that last photo:"Those children are in imminent danger!" -- but there I go, judging a smug judge again.

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Response to RVN VET71 (Reply #24)

Fri May 22, 2020, 06:15 AM

63. The little girl in the picture is DEFINITELY in danger.

Maybe not of being molested, immediately.

But certainly in grave danger of being taught that her voice doesn't matter and shouldn't be heard, that her rightful role is to obey and serve, and that her own dreams and goals don't matter, so she shouldn't even bother daring to have them.

I'm sure it's already happening.

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Response to Withywindle (Reply #63)

Sat May 23, 2020, 08:35 AM

73. And when she strays and her husband beats her

she'll say a prayer of thanks to the god she's been told to worship, thanks that he gave her to such a righteous man. (Sigh!)

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:31 PM

6. I'll take "What would the Taliban do," for $500, Alex.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:33 PM

7. Those problems with trying to run a theocracy

Just wait until a Muslim or a Pastafarian or a Satanist wants to do the invocation.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #7)

Fri May 22, 2020, 06:56 AM

66. Zactly. 👍

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:33 PM

8. How about not having prayer at government meetings

 

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #8)

Thu May 21, 2020, 05:12 PM

29. That's the best solution.

Once you let one asshole bring his religion into public meetings, they start having holy wars with each other. Why does every meeting have to begin with a fucking prayer? Does God have opinions on zoning ordinances and trash pick-up? There's just no place for it.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #8)

Fri May 22, 2020, 07:22 AM

67. Whooow! What a concept! Genius ! nt

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:33 PM

9. He only wants "young men".

So did Ted Haggard.

"Harry Potter and the Closeted Caveman"?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:35 PM

10. Sorry, but there should never be any "prayer"

at ANY government meeting. Period. And yes, that goes for Congress as well.

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #10)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:38 PM

14. Completely agree.

They serve no civic purpose whatsoever.

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #10)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:42 PM

17. Exactly.

I'm an atheist and strongly believe in separation of church and state.

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #10)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:50 PM

19. Ummm, that's illegal, all,of it.

Pussgut jerk.

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #10)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:54 PM

21. Clearest, cleanest, easiest, most moral solution. . . . nt

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #10)

Thu May 21, 2020, 05:52 PM

42. +1,000 n/t

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #10)

Fri May 22, 2020, 06:55 AM

65. Church & State

The Constitution had something to say about that but good luck getting Congress to abide by the laws.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:36 PM

11. I'm sorry, but I despise these people

I truly do.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:37 PM

12. As a female minister, I have but two words.

Fuck him.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:37 PM

13. why is almost always

a fat white guy?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:41 PM

15. Why is there prayer at public council meetings?

This seems like a clear violation of the separation of church and state.

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Response to WestLosAngelesGal (Reply #15)

Thu May 21, 2020, 05:06 PM

27. And the good reverend fatty-fat-fat's "reasoning"

is goddam exactly why the constitution forbids that kind of prayer.

Yes, dammit, I'm fat shaming this pederastic-looking gynophobe. Because his corpulence, alone, proves his vanity and lack of the kind of discipline his so-called "faith" should (and probably does) require of its believers. So he's a gynophobe, a glutton, and a hypocrite. (I've referenced his obvious preference for "young men" elsewhere.)

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:41 PM

16. I wonder if his assistant is looking up the word "antediluvian" as I type this.i

Last edited Thu May 21, 2020, 06:43 PM - Edit history (1)

She did not seem to understand it.

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Response to niyad (Reply #16)

Thu May 21, 2020, 06:14 PM

46. antediluvian would be before the Flood

 


antidiluvian, I guess would be opposed to the Flood?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #46)

Thu May 21, 2020, 06:40 PM

51. Thank you. I hate this damned autocorrect, and I don't always catch its "corrections".

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Response to niyad (Reply #51)

Thu May 21, 2020, 06:44 PM

52. I dunno, I like new words

 


Antidiluvian is a good one.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #52)

Thu May 21, 2020, 07:25 PM

54. I will keep that in mind. I like new words as well. Just wish we did not need so many to describe

the current state of our world.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #46)

Fri May 22, 2020, 07:28 AM

68. Aprs-moi-diluvian. nt

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #46)

Fri May 22, 2020, 11:58 AM

71. WHICH flood?

Planet earth has had many floods, from many causes, over the eons.

This is just another twisted and spun, natural flood. The flood of the bible (which, obviously, took place within the last 6,000 years) is nonsensical.

Look at what is happening right now. The ice caps/glaciers are melting. Even when they have fully melted (hopefully that will never happen) there would not be near enough water to cover the entire planet's surface. Yet that is what the biblical flood implies. Sure, there are layers of silt in many places that says there was water a lot places, that isn't present now. But covering the entire planet?

I call horse hockey!!!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:43 PM

18. Do they take 'stoning to death' literally?

Do they take 'stoning to death' literally?

That's in the Bible.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #18)

Thu May 21, 2020, 05:11 PM

28. They would if the damn gubmint would let them.

I was shocked when I escaped my fundamentalist upbringing that not everyone thought women should be subservient to men.


Turns out those dumbfucks were wrong about a lot of things and they still are.

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Response to OriginalGeek (Reply #28)

Thu May 21, 2020, 05:29 PM

35. I don't see a punishment decreed for such a disobedience.

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Response to OriginalGeek (Reply #28)

Thu May 21, 2020, 06:15 PM

47. Congratulations on getting free.

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Response to 3catwoman3 (Reply #47)

Fri May 22, 2020, 11:01 AM

70. Thank you but It cost me a relationship with my mom

for most of my life from age 17 until my late 40s although in the few years before she died we had some reconciliation where she finally accepted me for what I am and not what her church thought I should be. She didn't like it but she accepted it.

My step-father can rot for all I care and thankfully I no longer have to involve him in any part of my life.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:55 PM

22. I hope he had no political aspirations outside of his county, because this one will haunt him.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:56 PM

23. One wonders if he eats pork

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Response to sakabatou (Reply #23)

Thu May 21, 2020, 06:01 PM

43. No, that would be like eating his own kind.

No offense to pigs.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 04:59 PM

25. Can't reason w/ them. It's illegal to smack them.

You don't want one living in the house with you. Even as a neighbor, they're still too close.

The neighborhood isn't big enough for one of them. Even the city is made less by them.

They spoil the county and a state gets a minus for each and every one of them.

The country suffers from their existence.

They demand that everyone around them bow down to their beliefs and to remain silent in the doing. Otherwise, they claim that by not getting their way - and their way always means trampling on the rights of others - (but unless they get their way) they are being discriminated against for being a persecuted and put-upon christain.

They are so incredibly tiresome.

No point, really.

Simply expressing my contempt for them.

If you're not foisting your religion on others in any way whatsoever, then you're not one of them.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #25)

Thu May 21, 2020, 10:42 PM

59. Freedom of religion - theirs, not yours

Freedom of religion - theirs, not yours

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #59)

Thu May 21, 2020, 10:49 PM

60. Yep

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 05:01 PM

26. Get your FUCKING CHURCH out of my government!!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 05:15 PM

30. My evangelical siblings would agree.

They say a woman needs to be silent in religious matters.

They also like Trump's "christian values",
saying :
"Christians aren't perfect - they're forgiven."

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #30)

Thu May 21, 2020, 09:31 PM

58. How Convenient!

It's OK to act like an ass, because I'm forgiven! Intellectually lazy nonsense.
Their belief of that is inherently evil.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 05:19 PM

31. Public prayer should be interfaith, not catering to one person's interpretation.

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Response to Karadeniz (Reply #31)

Thu May 21, 2020, 06:15 PM

48. Well, my faith objects to public prayer

 


So, how do I get included?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 05:21 PM

32. Jesus' views about praying in public. Matt 6:5&6

Quote this one, Mr Mayor

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, they have their reward.

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou last shut thy door, pray to the Father which is in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #32)

Thu May 21, 2020, 05:46 PM

37. They tend to quote Paul and never

those words in red. Blessed are the persecuted...
But then, they get to pick and choose.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #37)

Thu May 21, 2020, 06:25 PM

50. They use the Bible's Cliff Notes. n/t

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 05:34 PM

36. "Let your women keep silence in the churches"

It's a council meeting, not a church, you fucking moron.

Do whatever the fuck you want in your church.

Also, why does there have to be a prayer at a council meeting?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 05:46 PM

38. Um, somebody should tell that smarmy jackass about a little thing called the First Amendment.

WTF is a governmental body doing leading off with a prayer anyway? (I know, I know. It's Texas, but still...)

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 05:50 PM

39. Wylie is in Collin County. It's a lot of what Dallas was in the 50s and 60s.

His leering,arrogant looks and loud mouth tells it all. Just another authoritarian
who thinks he is a god.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 05:51 PM

41. Is that a sack of shit he's holding in his hand, or is he just an asshole?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 06:03 PM

44. "young men"

Sounds like a predator.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 06:12 PM

45. He's basing policy on the opinion of one Corinthian?

That's not statistically significant!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 06:18 PM

49. Weapons-grade stoopid.

Just. No. Words.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 06:54 PM

53. Young men.

Fundie churches have Chior Boys?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 07:30 PM

55. Huh! That's Saul of Tarsus' writings, not the words of Jesus.

Not to be confused with spiritual truth.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 07:34 PM

56. Heretic.

One cannot take lines of the New Testament letters and apply them literally. They were written aiming at a specific audience with a specific situation in mind. To twist and pick and choose lines from the text is a perversion of the Bible itself and in my mind it's heresy.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 09:08 PM

57. He's not incorrect about the Bible verses advising women not to teach and lead in church.

As a number of others have pointed out, council meetings are not church.

Still, I find it amusing considering the high regard that Trump's Major Cheerleader/Spiritual Advisor Paula White holds with the Bible crowd given that she--a woman-- is a very loud, obvious leader in her oh-so-Christian-church.

If you want to claim the authority of the divinity written about in the Bible, then you have to respect the authority of the words supposedly dictated by that divinity to the writers of the Bible. You can't have it one way in one situation, and another way in a different situation.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu May 21, 2020, 11:00 PM

61. Men wrote the Bible he quotes from - what a racket, eh?

And hotdamn he's creepy looking!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2020, 12:42 AM

62. He's mostly correct. No one should. nt

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #62)

Fri May 22, 2020, 07:36 AM

69. Yeah, I was thinking maybe it's just a starting point

 

Instead of criticizing him, just build on the concept of not allowing people to pray at government meetings.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2020, 12:08 PM

72. Once Biden is in office

WE need to, collectively, shove the ERA down THEIR collective throats.

Fuck their hermaphroditic god, and the dinosaur his so-called "son" rode in on.

(Man, as in humankind, is made in God's image, therefore God must have both male and female biology. Therefore s/he MUST be a hermaphrodite. The exhortations of this pastor, however, allows the male to take supremacy and the female must be subservient. Fucking convenient, isn't it?)

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