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Sat May 9, 2020, 10:32 PM

 

China reports 14 new coronavirus cases, high-risk area resurfaces

Source: Reuters

MAY 9, 2020 / 11:16 PM

BEIJING (Reuters) - China’s National Health Commission reported 14 new confirmed coronavirus cases on May 9, the highest number since April 28 and up from only one case a day earlier, according to data published on Sunday.

Of the new cases, two were imported infections. The remaining 12 confirmed cases were locally transmitted, including 11 cases in the northeastern province of Jilin.

Newly discovered asymptomatic cases were at 20, the highest since May 1 and up from 15 a day earlier, according to the health commission.

No new deaths were reported, it said.

The total number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the country reached 82,901 as of May 9, while the total death toll from the virus stood at 4,633, it said.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china/china-reports-14-new-coronavirus-cases-high-risk-area-resurfaces-idUSKBN22M00V?il=0



Well, that's the Rockin' Good News from China! To further lift our spirits, here's even more fun stuff, courtesy of The Atlantic:



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Harry Walpurgisnacht May 2020 OP
Lars39 May 2020 #1
peacebuzzard May 2020 #2
Post removed May 2020 #3
SunSeeker May 2020 #4
Worried2020 May 2020 #6
SunSeeker May 2020 #7
Steelrolled May 2020 #10
SunSeeker May 2020 #15
Bengus81 May 2020 #11
Igel May 2020 #9
Steelrolled May 2020 #12
SunSeeker May 2020 #14
SunSeeker May 2020 #13
soryang May 2020 #16
SunSeeker May 2020 #17
SunSeeker May 2020 #5
Polybius May 2020 #18
SunSeeker May 2020 #19
ansible May 2020 #20
SunSeeker May 2020 #21
bronxiteforever May 2020 #8


Response to Harry Walpurgisnacht (Original post)

Sat May 9, 2020, 10:48 PM

2. Thanks for posting this,

Jeez ......informative

Welcome to DU.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #3)

Sun May 10, 2020, 02:20 AM

4. The world knew by mid-January. Trump has no excuse. 80,000 dead Americans are on him.

Trump is the one who downplayed the virus for 2 months, ignoring US intelligence. He failed to invoke the DPA to mass produce tests, and he let Covid-19 spread to all 50 states. 

Some countries handled it much better.  South Korea got their first confirmed Covid-19 case on the same day as us, Jan. 20.  But their leader took it seriously even before then, and immediately started mass producing tests as soon as the WHO made the testing formula available to the world on Jan. 17. South Korea immediately did mass testing to find hotspots and do targeted quarantines and contact tracing.  Because of their mass testing program, they never had to shut down whole sectors of their economy, like restaurants or factories.   https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/26/821688981/how-south-korea-reigned-in-the-outbreak-without-shutting-everything-down Not only did their testing program save their economy, it saved lives. They've lost only 250 people,  we've lost 70,000, and we're still losing thousands every few days. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

Granted we have 6.5 times the population of South Korea, but if we had done what they did, we'd have lost only about 6.5×250 =1,625 people, and our economy would not be in tatters.  But the South Korean route is simply not available to us because we just don't have enough tests to do the mass testing needed for targeted quarantines and contact tracing.  Anyone who wants a test still can't get a test. 

Trumps failure to give us mass testing is what is causing mass death in our country. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-testing-specialrep-idUSKBN2153BW


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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #4)

Sun May 10, 2020, 04:45 AM

6. Trump is not the only leader who failed



to recognize the extreme danger of this virus. Mind you, the USA is worse off than most nations . . .

Many nations in the East responded quickly and effectively.

Us Westerners just plain fucked up, missed the boat, whatever, . . .

now trying to lay blame for our own incompetence elsewhere.

We have to own this,

and move on.

W

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Response to Worried2020 (Reply #6)

Sun May 10, 2020, 05:27 AM

7. WTF? We are the richest country on earth. Trump's failure was utterly inexcusable.

Fuck that. I am not "moving on." I will never forgive Trump, or anyone who enabled him, for the carnage he brought upon America, and the horrible example he set for the other countries who look to the US for guidance.





And you're wrong. Not all western countries failed. New Zealand, Germany and the Czech Republic (Czechia), for example, are doing much better than us. In fact, only 8 countries (out of 195 in the world) have worse death rates (deaths/1 Million population) than us. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

Where the fuck do you get your news??

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Response to Worried2020 (Reply #6)

Sun May 10, 2020, 11:59 AM

10. I think we have much to learn about this virus

and the widely varying impact on countries.

In per-capita deaths, the eight most affected countries are all in Western Europe. We would normally view those countries as having good governments. Beyond that, there is the US, Canada, and more of Western Europe, until we reach Ecuador and later Iran.

What a coincidence that all of the ineffective governments are in Western Europe and North America!

And within the US, the most affected states are in the East. Are these the most ineffective state governments? Or another great coincidence?

Just maybe it is something other than the effectiveness of the governments. Could it have something to do with demographics, culture, mobility, etc.? I trust we will find out eventually.

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Response to Steelrolled (Reply #10)

Sun May 10, 2020, 04:06 PM

15. Stop spouting Republican talking points.

States are not sovereign governments. Governors can't invoke the DPA. They are still at the mercy of Trump and suffer because of his continued failure to invoke the DPA to mass produce tests and PPE in the numbers our population needs, as well as his continued lying, and failure to follow science. Yes, population density makes outbreaks spread faster, but South Korea and Germany both have cities with high population density. What is clear is that governments who instituted mass testing and quarantines quickly upon their first confirmed case got their spread under control, like South Korea and Germany did.




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Response to Worried2020 (Reply #6)

Sun May 10, 2020, 12:01 PM

11. I live in the US, not other nations and this POS "President" did NOTHING for two months...

This FUCK was calling this not just a hoax but a Democrat HOAX on almost the last day of Feb. He'd had what....10-12 briefings by his own staff in those two months about CV and a possible pandemic which he chose to ignore.

Trump decided early on that Wall St,the economy and his election meant a hell of a lot more than facing facts staring him in the face which was suffering and DEATH. Move on?? My ass.................

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #4)

Sun May 10, 2020, 11:29 AM

9. Your squashing the timeline.

And reaching a false conclusion.

The WHO test was German, and was sketchy. But it was all they had.

This was mid-January.
In mid-January, our health authorities quickly conferred with the research institutions here [to develop a test],"


Notice the absence of WHO being mentioned. The WHO, however, didn't develop their own kit. They used a German one. Not one from the German government. But one that industry hobbled together. It also wasn't the best--it was largely recycled. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/02/coronavirus-testing-how-some-countries-germany-south-korea-got-ahead-of-the-rest

And S. Korea completely ignored the Chinese information. Human-to-human transmission was possible, we say they said. That's half the truth. The rest of the truth is that they also said it was rare and unlikely to be a problem. They revised that on 1/20 or 1/21. Taiwan and S. Korea assumed that this was a lie because the PRC lied before and they paid the price. Travel bans.

While the S. Koreans huddled on 1/17 on producing a test, it took them time to come up with one. It was in late January that S. Korea shared all the test information and asked for tests. January 27. In your scenario, by this time they're mass producing them. They didn't have a test yet.
A week after the Jan. 27 meeting, South Korea’s CDC approved one company’s diagnostic test.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-testing-specialrep/special-report-how-korea-trounced-u-s-in-race-to-test-people-for-coronavirus-idUSKBN2153BW

Their first test was approved the first week of February. About the same time the CDC had its test. *After that*--almost a month after you imply--they started testing. The second was approved a week or so later. And they were different: The reagents, equipment, were decided on by industry based on what they knew their customers had or could easily get. Not specialized equipment that the CDC required. They designed for industry roll out. (They actually did what Iceland and even Germany did. But that requires that people trust others in society. Distrust between industry and government, between different groups of citizens, kills. In the case of the US, probably 10s of thousands.)

S. Korea didn't do mass testing of the population. They tested the population that they thought needing tested. Those with symptoms, those who travelled (which was easy, since there's not a lot of tourism), those who had contact with people who were infected. That led them to Daegu, but also helped with others. "Mass" random testing wasn't a thing except in people's hindsight. Hindsight is clearly not always 20/20 even when the information is seen daily. (I mean, look at the scandal over the investigative reporting showing Florida only reports deaths of residents. Sadly, it's actually on the web page that everybody uses to see the updated death tally. In big print. But it took investigative reporters of a high caliber to actually read the heading of that particular column in seems.)

At this point we've tested more than twice the number of people per 1 M population that S. Korea has. It was true they'd tested many more individuals, but that was then, this is now. However there are so many cases that it'll be insufficient until the numbers come down.

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Response to Igel (Reply #9)

Sun May 10, 2020, 01:48 PM

12. Good analysis

This is of course a political website, but it is important to try to get to the facts.

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Response to Steelrolled (Reply #12)

Sun May 10, 2020, 03:48 PM

14. Bad analysis.

What facts did I get wrong? South Korea’s testing rate for coronavirus was more than six times that of the American rate in late March. https://khn.org/news/fact-check-trumps-boast-about-u-s-south-korea-coronavirus-testing-misses-the-mark/

Now South Korea has the virus under control, and only has to deal with surveillance testing to stamp out occasional hotspots. Their death rate remains a tiny fraction of ours. And they never had to shut down their economy.

So what facts did I get wrong? Do you really think Trump is doing a better job than South Korea?

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Response to Igel (Reply #9)

Sun May 10, 2020, 03:40 PM

13. What "false conclusion" are you talking about?

The South Koreans did do mass testing at the beginning of their outbreak, all the shit Trump.had promised but failed to do, like drive through testing. Everyone in South Korea that wants a test can get a test. We can't. In late March, while Covid-19 was raging here South Korea’s testing rate was more than six times that of the American rate. https://khn.org/news/fact-check-trumps-boast-about-u-s-south-korea-coronavirus-testing-misses-the-mark/

South Koreans administered many times more tests per 1 million population in the beginning, when it made a huge difference and got the outbreak under control in their country. They're not doing as much testing now because the outbreak is under control there and they just need to do surveillance testing and put out hotspots that may pop up. Plus their population uses apps that help spot any spread. Meanwhile, here in the US the outbreak is larger than ever.

So what false concussion are you claiming I'm making? What did I state that was incorrect? Do you really think Trump is doing a better job than South Korea?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #13)

Sun May 10, 2020, 08:04 PM

16. The US response was pathetic compared to the S.Korean response

By March 5, South Korea had tested 145,000 people—more than the U.S., the U.K., France, Italy, and Japan combined.

To spare hospitals from being overrun with patients, as they were in 2015, Korean officials opened 600 testing centers and pioneered the use of drive-through testing stations to reduce face-to-face contact indoors. Inspired by drive-through counters at fast-food restaurants, these pop-up centers offered patients 10-minute tests without forcing them to leave their cars.


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/whats-south-koreas-secret/611215/

It's seems like we're living in a backward undeveloped country.

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Response to soryang (Reply #16)

Sun May 10, 2020, 10:15 PM

17. Of course. I totally agree.

I don't know how anyone could argue otherwise.

And yet at least two posters on this thread appear to disagree, although they seem to have abandoned the thread.

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Response to Harry Walpurgisnacht (Original post)

Sun May 10, 2020, 02:34 AM

5. We WISH we had those numbers. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #5)

Sun May 10, 2020, 10:23 PM

18. As do they

n/t

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Response to Polybius (Reply #18)

Sun May 10, 2020, 11:40 PM

19. Their totals, like ours, are undoubtedly undercounts, but they're still much less than ours.

No one can credibly suggest China has more deaths or cases than the US.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #19)

Mon May 11, 2020, 01:58 AM

20. Are you honestly believing the official numbers of the Chinese Communist Party?

 

Seriously?

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Response to ansible (Reply #20)

Mon May 11, 2020, 02:10 AM

21. No, but the estimates based on YTD death data still indicate it is less than ours.

It looks like China's deaths could be as high as 26,000, based on urns made, less the normal amount of deaths for that period from prior years' data. https://www.newsweek.com/wuhan-covid-19-death-toll-may-tens-thousands-data-cremations-shipments-urns-suggest-1494914

You really think we only have 68,715 deaths? Really? Got a link for the data for your graphic?

Right now the US claims 80,787 deaths.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/ But our death total doesn't count folks who died at home, here in the land of the uninsured. And we are not testing asymptomatic people. Whereas the Chinese are. Hell, mild symptoms aren't enough for a test in the US. We'll only test you if you're very ill, or interact with the White House.

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Response to Harry Walpurgisnacht (Original post)

Sun May 10, 2020, 09:49 AM

8. Kick and recommend for visibility.

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