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Tue Apr 14, 2020, 07:31 PM

CDC, FEMA have created a plan to reopen America. Here's what it says.

Source: Washington Post

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A team of government officials ó led by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ó has created a public health strategy to combat the coronavirus and reopen parts of the country.

CDC and FEMA officials have worked on the public health response for at least the past week, and the resulting document by the two agencies has been discussed at the White House including by members of the coronavirus task force, according to two administration officials speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

President Trump wants a final detailed plan on reopening the country ready within days so he can issue suggestions for some states to reopen May 1, officials said.

Within the White House, one senior administration official said, Trump has been so insistent on the reopening that some officials worry only a narrow window exists to provide information to change the presidentís mind or to ensure that the effort to reopen does not significantly add to the countryís still rising number of infections and deaths. The president has not committed to following the guidelines delineated in the draft.

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Reply CDC, FEMA have created a plan to reopen America. Here's what it says. (Original post)
NoRoadUntravelled Apr 2020 OP
OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2020 #1
Ford_Prefect Apr 2020 #3
jimfields33 Apr 2020 #2
Initech Apr 2020 #4
47of74 Apr 2020 #9
a la izquierda Apr 2020 #21
Blasphemer Apr 2020 #17
Initech Apr 2020 #18
zipplewrath Apr 2020 #5
Initech Apr 2020 #11
Igel Apr 2020 #12
jimfields33 Apr 2020 #14
zipplewrath Apr 2020 #29
jimfields33 Apr 2020 #30
zipplewrath Apr 2020 #31
Polybius Apr 2020 #16
zipplewrath Apr 2020 #19
lark Apr 2020 #22
Steelrolled Apr 2020 #25
lark Apr 2020 #26
jimfields33 Apr 2020 #27
Duppers Apr 2020 #23
Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #6
bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #7
Haggis for Breakfast Apr 2020 #8
47of74 Apr 2020 #10
Igel Apr 2020 #13
Haggis for Breakfast Apr 2020 #33
Talitha Apr 2020 #15
Duppers Apr 2020 #24
DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #20
Bayard Apr 2020 #28
Steelrolled Apr 2020 #32

Response to NoRoadUntravelled (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2020, 07:40 PM

1. What's he have to lose?

Probably knows that when he finally loses control of the reins of power, he is fucked. Opening early will create even more devastating economic/health destruction. In the resulting chaos, he'll claim total control. I think that's the way he sees his endgame going....and Trump is in his corner to help him!

Will Senate Republicans go along with this? Stay tuned!

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 14, 2020, 07:55 PM

3. Senate Thuglicans will do whatever enables Trump along with Thug profits.

That's why they enabled everything else he's done. They do not think. They have been absorbed.

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Response to NoRoadUntravelled (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2020, 07:40 PM

2. Honestly June 1 would go along way in getting rid of the virus

I know we canít close forever but June 1st seems perfect.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 14, 2020, 08:06 PM

4. Yeah May 1st seems pretty unrealistic the way things are going.

June would be preferable, but my brother and his wife, both of whom are public health professionals, say that early July or even August is ideally when things should start opening. What happens in the next coming weeks is going to be really telling if we're going to have a second wave of this shit or not.

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Response to Initech (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 14, 2020, 09:30 PM

9. The lockdowns could continue to 2075

 

And people on our side would still be complaining that authorities are taking their boots off peoples necks too soon even long after the current coronavirus is a distant memory. I just feel sometimes that we could have the lock downs until my 100th birthday (which is where 2075 comes from and would probably thrill some control freaks on both sides of the political equation to no end) and when someone suggests looking at loosening up everything then they'd be right there to suggest that the goalposts be moved again.

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Response to 47of74 (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 05:21 AM

21. You read my mind, except I was born in '77.

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Response to Initech (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:42 PM

17. I am also connected to the public health community and yes, July/August is ideal

If there are attempts to open up before then, there is going to be wide variance in responses to the call to open up. Universities, for example, are likely to stay closed. I've heard that several universities are already making plans to stick with online classes through the Fall.

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Response to Blasphemer (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:50 PM

18. Well yeah look at what happened at Liberty University.

Not even 2 days after they reopened, they had students with the virus. And who knows where it spread. I don't think we're getting out of this without a vaccine.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 14, 2020, 08:16 PM

5. Not without a vacinne

Until we get penetration deep enough to create herd immunity, there's little way to open things up without serious consequences. Unless we get a vaccine, much of what we're currently doing will have to be sustained. Both of these solutions are going to need extensive testing, which we can't currently do.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 14, 2020, 09:32 PM

11. And the sad thing is most of these problems would go away if we had competent leadership.

But nope, we have Chump, who is almost literally trying to burn the place down with as much fire as possible.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 14, 2020, 10:09 PM

12. This wasn't intended to squash the virus.

It was intended to keep the number of severe cases from swamping hospitals. This saves lives in not having them die from lack of care but also because it keeps the infection rate, eventually, lower.

If the number of severe cases a hospital system can handle is 3000, having a steady influx of severe cases equal to the number of beds freed up accomplishes the purpose. Most proposals say to reduce the infection rate to nearly 0 and then identify and track every case, and in the event of an outbreak re-shut everything--but with the # of asymptomatic, infectious presymptomatic and false negatives being high or unknown, that strikes me as foolish. For extreme hot spots, dial back the "openness," but not if there's a low but manageable incidence.

For some cohorts the risk of death is down to 0.1 or 0.05%, which is flu levels. (No, it's not the flu, and that sentence didn't say it was. The overall death rate for the population is different from the risk for a cohort.) People have this terror of the virus. It's not a pretty thing, but when you get surveys saying 60% or more of people are convinced they would each die, there's a sea of misinformation to be confronted. Other cohorts are severely at risk, but even then the usual numbers are screwball--X% for 70-79 years old, for instance, is all well and good, but if they say "and almost all of them have comorbidities"--but what's the mortality rate for 70-79 *without* a comorbidity?

Careful with what "opened up" means. "No restrictions at all" is typically not what anybody means except those saying how no restrictions at all would be stupid so the person proposing "opened up", who we know to be stupid anyway, is stupid. Can't have a stupid person saying something non-stupid, in other words.

And every proposal that isn't reduced to a caricature says to take it slow, as a given geographic area permits, section of the economy by section with the most publicly social venues last. Meaning that bars and restaurants, gyms and sports, movies and performances are just plain toast without a lot of government help. In other words, they're dripping with contingencies, with "if" statements.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 14, 2020, 10:22 PM

14. I get it but no way are we closed down for 18 months

Totally unrealistic and impossible. I know everyone is thrilled to be getting the 1200 dollars but that will not carry most people 18 months.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:10 PM

29. Who is "we"

That will become the issue. Do sports get to return? Churches? Do we pack up the planes and open Disney back up? How about the water park? You can allow alot of people to open again and avoid those businesses that require alot of social interaction.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:13 PM

30. We as a collective

Some of the privileged wonít have to leave their home as the universe was good to them financially. Not everyone is in that scenario. Just the privilege few.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #30)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:20 PM

31. Expect them to pick and choose

I strongly suspect that they will slowly expand until they detect that they've gone a bit too far and then stop. That probably leaves the Disney workers screwed.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:03 PM

16. Yes but what if there's no vaccine until November?

It's gonna be extremely hard to keep a shelter in place until then.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 12:12 AM

19. Well if you are over 60

One can imagine that being in a hurry isn't a popular idea. I suspect theme parks and international travel may have to be restricted. But how many should die so that we can have professional sports? I suspect that once the curve is flattened, then barbers and nail salons can open with a lot of sanitizing. More retail can open. But, at the end of the day, anything that could result in large amounts of people is going to be forbidden many months.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 08:37 AM

22. They intend to make the vaccine very expensive and not require coverage.

It will be deemed "experimental" by the Aetnas, BCBS & Humanas of the world and will not be covered and the cost will be sky high because drumpf will not make them do otherwise. That is what drumpf has already signalled, that they will not keedp the cost down and he expects it to be very expensive (because he intends to personally profit from this),

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Response to lark (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 08:58 AM

25. I think the cost will be borne by the fed or state govenements.

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Response to Steelrolled (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 09:03 AM

26. I hope he won't get away with it and what you say is true.

However, he's already sent up a trial balloon when he was trying to personally buy the German co. closest to coming out with a vaccine. Mnuchin was asked about the government covering the cost of this and he said no the government wouldn't pay and yes he expected it to be very expensive because they were letting the market set the price and the co needed to recoup their investment. Now, that scheme blew up, but who knows which other companies drumpf is negotiating with and you know damn well the results will NOT be good for us.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 11:29 AM

27. Kinda hard to get herd immunity when we're sitting at home

Vaccine will be fall 2021 at earliest. You think everyone is going to sit home til then? I find the thought Baffling. How are people supposed to support themselves?

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 08:50 AM

23. This virus will not have gone away or

Even be close by Jun. 1. Unless you mean 6/1/21.

We need testing of most of the population and more importantly, a vaccine.

And, to my knowledge, that is not coming within the next couple of months.

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Response to NoRoadUntravelled (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2020, 08:17 PM

6. With dotard enablers heading fema and the cdc, I'll go with what the govs are saying

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Response to NoRoadUntravelled (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2020, 08:19 PM

7. Trump has one thought in mind: Election Day

The time lag for stimulus - 6 months. May 1 to Nov 1 - 6 months. THAT is why he's absolutely declaring himself King and will push hard on the May 1 deadline.

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Response to NoRoadUntravelled (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2020, 08:48 PM

8. Do we have to beat him over the head with the Washington Monument ?

He has NO AUTHORITY to open up shit.

He is NOT god. He just plays one everyday in the Brady Room.

His powers as president are not total, despite the projectile vomit that comes poring out of his mouth everyday. The Tenth Amendment of The Constitution leaves NO DOUBT AND NO AMBIGUITYwho controls the States.

Here in Washington State and on the West Coast, we have governors who are listening to EXPERTS. Rest assured -- They will make the right call at the right time.

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Response to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 14, 2020, 09:31 PM

10. No they won't

 

They have their way we'll be in lockdowns until my 100th birthday because they won't want to take the slightest risk whatsoever.

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Response to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 14, 2020, 10:12 PM

13. I've argued that from day 1.

When everybody else was saying that Trump should shut things down, how negligent and immoral, I figured he really had no authority to do this. When people demand that Trump follow the Constitution by ignoring the Constitution, I just typically walk away from the argument.

However, I could see how an argument could be made for forcing reopening by some creative interpretation of the commerce clause. (It's one of these things where I think it's been stretched out of shape, like a set of leggings stretched to cover the Statue of Liberty, but that doesn't mean it hasn't been stretched and somebody might not try to stretch it to include the Statue's base, as well.)

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Response to Igel (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 06:10 PM

33. I love your "leggings" analogy !!

Will Lady Liberty be asking "Do these leggings make make my butt look big ?"

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Response to NoRoadUntravelled (Original post)

Tue Apr 14, 2020, 10:41 PM

15. He wants to leave a big shit sandwich for Joe to deal with.

Cause he KNOWS he's on his way out.

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Response to Talitha (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 08:51 AM

24. And hopefully to trial and jail.

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Response to NoRoadUntravelled (Original post)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 05:17 AM

20. If you read the planning detailed in the WP article,

it's nearly identical to what Newsome and Cuomo laid out. Whether or not Trump takes those sensible recommendations, who knows?

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Response to NoRoadUntravelled (Original post)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 12:12 PM

28. Full steam ahead, and damn the torpedoes!

"Let's put America back to work!"

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Response to NoRoadUntravelled (Original post)

Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:44 PM

32. Sweden might be the model

If we can get our testing ramped up as claimed, including antibody testing...

- Open things up a little, but still prohibit large gatherings
- Respond to flair-ups with extensive local testing, tracing, and isolation to try to tamp it down.
- Encourage people to still practice social distancing, etc.
- Encourage use of masks

Many people like me will still likely practice full lock-down, but there are many things that can be done with a reasonable degree of safety.

I would be happy to install a tracking app on my phone to aid in dealing with local flair-ups.

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