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Galraedia

(5,015 posts)
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:21 PM Apr 2020

White House rejects bailout for U.S. Postal Service battered by coronavirus

Source: Washington Post

Through rain, sleet, hail, and even a pandemic, mail carriers serve every address in the United States, but the coronavirus crisis is shaking the foundation of the U.S. Postal Service in new and dire ways.

The Postal Service’s decades-long financial troubles have worsened dramatically as the volume of the kind of mail that pays the agency’s bills ― first-class and marketing mail ― withers during the pandemic. The USPS needs an infusion of money, and President Trump has blocked potential emergency funding for the agency that employs around 600,000 workers, repeating instead the false claim that higher rates for Internet shipping companies Amazon, FedEx and UPS would right the service’s budget.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/11/post-office-bailout-trump/

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White House rejects bailout for U.S. Postal Service battered by coronavirus (Original Post) Galraedia Apr 2020 OP
Every day I think I can not hate him and his ilk more... hlthe2b Apr 2020 #1
Ditto. nt iluvtennis Apr 2020 #95
Frightening, isn't it? I've never really HATED anyone until this Cretin. Guilded Lilly Apr 2020 #103
Will no one rid us of this turbulent president? Walleye Apr 2020 #2
Yeah, where are three swordsmen when we need them................ machoneman Apr 2020 #6
Biden's all in. Bernie's assessing the subject. tirebiter Apr 2020 #72
If he lets the Post Office go he loses the election kairos12 Apr 2020 #3
tRump-Republicons are scared shitless about vote-by-mail. This sabotage is part of their strategy.nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #16
Yeah, mail, voting...all gone... Eliot Rosewater Apr 2020 #33
No Stimulus Checks or Vote by mail DownriverDem Apr 2020 #45
Trump is counting on winning Kaiserguy Apr 2020 #76
How can he lose the election if he can prevent one from even happening olddad65 Apr 2020 #78
Because he doesn't have the power to do that? John Fante Apr 2020 #87
That Dios Mio Apr 2020 #86
"pension account debt" Newest Reality Apr 2020 #4
Another idiot move. If even 1/2 of that 600k force voted for him, he just lost them. machoneman Apr 2020 #5
My wife works for the USPS. No way half of them went for Trump in 2016. Progressive Jones Apr 2020 #92
They want to privatize it and steal the pension fund. CrispyQ Apr 2020 #7
Don't forget another DENVERPOPS Apr 2020 #11
Yes indeed. mzmolly Apr 2020 #47
Also steal the land that all those small town post offices sit on (NT) HuskyOffset Apr 2020 #18
winner The Wizard Apr 2020 #55
Yup. And congress has had a hand in it for years mitch96 Apr 2020 #56
I looked but could not find how the vote went by Party. dugog55 Apr 2020 #61
He is destroying America and loving it. To All his enablers: Hope you burn. Evolve Dammit Apr 2020 #8
Amen: hope all his enablers and MAGAts burn, here on the earth and in hell, too. Nay Apr 2020 #80
Please Bloomberg. Make this into bill boards. LakeArenal Apr 2020 #9
No end to this fuckers destruction bluestarone Apr 2020 #10
Will voting by mail means snail mail? This should help it question everything Apr 2020 #12
Another reason they oppose absentee ballots for all dragonlady Apr 2020 #70
"Donald Trump Wants To Take Away Your Mail Service" in the deep campaign commercial brewens Apr 2020 #13
But they'll backstop junk bonds. Squinch Apr 2020 #14
Which would you rather have, a postal service or a cruise? Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #15
Honestly a cruise jimfields33 Apr 2020 #36
Which would you rather have, Vote by Mail or a cruise? Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #38
I never vote by mail and never will jimfields33 Apr 2020 #41
Even in the time of Covid-19? You would prefer to vote with the crowds? And it is not just about you Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #48
It is about me. You asked my preference. I gave it. jimfields33 Apr 2020 #81
I guarantee you, you would feel the lost of the USPS Skittles Apr 2020 #84
Probably so. But I'd miss the cruise line as well. jimfields33 Apr 2020 #85
A disturbing trend among Democrats hangaleft Apr 2020 #91
That is exactly True Blue American Apr 2020 #99
Told ya! True Blue American Apr 2020 #100
So, you call me "very lazy and dishonest"? Actually, ... I didn't ask you specifically. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #96
Arizona has specific drop boxes you can drive by and drop in your ballot yellowdogintexas Apr 2020 #107
Yeah, but this whole thing is about busting the union. Consider the PatrickforO Apr 2020 #59
You pick up your mail True Blue American Apr 2020 #102
I want my DC Postal building back then ...................that this fucker is renting.............. turbinetree Apr 2020 #17
He's trying to sell the lease IronLionZion Apr 2020 #21
And he has also this done to them and people have put holograms on the face............ turbinetree Apr 2020 #26
AHA, The Old Post Office Pavilion! elleng Apr 2020 #30
But her emails! IronLionZion Apr 2020 #19
Yet his hotels qualify for stimulus bailout? keithbvadu2 Apr 2020 #20
Many Rebl2 Apr 2020 #22
FedX and UPS only safeinOhio Apr 2020 #75
Well, of course Despot Don does rocktivity Apr 2020 #23
A vital service so of course they aim to kill it. 2naSalit Apr 2020 #24
He is methodically destroying our infrastructure.... ashredux Apr 2020 #25
In my opinion, yes. Yes, he is. nt badseedboy Apr 2020 #28
The evidence is pretty consistent with the conclusion that Trump is indeed a Russian agent. summer_in_TX Apr 2020 #94
I read Lincoln'sBible on Twitter, badseedboy Apr 2020 #97
Raise the price of sending junk mail customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #27
Privatize and hand a plum to one of his cronies. jalan48 Apr 2020 #29
Then NO FUCKING BILL. onecaliberal Apr 2020 #31
The bills are done for now jimfields33 Apr 2020 #39
The key step in wrecking the November election. Governors can pay the USPS for delivery and get ancianita Apr 2020 #32
It's as if he lies awake at night thinking about what institution he can destroy next. n/t femmedem Apr 2020 #34
It is the U.S. Postal Service. Where's the MAGA love ffr Apr 2020 #35
K&R.Created by Ben Franklin. Killed by the GOP. bronxiteforever Apr 2020 #37
Mothball the USPS for one month. Do not sell off anything. Freethinker65 Apr 2020 #40
That's so crazy... dixiechiken1 Apr 2020 #64
I have been fighting for the Postal Service True Blue American Apr 2020 #101
Just when you think this president cannot be dumber Tweedy Apr 2020 #42
It's about busting the union. Period. PatrickforO Apr 2020 #43
What a fuckhead Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2020 #44
No more bailout money, no more budgets until this is passed Fiendish Thingy Apr 2020 #46
His poll numbers among cons must really be dropping... Starfury Apr 2020 #49
He will probably bail out the cruise industry instead. Oppaloopa Apr 2020 #50
This is not being appreciated out there in the world Lulu KC Apr 2020 #51
Will The Corporations And Businesses Let Trump & The Repugs Sink The U.S. Postal Service?...... global1 Apr 2020 #52
I think You are right! Yes, they've talked about killing the USPS for years. Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #67
Jesus, just when you think he has hit bottom. LaurenOlimina Apr 2020 #53
Hasn't the USPS proven that they are an essential service? WVreaper Apr 2020 #54
Evidently the fuckwad doesn't consider it an essential service dalton99a Apr 2020 #57
Trump can kiss the rural red state vote good-bye. . . DinahMoeHum Apr 2020 #58
Not only that, murielm99 Apr 2020 #88
The GOP has been working relentless to destroy USPS RVN VET71 Apr 2020 #60
The blue wave is growing to tsunami . pwb Apr 2020 #63
And that is why we have to take back the Senate, keep the House RVN VET71 Apr 2020 #65
Even during last the goverment shutdown Mendocino Apr 2020 #62
+1000 Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #68
I am convinced that the Republicans in the Senate and House as well as Trump all deserve an award. cstanleytech Apr 2020 #66
They'll get the funding. Here's a more positive take. trump will drag it out, though. Hoyt Apr 2020 #69
Republicans have been trying to destroy the US Post Office for years. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #71
I hope Mr. Franklin haunts their dreams. rickyhall Apr 2020 #73
If they try to use this crisis to kill teh USPS BadGimp Apr 2020 #74
mail in ballots will be taken to drop off sites with long lines AGAIN! samnsara Apr 2020 #77
I wish republicans and I_UndergroundPanther Apr 2020 #79
So much for vote by mail. alfredo Apr 2020 #82
The USPS is enshrined in the Constitution. I is a great equalizer in this country. To he c-rational Apr 2020 #83
So, Donnie Dorko's gonna piss off hundreds of thousands of Postal Workers Nacht Owl Apr 2020 #89
If he Rebl2 Apr 2020 #90
has been and is a damned shame Marthe48 Apr 2020 #93
fucking REALTY moron. billionaire my ass. pansypoo53219 Apr 2020 #98
When TArump talked about... Newest Reality Apr 2020 #104
If ever there was.....nevermind. stillcool Apr 2020 #105
Nose, bite. Face, spite. A$$ MF45 shows. I can almost hear ... MFGsunny Apr 2020 #106

hlthe2b

(101,699 posts)
1. Every day I think I can not hate him and his ilk more...
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:24 PM
Apr 2020

and every day I am (unpleasantly) surprised.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
33. Yeah, mail, voting...all gone...
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:54 PM
Apr 2020

We dont play hard ball enough, not one person in this country should be anything but beside themselves furious at the GOP for all of what is happening...

But only half of us are and that half cant figure out how to play REAL hardball, make them AFRAID to steal more elections.

How is above my pay grade but our LIVES are on the line...

Kaiserguy

(740 posts)
76. Trump is counting on winning
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 05:08 PM
Apr 2020

if he lets the Post Office die. Voting by mail will be difficult . Both Trump and the GOP don't want vote by mail. They will of course offer a private company a contract to deliver the mail and it will be a Republican run company and you can bet that when it comes to vote by mail a lot of our votes will get lost.

olddad65

(599 posts)
78. How can he lose the election if he can prevent one from even happening
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 05:12 PM
Apr 2020

Trumputin is a cheap imitation of Hitler.

machoneman

(3,951 posts)
5. Another idiot move. If even 1/2 of that 600k force voted for him, he just lost them.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:25 PM
Apr 2020

Go President Biden!

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
92. My wife works for the USPS. No way half of them went for Trump in 2016.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 06:39 PM
Apr 2020

The GOP has been going after the USPS for decades.

The real big hit was the pension legislation in 2006.
The USPS is forced to fund their pension fund for 75 years out.

They are forced to fund the pensions of future employees who aren't even born yet.
This is what eats up a lot of revenue. Mail is now slower due the COVID-19 pandemic, so there is even less revenue to work with.
The USPS doesn't operate on tax dollars, as some believe.


The House recently passed legislation to end this practice, but that won't go anywhere in the Senate at this time.

Trump/GOP is about to piss off 600,000 more Americans by fucking with their income.

CrispyQ

(36,221 posts)
7. They want to privatize it and steal the pension fund.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:27 PM
Apr 2020

That's the plan. The cost of mailing letters and packages will go up and service will go down and rural America will be hurt the worst and they will still vote for Trump because hate radio tells them to.

mitch96

(13,816 posts)
56. Yup. And congress has had a hand in it for years
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:32 PM
Apr 2020

The post office is getting screwed by a law that congress passed and THATS why they are in trouble..

the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006 (PAEA), which some have taken to calling "the most insane law" ever passed by Congress. The law requires the Postal Service, which receives no taxpayer subsidies, to prefund its retirees' health benefits up to the year 2056. This is a $5 billion per year cost;

Fed Ex and UPS don't have to do this so the P.O. is starting out behind the 8 ball... Screwed from the get go..
m

dugog55

(296 posts)
61. I looked but could not find how the vote went by Party.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:48 PM
Apr 2020

Both houses of Congress were controlled by Republicans, and I read that the poison pill part you mentioned was passed in a lame duck session at the end of the year by voice vote. So apparently there are no records of voting. But the Republicans have been pushing to eliminate the Post Office for years so their wealthy pals can cash in on that business.

LakeArenal

(28,713 posts)
9. Please Bloomberg. Make this into bill boards.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:27 PM
Apr 2020

If that doesn’t affect trumpsters they will never see their best interests.

question everything

(47,263 posts)
12. Will voting by mail means snail mail? This should help it
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:32 PM
Apr 2020

Ten years ago, we has to mail our census responses, now it is online..

brewens

(13,392 posts)
13. "Donald Trump Wants To Take Away Your Mail Service" in the deep campaign commercial
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:34 PM
Apr 2020

voice. Show the worlds friendliest, most cheerful mail carriers, talking to old ladies, giving dogs treats, bringing packages in the snow wearing Santa hats. I think it could blow up on him. Look for them to back down and approve funding.

jimfields33

(15,450 posts)
36. Honestly a cruise
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:58 PM
Apr 2020

I think they are a very affordable vacation for a family of 4. Mail we get once a week. We have to go pick it up a mile away. At the very least Saturday delivery could be stopped. Even democratic supports have mentioned that.

jimfields33

(15,450 posts)
41. I never vote by mail and never will
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:03 PM
Apr 2020

I alway vote in person. I feel like I really voted and I can make sure the vote is done. I don’t want my ballot stick in some post office some where like in Wisconsin and Miami Florida. Just two times we know of.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,773 posts)
48. Even in the time of Covid-19? You would prefer to vote with the crowds? And it is not just about you
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:16 PM
Apr 2020

When I ask about a Postal Service it is a service that serves the nation. I think the nation benefits from a Postal Service.

A destroyed Postal Service is much harder to resurrect than a collapsed cruise industry.

jimfields33

(15,450 posts)
81. It is about me. You asked my preference. I gave it.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 05:15 PM
Apr 2020

Don’t start adding caveats that you thought of after asking your question to me. Makes it seem very lazy and dishonest.

 

hangaleft

(649 posts)
91. A disturbing trend among Democrats
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 06:37 PM
Apr 2020

Republican “I got mine”-ism.

First it was unions and their health care plans. Now this.

No further comment.

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
99. That is exactly
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 03:57 PM
Apr 2020

What I was thinking. Millions of people depend on the Postal Service every day. To pay bills,get checks. Many do not have computer service in rural areas.

I heard that Mnuchin told them if they got a bailout it would earn loan.
Daryl Issa is the lousy jerk that slipped the year prepayment pension in.

. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-04-04/congress-not-amazon-messed-up-the-u-s-postal-service

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,773 posts)
96. So, you call me "very lazy and dishonest"? Actually, ... I didn't ask you specifically.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 07:56 PM
Apr 2020

I replied to the Original Poster with what most people would consider a general question directed broadly.

If it was specific to anyone, the only interpretation would be specific to the OP.

It's fine you answered. I redirected it back to the broader consideration implicit in my post. But, ... you want to make it all about you.

And then you get huffy and respond with ad hominem attacks.

yellowdogintexas

(22,114 posts)
107. Arizona has specific drop boxes you can drive by and drop in your ballot
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 06:38 PM
Apr 2020

I believe these are serviced only by election employees. I think Oregon also has them
I can look on the VAN and see who in my precinct has returned their ballot.

PatrickforO

(14,514 posts)
59. Yeah, but this whole thing is about busting the union. Consider the
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:40 PM
Apr 2020

Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006.

It was a Republican attempt to put the postal union out of business by starving the post office of revenue. Basically what it did is force the USPS to make a $5.5 billion payment EACH YEAR for 20 years to its retiree health care fund.

US Postal Service workers have a retiree health care benefit in addition to their pension. Before Congress passed the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006, the USPS, like EVERY SINGLE PRIVATE SECTOR COMPANY THAT STILL EVEN HAS PENSIONS, operated under a pay-as-you-go model for retiree health care funding.

The PAEA law holds them to a higher standard THAN PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD. While the mealy-mouthed thieving Republicans solemnly intone that this is good because enough money is saved over the course of a career that the benefit is fully paid for by the time the worker retires, But let's look at what that really does.

Congressional Republicans want to privatize everything possible, and this includes the USPS. First of all, they don't like the union. It irks the Republicans that the public employee unions are sort of the 'last man standing' after decades-long efforts to bust unions beginning with the passage of the Taft-Hartley Act in the late 1940s, and accelerating with the snake Reagan.

So they got this great idea: Hey, lets FORCE the USPS to pay $5.5 BILLION a year into a health-care pension fund. That will STARVE them for revenue and force them to go insolvent. We can then privatize the USPS so it is 'competitive' along with the other big delivery services.

Problem is the USPS is CHEAP. Much, much cheaper than UPS or FEDEX. So Republicans in Congress are starving the USPS of revenue so that they can publicly lie about how the USPS can't manage its business and is losing money, so gotta privatize! Because, hey, the private sector can ALWAYS do it better, faster and cheaper, right?

So, you may have some personal preferences around taking a cruise and voting in person. Fine.

But these workers are getting screwed by Republicans and their corporate owners just like American workers have been since the bloody labor wars in the late 19th century. The real death knell for unions, to my mind, was the Sedition Act passed in 1918 at the behest of Wall Street greed lizards for the purpose of defeating the unions, which were winning. That's why they threw Eugene Debs in prison. To break the union so greed-heads could make more profits at the expense of workers.

IronLionZion

(45,250 posts)
21. He's trying to sell the lease
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:39 PM
Apr 2020

because no one wants to pay the exorbitant prices for his trashy hotels even before COVID. $9 for a Bud Light.

turbinetree

(24,631 posts)
26. And he has also this done to them and people have put holograms on the face............
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:45 PM
Apr 2020

maybe that's the reason why he can't break the lease.................


Rebl2

(13,301 posts)
22. Many
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:40 PM
Apr 2020

in rural areas love the post office-kind of a gathering place except not right now.
The only reason they have money problems is the ridiculous amount of money Congress makes them pay up front for retirees far, far into the future. No private company does this. Also there is no way FedEx or UPS are going to deliver your mail.

rocktivity

(44,555 posts)
23. Well, of course Despot Don does
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:43 PM
Apr 2020

and for the same reason why he's against mail-in voting in November.


rocktivity

summer_in_TX

(2,680 posts)
94. The evidence is pretty consistent with the conclusion that Trump is indeed a Russian agent.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 07:29 PM
Apr 2020

Circumstantial, of course.

The slow and botched response to COVID, plus simultaneously running up the price of PPE and ventilators by a price war with state governments and then refusing to use the federal government's leadership and buying power to rush the necessary amounts of equipment to the places most in need is egregious. There's also the sending our national stockpile reserves of ventilators and supplies to China and other countries this past winter.

Trump and his family are corrupt and serve their own self interests. But it seems to me that their self interest aligns with Putin's, and maybe the most reactionary of the super wealthy Americans too.

Rep. Katie Porter says she's got the receipts and that ventilators that have been ordered won't arrive until September.

The delays gave time for the corrupt profiteers to organize.


badseedboy

(174 posts)
97. I read Lincoln'sBible on Twitter,
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 09:11 PM
Apr 2020

and she has made a compelling, sourced, logical argument that he was planted here to, well, bluntly, destroy our nation from within. I wonder what the past generations would say. I wonder what our progeny will say.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
27. Raise the price of sending junk mail
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:48 PM
Apr 2020

enough to make this crisis go away. Some 75% of what the USPS does is to truck garbage across America.

jimfields33

(15,450 posts)
39. The bills are done for now
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:00 PM
Apr 2020

3 bills at 6 trillion is it probably till fall. Let’s spend that money first. Heck bill number 3 is just starting to be implemented.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
32. The key step in wrecking the November election. Governors can pay the USPS for delivery and get
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:54 PM
Apr 2020

their states' numbers up.

BD's plan for USPS:

1. Defund
2. Deform (aka Reform, with "higher rates&quot
3. Stigmatize (gaslight)
4. Privatize (create 'market' for Amazon, FedEx and UPS)

ffr

(22,644 posts)
35. It is the U.S. Postal Service. Where's the MAGA love
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:56 PM
Apr 2020

unless it was never there in the first place.

Fuckers!

Freethinker65

(9,928 posts)
40. Mothball the USPS for one month. Do not sell off anything.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:02 PM
Apr 2020

Offer pandemic pay or extended loss of work benefits to US Postal workers during the period.
No sell offs, no robbing the pension fund, just no damn service to anyone. No political bullshit mailers, no catalogues, no bill paying, etc.

Just wait for the public comments to roll in. Americans will demand to get the USPS up and running again.

dixiechiken1

(2,113 posts)
64. That's so crazy...
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 04:03 PM
Apr 2020

It just might work. I love it! Make people realize what they've taken for granted & risk losing.

Tweedy

(628 posts)
42. Just when you think this president cannot be dumber
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:08 PM
Apr 2020

He finds a way.

Bless our postal service! And may the democrats find a way to save this essential workforce!!

PatrickforO

(14,514 posts)
43. It's about busting the union. Period.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:09 PM
Apr 2020

And that Trump is basically a criminal, dirt-bag piece of crap that you wouldn't even want to have on your block let alone in your house.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,361 posts)
46. No more bailout money, no more budgets until this is passed
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:14 PM
Apr 2020

This is all about suppressing votes in the election, and must not stand.

Starfury

(812 posts)
49. His poll numbers among cons must really be dropping...
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:20 PM
Apr 2020

This is conservative red meat to prop them back up, like the stupid wall.

Lulu KC

(2,547 posts)
51. This is not being appreciated out there in the world
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:23 PM
Apr 2020

It is enormous.
If for no other reason than the vote--but for so many others.

global1

(25,166 posts)
52. Will The Corporations And Businesses Let Trump & The Repugs Sink The U.S. Postal Service?......
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:24 PM
Apr 2020

How will the credit card companies, utilities, mail order companies, etc be able to do business. You won't be getting bills and people will not be able to pay by mail. Not all Americans are capable of doing
on-line banking. Not everybody has a computer.

I don't think these business will stand for Trump and the Repugs to kill the Postal Service.

Am I missing something here?

Thekaspervote

(32,605 posts)
67. I think You are right! Yes, they've talked about killing the USPS for years.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 04:33 PM
Apr 2020

The gop will have to fold on this one. Dotard is just bluster and in reality the rest of the gop get that this is election year...it would not end well for them

WVreaper

(618 posts)
54. Hasn't the USPS proven that they are an essential service?
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:29 PM
Apr 2020

We can bail out the poorly managed airlines and foreign registered cruise lines but not the USPS, as always with this administration, its all about the money. There is no USPS stock to buy or sell.

DinahMoeHum

(21,737 posts)
58. Trump can kiss the rural red state vote good-bye. . .
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:36 PM
Apr 2020

. . .if he tries to pull this shit.

Rural areas look at post offices as absolutely essential for their survival as communities.

Oh, one other thing: the GOoPers in Congress would be in violation of the Constitution (Article I, Section 8, Clause 7) if they go along with it.

Just sayin'






#newrostrong

murielm99

(30,655 posts)
88. Not only that,
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 06:03 PM
Apr 2020

post offices are employers in rural communities. Often, there is little other opportunity for good paying jobs.

RVN VET71

(2,686 posts)
60. The GOP has been working relentless to destroy USPS
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:44 PM
Apr 2020

They've been creating havoc, deliberately, cutting the agency off at every opportunity at least since the GW Bush administration and the attacks continued, non-stop, through the Obama administration -- no, not from the Obama White House, from the GOP senate and congress. There's millions to be made by eliminating the USPS is why. Millions from FedEx, from UPS, from companies not yet created by greedy "entrepreneurs" with GOP congress critters in their back pockets.

Good luck to the Red State rural folks who voted for Bush and for Trump and for a host of GOP senators and congressman -- their mailing costs are about to shoot out of sight and it serves each of them goddam right. But what of the 600,000 employees? Say the GOP: screw 'em, screw their families, screw their partaking of what an American Dream that used to be available to everyone.

Trump is a greed head, worse than most -- maybe worst in the world -- so it makes sense that he'd do this, just as it makes sense that little Scalia would claim the authority to attack the unemployed b because, you know, millions for defense-contractors but not one penny for American citizens trying desperately to navigate the rough waters of a pandemic.

As an atheist, I cannot pray for a blight of leprosy on all of them, the entire GOP family of whores and sociopaths, and to their children unto the 7th generation. But sometimes I become outraged enough to entertain an effort to believe in a wrathful god who would answer such a prayer.

pwb

(11,204 posts)
63. The blue wave is growing to tsunami .
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 04:00 PM
Apr 2020

They almost got away with it. Our Postal Service will last until November when trump is shamed in total defeat. He is caught at everything and his time is running out.

RVN VET71

(2,686 posts)
65. And that is why we have to take back the Senate, keep the House
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 04:06 PM
Apr 2020

kick Orange Bonespur the hell out of town, and pack the Supreme Court to 11 members.

Then we can have a national "thank you" celebration to RBG when she is finally able to retire -- and write her books!

A dream. I hope not an idle one.

Mendocino

(7,430 posts)
62. Even during last the goverment shutdown
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:57 PM
Apr 2020

the USPS was considered an essential service. Business can't operate without the PO.

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
66. I am convinced that the Republicans in the Senate and House as well as Trump all deserve an award.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 04:17 PM
Apr 2020

A huge Razzie award for the worst portrayal of semi decent people by complete pieces of shit.

BadGimp

(4,009 posts)
74. If they try to use this crisis to kill teh USPS
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 04:59 PM
Apr 2020

I'm convinced the blowback will be overwhelming and devastating the Trump and the GOP.

It will so clear to everyone just what they are trying to do and where their evil little hearts lie.

alfredo

(60,065 posts)
82. So much for vote by mail.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 05:26 PM
Apr 2020

That is his plan from the start. Also driving it until it has to liquidate, so they have to sell Off their assets for pennies on the dollar. Several companies will get into the mail business, but with starvation wages, no union, no benefits.

They will not have the burden of universal delivery. Rural and poorer neighborhoods would be redlined due to low volume. I had 600 on my route, most were dirt poor. Small businesses would not be able to use the cheapest form of advertising, bulk business mail, AKA junk mail.

Postal workers helped maintain the middle class, and are one of the largest employer of veterans. Postal workers can afford to buy homes, send their kids to college, and Have political power.

c-rational

(2,581 posts)
83. The USPS is enshrined in the Constitution. I is a great equalizer in this country. To he
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 05:30 PM
Apr 2020

rethuglicans who suggest it should operate more like a business indicates they to have drunk the kool aid. Fair and far minded people would allow the Post Office to make small loans like it used to. Enough with the neoliberalism bullshit and Milton Friedman economics. This is about living in a just and fair society, which is exactly why the dumpster not only will not help but actively tries to destroy this institution.

 

Nacht Owl

(66 posts)
89. So, Donnie Dorko's gonna piss off hundreds of thousands of Postal Workers
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 06:28 PM
Apr 2020

Yeah, sure, go right ahead, Mr. Stable Genius, go right ahead! I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

Rebl2

(13,301 posts)
90. If he
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 06:29 PM
Apr 2020

doesn’t help USPS that’s 600,000 plus added to the millions of jobs already lost. He’s an idiot.

Marthe48

(16,688 posts)
93. has been and is a damned shame
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 07:15 PM
Apr 2020

That this most important of all services is being strangled by repukes who can't wait to kill another union

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
104. When TArump talked about...
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 04:14 PM
Apr 2020

Whe TArump talked about those "shithole countries" he didn't reveal that he and the GOP were working hard to make America one, because, well, it's easier to dishevel and overtake a country on its knees.

You want what? Mail? Go get yourself!!!! Pull yourself up by your mail bags and do a pony express, like when America was great!

MFGsunny

(2,356 posts)
106. Nose, bite. Face, spite. A$$ MF45 shows. I can almost hear ...
Sun Apr 12, 2020, 05:19 PM
Apr 2020

I can almost see Madame Speaker look at MF45 across that huge table,
shake that finger of hers, and declare with marching cadence ::

"Oh no, you don't. You're swimming in my pool now, guppy (GOPPY)!"

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