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Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:28 PM

White House Considers $1 Billion Price Tag for Ventilators -- and Has Second Thoughts

Source: NYT

WASHINGTON — The White House had been preparing on Wednesday to announce amid an escalating pandemic that a joint venture between General Motors and Ventec Life Systems would begin producing as many as 80,000 desperately needed ventilators when word suddenly came down that the announcement was off.

The decision to cancel the announcement, according to government officials, came after the Federal Emergency Management Agency said it needed more time to assess whether the estimated cost was prohibitive — more than $1 billion, with several hundred million dollars to be paid upfront to General Motors to retool the car parts plant in Kokomo, Ind., where the ventilators would be made with Ventec’s technology.

Government officials said the deal may still happen but that they are looking at a dozen or more other proposals. And they contend that an initial promise that the joint venture could turn out 20,000 ventilators in short order had shrunk to 7,500, with even that number in doubt. Longtime emergency managers at FEMA are working with military officials to sort through the competing offers and federal procurement rules while under pressure to give President Trump something to announce.

By early Thursday evening, at the president’s daily news briefing with his coronavirus task force, there was still nothing to announce, and the outcome of the deliberations remained unclear.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/us/politics/coronavirus-ventilators-trump.html






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Reply White House Considers $1 Billion Price Tag for Ventilators -- and Has Second Thoughts (Original post)
demmiblue Mar 26 OP
stillcool Mar 26 #1
marble falls Mar 26 #8
stillcool Mar 26 #9
Flaleftist Mar 26 #14
DENVERPOPS Mar 27 #23
Firestorm49 Mar 26 #2
msongs Mar 26 #3
William Seger Mar 26 #5
Baitball Blogger Mar 26 #10
mr_lebowski Mar 27 #26
NickB79 Mar 26 #11
iluvtennis Mar 26 #15
bucolic_frolic Mar 26 #4
SunSeeker Mar 27 #20
pangaia Mar 26 #6
Scarsdale Mar 27 #32
Talitha Mar 26 #7
tinymontgomery Mar 26 #12
Sloumeau Mar 26 #13
NBachers Mar 26 #17
airplaneman Mar 27 #19
Flaleftist Mar 26 #16
DENVERPOPS Mar 27 #24
Tbear Mar 26 #18
AtheistCrusader Mar 27 #21
MoonlitKnight Mar 27 #22
McCamy Taylor Mar 27 #25
Ghost Dog Mar 27 #27
intrepidity Mar 27 #28
Brainfodder Mar 27 #29
BumRushDaShow Mar 27 #30
crickets Mar 27 #35
BumRushDaShow Mar 27 #36
crickets Mar 27 #37
Walleye Mar 27 #31
Vinca Mar 27 #33
Hestia Mar 27 #34

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:32 PM

1. they'll be coming very soon...

next week. Along with those tests.

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Response to stillcool (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:08 PM

8. Coming soon? ...

They're not even breathing hard.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:32 PM

9. you're bad...but..

with Republicans, what can you expect?

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Response to stillcool (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:54 PM

14. Not even necessary. We will be at zero cases any day now.

I can't believe anyone still takes that fucking clown seriously.

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Response to stillcool (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 04:00 AM

23. And Trump's income tax filings.....LOL N/C

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:33 PM

2. Begin producing? At this point, beginning? WTF!

What a waste of an administration. Please go down in flames with my blessing.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:35 PM

3. that's $12,500 each, 1 billion divided by 80 K nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:54 PM

5. Catastrophe capitalism (nt)

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Response to msongs (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:34 PM

10. Is this really happening??

The media needs to report how the Trump administration screwed this one up to, creating a bidding war that created ridiculous prices!

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 04:16 AM

26. Aren't bidding wars supposed work the other way around?



Guess they can't even do simple economics correctly.

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Response to msongs (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:43 PM

11. A single ventilator can save dozens of lives over the course of a year

$1000/patient is NOT an extravagant amount to pay, especially for a nation that's willing to spend TRILLIONS over the past 20 years bombing brown people to dust and ash.

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Response to msongs (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:54 PM

15. Which is mid level price. Read artucle a ventilator can cost $4,000 to $40,000. nt

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:39 PM

4. Triple timing existing plants

might be a lot quicker and cheaper. Limiting factors are probably critical parts and electronics, so you get someone who knows manufacture and push them to source and expand. You push! Not sit on proposals and shop for a good deal for a week already

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 12:25 AM

20. Exactly. Fuck GM.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:02 PM

6. I've seen articles on a number of small groups of people, very small companies,

around the world who have figured out how to make them pretty easily and cheaply

Too tired tonite to go looking for links.

IN UK I think for one... maybe even US.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 07:22 AM

32. Dyson vacuum plant

is making them. Jared is likely delaying the decision until his BROTHER has his deal in place. If they want something for tRump to announce, here is a suggestion. "I am resigning the presidency immediately, so someone COMPETENT can take over" That would work for me. Better late than never.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:04 PM

7. Obama/Biden would have kick-started this ASAP.

November cannot get here fast enough!

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:49 PM

12. Aren't We Giving them a ton of bailout money?

Aren't We Giving them a ton of money from this bailout?
I'd tell them no bailout money if you don't make the ventilators with no charging
us.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:53 PM

13. They will keep promising ventilators, even if they are too cheap to buy them. nt

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Response to Sloumeau (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:45 PM

17. Vaporlators

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Response to NBachers (Reply #17)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 12:13 AM

19. Yes Moisture Vaporators

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:43 PM

16. Trump spent over $100 million playing golf, but $1 billion is too much to save American lives?

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Response to Flaleftist (Reply #16)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 04:06 AM

24. Screw the 100+ million for golf

He just handed 500 BILLION to Corporations for doing nothing, and he is stalling on one billion for respirators???????

Putin is doing an unbelievably good job of getting Trump & Cronies to DESTROY AMERICA, or he will show us pictures of a russian slut peeing on Trump..., some guy blowing Lindsay Graham, etc etc etc........

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 11:19 PM

18. Nice!

The health of our country is waiting for the lowest bidder.
Sarcasm mode is on.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 02:03 AM

21. When it came time to 'liberate Iraq', we didn't blink at spending 720 million dollars a day.

A DAY.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 02:08 AM

22. 1 billion is what I estimated a while ago

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 04:07 AM

25. Trump needs bribes

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 04:30 AM

27. Unlike the pics in the OP, this is the proposed Ventec device:

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 04:38 AM

28. One billion for Boeing? No problem. Ventilators? Ehh, no.

Shithead.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 05:25 AM

29. Professor emeritus of making shit up, what could go wrong?

1296 people have died in just the USA, and this asshole is working the system for $ at every turn?

If it looks like treason...














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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 05:55 AM

30. The better strategy is to deploy 3-D printers to make the parts

and then get an assembly process going.

There is no way that some car factory can go from assembly of a "car" to assembly of a piece of medical equipment that requires very tight specs.

GE had pretty much moved into medical equipment and would be one who could do it. And small appliance manufacturers might - but we had pretty much stopped making small appliances in the U.S. and import them from South Korea or China.

HOWEVER - one whole class of small appliances still made here (to a degree) are consumer vacuum cleaners. Companies like Lux (originally Electrolux), Oreck, ShopVac, and even Maytag (which includes a whole pile of brands like Hoover) make them. These companies have plants in the U.S. that make vacuum cleaners. They basically make/assemble hoses and connectors, as well as install motors that create a vacuum and/or manage other types of air handling, and I would think their manufacturing/assembly processes might be more easily adapted to make a ventilator.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #30)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 02:48 PM

35. See, a healthy person with a normal working brain can come up with good ideas like this.

You're expecting the same from a greedy narcissistic sociopath, and sad to say it's just not going to happen.

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Response to crickets (Reply #35)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 02:53 PM

36. I saw a thread early this morning where one company in the UK IS going to do this!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213182716



(ETA maybe his buddy in the UK, who has now contracted it, will suggest the same for here)

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #36)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 03:07 PM

37. Great news - thanks for the link!

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 06:35 AM

31. Invoke the NDA and set the price. Fire Kushner.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 07:37 AM

33. Trump fiddles while James Dyson of vacuum cleaner fame designed a ventilator in 10 days

and is about to produce 15,000 for the pandemic. Maybe he'll share the technology so local manufacturers can make them. By the time GM and Ventec are up and running - if they ever are - it will be too late.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2020, 08:23 AM

34. When FUBAR meets Disaster Capitalism clashing with Jared

At the center of the discussion about how to ramp up the production of ventilators is Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and a senior White House aide, who has told people that he was called in two weeks ago by Vice President Mike Pence to produce more coronavirus test kits and who has now turned his attention to ventilators.


Last week, General Motors, Ventec Life Systems and a coalition of business executives called StopTheSpread.org issued a statement saying that Ventec would “leverage G.M.’s logistics, purchasing and manufacturing expertise to build more of their critically important ventilators,” including some portable units.


Okay, so now we know who it is that wanting everyone to get back to work while they do the paperwork to get with hedge funds, private capital, etc. There's money in them there hospitals...

And while the chief executive of General Motors, Mary T. Barra, was enthused about the ventilator idea, Mr. Drumpf’s own aides had not embraced the G.M.-Ventec partnership — in part because they had not seen the specifics of the proposal.


That number then shrank to 7,500 ventilators in the initial run, or maybe 5,000, an apparent recognition that auto transmissions and ventilators had very little in common. Those numbers are in flux and so are the Drumpf administration’s because the White House cannot decide how many ventilators it wants.


The $1.5 billion price tag comes to around $18,000 a ventilator. And the overall cost, by comparison, is roughly equal to buying 18 F-35s, the Pentagon’s most advanced fighter jet.


...and here we go...

I have a question - how much have these corporations have made so far from Dead Peasant Policies? House needs to rule those illegal too or give the policies to spouses and families for burials and to eat.

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