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Jose Garcia

(2,698 posts)
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:13 PM Mar 2020

AOC warns she may force House members to return for stimulus vote, potentially delaying final passag

Source: CNN

(CNN)Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the high-profile freshman from New York, is leaving open the option of forcing House members to return to Washington to cast a vote on the $2 trillion stimulus package barreling through Congress.

The New York Democrat has expressed her frustration with reports of the stimulus deal, suggesting it's too tilted towards corporations. The deal was reached between senators from both parties -- including the senior Democratic senator from her state, Chuck Schumer, and the White House.

On Wednesday, Ocasio-Cortez told CNN she is not ruling out asking for a recorded vote, which would force lawmakers to return to Washington and vote in-person, something that most members of Congress are eager to avoid amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Ocasio-Cortez said she hadn't seen the final bill text yet, "but I'm open" to asking for a recorded vote "if necessary."


Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/25/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-coronavirus-package-vote/index.html

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AOC warns she may force House members to return for stimulus vote, potentially delaying final passag (Original Post) Jose Garcia Mar 2020 OP
Why? LisaM Mar 2020 #1
Exactly still_one Mar 2020 #2
She may be excused. elleng Mar 2020 #6
why? because they are about to give trump a lot of borrowed money rampartc Mar 2020 #14
Have you read the breakdown and the safe guards? Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #15
bookmarked rampartc Mar 2020 #18
Such a positive attitude ☹️ as stated above in another post I trust warren and Schumer Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #19
i do not trust trump rampartc Mar 2020 #20
DU has lost it's mind. Gore1FL Mar 2020 #24
What makes you think that they do? ehrnst Mar 2020 #81
Donald Trump's non-conviction lets him do whatever he wants RhodeIslandOne Mar 2020 #43
Trump will do exactly as he pleases and give himself $$ through some backdoor. lark Mar 2020 #51
+1 rampartc Mar 2020 #73
I have not read the bill yet but, I don't beleive of one second that.. Hotler Mar 2020 #55
will any of trump's people even show up for hearings? rampartc Mar 2020 #72
The bill gives Mnuchin (tRump's direct report) full authority and control of decision making over KPN Mar 2020 #68
mnuchin is famous for mortgage foreclosure fraud rampartc Mar 2020 #71
Good point. KPN Mar 2020 #89
Why do you think that Bernie voted yes for the final bill? ehrnst Mar 2020 #82
Good question. I think probably because of the old saw, KPN Mar 2020 #90
Who has said any bill should not be subject to criticism? I think that we should not be ehrnst Mar 2020 #91
Who slammed "certain Democratic leaders for doing what can be done"? KPN Mar 2020 #94
"f this is correct, I'd say that that isn't a safeguard it's a give away of astronomical proportion" ehrnst Mar 2020 #95
Stretch extraordinaire. KPN Mar 2020 #96
Nope. An astute observation. ehrnst Mar 2020 #97
Bigger stretch. KPN Mar 2020 #98
Nope. Just a clear analysis. ehrnst Mar 2020 #99
Nope. Stretch -- and that's a euphemism. KPN Mar 2020 #100
Nope. Clear -- analysis. ehrnst Mar 2020 #103
I mean why can't they figure out a workaround for travel. LisaM Mar 2020 #22
this is the 21st century, after all rampartc Mar 2020 #23
History. Real needs in this country are shoved aside while our "leaders" lavish their own desires. JudyM Mar 2020 #46
The bill is far form perfect. But I think that protecting the safety of House members and their totodeinhere Mar 2020 #66
Inexcusable to vote in person. Regardless of whether a vote is needed, lagomorph777 Mar 2020 #49
It's not about the technology. Obviously that exists. NYC Liberal Mar 2020 #57
There's been coercion for years (maybe the entire life of the Republic). lagomorph777 Mar 2020 #58
I think rethink that. Republicans can afford private jets. Dems not so much. applegrove Mar 2020 #3
So all our Dem pols are poor? News to me. nt EX500rider Mar 2020 #83
Not poor. Just not friendly with CEOs who will lend them jets. applegrove Mar 2020 #86
.... ehrnst Mar 2020 #92
From what I have heard, 'forcing' them back will not be determined by AOC, elleng Mar 2020 #4
I hope so! True Blue American Mar 2020 #44
Yeah, I hadn't heard that AOC got elected Speaker. lagomorph777 Mar 2020 #50
Ditto happy feet Mar 2020 #54
Me too! redstatebluegirl Mar 2020 #79
LOL. No kidding still_one Mar 2020 #75
And endangering lives. RandySF Mar 2020 #5
She needs to rethink that. This. Is. A. Pandemic!!! Phoenix61 Mar 2020 #7
Grandstanding during a time of crisis. TexasTowelie Mar 2020 #8
Doesn't she have a primary challenger? BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #29
I know that she is being challenged in the primary. TexasTowelie Mar 2020 #32
Thank You - me either. BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #35
She has her priorities. Igel Mar 2020 #48
I trust Sens. Schumer and Warren on this. LudwigPastorius Mar 2020 #9
+1000 Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #17
ah no medicaL problems in her district so why not right? hmmm nt msongs Mar 2020 #10
This Does Not Seem A Good Move At Present, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #11
Well there is one potential upside if it was to happen and that is it would force the Republicans in cstanleytech Mar 2020 #28
How many people will suffer BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #31
A lot of course so it might not be worth it. cstanleytech Mar 2020 #37
Such considerations are outweighed by the necessity to protect the health of the House members totodeinhere Mar 2020 #67
The House needs to vote on this in a legit way. It's already a clusterfuck giveaway TeamPooka Mar 2020 #12
I'm not happy about giving the corporations any help either after they have been helped twice. cstanleytech Mar 2020 #38
AOC Never Misses An Opportunity to Be in the Spotlight Indykatie Mar 2020 #13
Exactly! Rebl2 Mar 2020 #56
Aoc has no cards to play! Pure grand standing Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #16
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #21
and congressman that tries to delay this should be run out of washington on a rail rdking647 Mar 2020 #25
Agree 100% True Blue American Mar 2020 #45
Why can't they vote cilla4progress Mar 2020 #26
It's nothing to do with the actual voting Steelrolled Mar 2020 #78
Read the Bill Electronically. Vote Electronically. MarcA Mar 2020 #27
I have not read the bill, but I will say this: PatrickforO Mar 2020 #30
Not sure if this is the same 500B, DeminPennswoods Mar 2020 #41
Hear, hear! KPN Mar 2020 #101
Simple Question? bubbazero Mar 2020 #33
She has a part-time office in Queens and a desk in the corner of her State Rep's office in Bx. George II Mar 2020 #36
She won't need them Historic NY Mar 2020 #52
The Senate just passed it 96-0, give me a fucking break! More grandstanding and headline grabbing. George II Mar 2020 #34
Instead of corporate bailout, just refund the taxes they have paid. keithbvadu2 Mar 2020 #39
Loooooook at meeeeeeeeeee! EllieBC Mar 2020 #40
It would be nice if we actually snuck something into the bill MoonlitKnight Mar 2020 #42
Our Democratic Senators BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #61
Including the tax breaks for wealthy real estate investors? KPN Mar 2020 #102
This will destroy her presidential chances in 8 years. Please don't. lostnfound Mar 2020 #47
Never!! Running primaries against great Dems like Sharice David's & Hakeem Jeffries..stupid Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #62
BRaindead *%## Maxheader Mar 2020 #53
I'd be mightily disappointed if she did that. marble falls Mar 2020 #59
Don't be an asshole AOC. Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #60
AOC is correct about the bill. gab13by13 Mar 2020 #63
She appears to be following Bernie Sanders' lead on this. MineralMan Mar 2020 #64
Sanders voted for the bill Jose Garcia Mar 2020 #69
Yes he did, after not being at the Senate during the creation of it. MineralMan Mar 2020 #70
AOC and Bernie have this one right, Steve.in.AZ Mar 2020 #65
Bernie voted for the bill. I guess you hadn't noticed that. onenote Mar 2020 #74
+++ still_one Mar 2020 #76
What are you talking about? Bernie voted yes for the bill in the Senate.... ehrnst Mar 2020 #80
I know Bernie voted yes. Steve.in.AZ Mar 2020 #85
If there were actual, factual, real alternatives, then why did he vote yes to this bill? ehrnst Mar 2020 #88
Classic AOC. Acting like she has more power and influence than she really has. RelativelyJones Mar 2020 #77
A republican is threatening to delay the vote in the House--another reasons for AOC to stand down onenote Mar 2020 #84
That means she's got to go to Washington, too. BUT simply asking for a recorded vote probably.... George II Mar 2020 #87
I like AOC, but this pisses me off Marrah_Goodman Mar 2020 #93

rampartc

(5,740 posts)
14. why? because they are about to give trump a lot of borrowed money
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:33 PM
Mar 2020

if there is insufficient oversight and safeguards it will be wasted.

Thekaspervote

(33,255 posts)
15. Have you read the breakdown and the safe guards?
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:38 PM
Mar 2020

Trump and his merry band cannot borrow for their junk companies, and there will be oversight.

rampartc

(5,740 posts)
18. bookmarked
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:44 PM
Mar 2020

for when the reports start coming in and our congresscritters start with the "we could never have foreseen they would do that."

the rules should be changed to allow remote voting

Gore1FL

(21,290 posts)
24. DU has lost it's mind.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:05 PM
Mar 2020

FWIW, I'm with you. There is nothing wrong with getting this right and not making it another giveaway to the rich under the auspices of coronavirus relief.

lark

(23,495 posts)
51. Trump will do exactly as he pleases and give himself $$ through some backdoor.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:46 AM
Mar 2020

When caught, he will lie, cover it up and refuse to produce any materials and repugs will go along with it, so she's right, it is a total sham, given the abject traitorous criminal currently infesting the WH.

Hotler

(11,639 posts)
55. I have not read the bill yet but, I don't beleive of one second that..
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:58 AM
Mar 2020

there will be any meaningful oversight. If there is oversight wording I doubt it will have any teeth.

KPN

(15,798 posts)
68. The bill gives Mnuchin (tRump's direct report) full authority and control of decision making over
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 12:04 PM
Mar 2020

$450 billion that can be leveraged by the Federal Reserve by up to 10 times that amount -- i.,e., sole authority over ultimately $4.5 trillion by Mnuchin in concert with the Fed Reserve if I'm reading the info on this link right and the article is correct about it.

[link:https://www.huffpost.com/entry/steve-mnuchin-unemployment-not-relevant_n_5e7cb949c5b6256a7a25ecec|

If this is correct, I'd say that that isn't a safeguard, it's a give away of astronomical proportions. I'm pretty sure I know exactly where most if not all of that money will go -- not in the hands of American workers who are impacted by COVID-19 and must use up their savings (if they have any) to survive.

I am skeptical about the efficacy of the "safeguards" given this info. I mean seriously, what could go wrong?

rampartc

(5,740 posts)
71. mnuchin is famous for mortgage foreclosure fraud
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 12:28 PM
Mar 2020

i would not give him "discretionary authority" over a bag of nickles.

KPN

(15,798 posts)
90. Good question. I think probably because of the old saw,
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:37 PM
Mar 2020

you shouldn’t let the perfect stand in the way of the good. This is a dire time. Any good is better than none. But that doesn’t mean the bill shouldn’t be the subject of criticism for it’s shortcomings or it’s inequities, especially from a Democrats.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
91. Who has said any bill should not be subject to criticism? I think that we should not be
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 10:01 AM
Mar 2020

slamming certain Democratic leaders for doing what can be done, when it can be done.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
95. "f this is correct, I'd say that that isn't a safeguard it's a give away of astronomical proportion"
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 01:08 PM
Mar 2020

Someone is "giving away," yes?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
103. Nope. Clear -- analysis.
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 04:27 PM
Mar 2020

Which seems to make you unhappy, despite the appropriate response, which would be gratitude.

So again... you're welcome.

LisaM

(27,973 posts)
22. I mean why can't they figure out a workaround for travel.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:00 PM
Mar 2020

I think the bills should be scrutinized.

rampartc

(5,740 posts)
23. this is the 21st century, after all
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:04 PM
Mar 2020

its a trillion dollars and they need to at least read the bill, or at the very least have a staffer who reads the bill.

JudyM

(29,424 posts)
46. History. Real needs in this country are shoved aside while our "leaders" lavish their own desires.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:22 AM
Mar 2020

One of our CORE NEEDS is robust oversight of all spending and all legislatively bestowed gifts. Actual accountability would dramatically change the country.

totodeinhere

(13,115 posts)
66. The bill is far form perfect. But I think that protecting the safety of House members and their
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 12:01 PM
Mar 2020

staff is a higher priority. It would be dangerous for them to travel back to Washington and it would not be possible to practice proper social distancing in the House chamber.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
49. Inexcusable to vote in person. Regardless of whether a vote is needed,
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:42 AM
Mar 2020

it would be insane to assemble the House to infect each other. Fer Dawg's sake, which century are we in? Nancy, call the IT department and set up remote voting!

Sheesh.

NYC Liberal

(20,181 posts)
57. It's not about the technology. Obviously that exists.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:01 AM
Mar 2020

The main reason remote voting isn’t allowed is to ensure that no coercion is involved. Can’t put a gun to someone’s head on the floor of the House.

But yes, something will need to be worked out, clearly.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
58. There's been coercion for years (maybe the entire life of the Republic).
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:08 AM
Mar 2020

Something as gauche as a gun on the floor went away in the early 19th century. That doesn't stop coercion.

elleng

(133,043 posts)
4. From what I have heard, 'forcing' them back will not be determined by AOC,
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:20 PM
Mar 2020

but by the rules and circumstances. (This from N. Pelosi and Katie Porter.)

happy feet

(946 posts)
54. Ditto
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:49 AM
Mar 2020

A bit sick of AOC getting press as if she has more wisdom, experience and intelligence than the duly elected Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi. If AOC had been listened too, the House wouldn't have impeached Donald Trump. Schumer (who gives credit to Warren and has been in conversation with Pelosi every step of the way) have negotiated in major safeguards to the corporate funds as possible. Work the process, but enough of the vanity, only, holdups.

TexasTowelie

(113,624 posts)
8. Grandstanding during a time of crisis.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:22 PM
Mar 2020

The Trump administration is salivating at the prospect of creating ads that will hurt all Democrats if AOC delays passage of the bill.

TexasTowelie

(113,624 posts)
32. I know that she is being challenged in the primary.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:36 PM
Mar 2020

However, I'm not the most informed member on DU about the race.

Igel

(35,665 posts)
48. She has her priorities.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:36 AM
Mar 2020

For all the "it's just to give money to the workers" there were a lot of things like board restructuring and other kinds of reporting and oversight over corporations that had nothing to do with the fund distributed and their use.

Never let a crisis go to waste. It's an opportunity to get things accomplished because of the increased leverage. "Do this, or we'll say you hate the workers." "But what you want has little to do with the pandemic and stimulus." "See, everybody, they hate the workers!"

LudwigPastorius

(9,680 posts)
9. I trust Sens. Schumer and Warren on this.
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:23 PM
Mar 2020

Now, is not the time for a delaying power play like this.

If Rep. Ocasio-Cortez doesn't agree with what's in the bill, she can vote "no".

The Magistrate

(95,629 posts)
11. This Does Not Seem A Good Move At Present, Sir
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:26 PM
Mar 2020

The young woman seems to have sound political instincts generally, and I would expect her to have a good career and valuable in Congress. But unless she has some means of actually changing the text, which I suspect she does not, putting everyone to trouble and delay will be achieve no good purpose. Perhaps it is a 'tit-for-tat' with Gohmert's similar shenanigan's earlier in the process.

cstanleytech

(26,527 posts)
28. Well there is one potential upside if it was to happen and that is it would force the Republicans in
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:30 PM
Mar 2020

the House to go on the record.
If they vote no then it can be used against them and if they vote yes some of their own people will use it against them and if they abstain it can be painted either way so they still get slammed.

totodeinhere

(13,115 posts)
67. Such considerations are outweighed by the necessity to protect the health of the House members
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 12:03 PM
Mar 2020

and their staffs. It would not be possible to observe proper social distancing in the House chamber.

cstanleytech

(26,527 posts)
38. I'm not happy about giving the corporations any help either after they have been helped twice.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 12:03 AM
Mar 2020

First with the varies bailouts and loans when were in the Great Republican Recession and then later on when they got all those tax cuts as both times they simply bought their stocks back to raise the share prices and still kept offshoring jobs while not significantly increasing the average workers wages.
On the other hand atleast its not being done like how Trump wanted it done with him being in control of the dispersing it because we all know he would have provided little to no assistance to California and New York.

Indykatie

(3,732 posts)
13. AOC Never Misses An Opportunity to Be in the Spotlight
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 10:31 PM
Mar 2020

This is ridiculous and she needs to follow Speaker Pelosi's lead. Timing is of the essence.

Rebl2

(13,944 posts)
56. Exactly!
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:59 AM
Mar 2020

I think Pelosi needs to have a talk with her. She can always vote no. Don’t know how her constituents will feel about it if she votes no. I’m guessing they won’t be happy with her.

Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
25. and congressman that tries to delay this should be run out of washington on a rail
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:11 PM
Mar 2020

i dont care who they are or what party. its nothing more than political grandstanding.

as far as im concerned they should be booted out of congress...

True Blue American

(18,036 posts)
45. Agree 100%
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:23 AM
Mar 2020

A reminder. What happened to the small Republican Freedom Caucus? Most gone, all defanged.

I think Gym and MCCarthy are the only 2 left.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
78. It's nothing to do with the actual voting
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 02:03 PM
Mar 2020

It is an obstruction technique. Obstruction is one of the first things our fine politicians (of all parties) learn when they go to Washington.

PatrickforO

(14,672 posts)
30. I have not read the bill, but I will say this:
Wed Mar 25, 2020, 11:32 PM
Mar 2020

Because the Democrats stayed tough, the bill likely does have some good provisions for workers and may even permanently strengthen safety nets such as UI, which the Republicans have cut away at for decades.

That said, no matter how much oversight is to be placed on this $500 billion going to Mnuchin, one guy is still going to have half a trillion dollars. Now, if that was going to be used mainly for small businesses, to keep them afloat and to keep their workers on payroll, great.

But my fear is that it may be used to funnel money to big multinational corporations while not requiring much of them except not to pay executive bonuses or buy back shares. It would be better (and I know, the Republicans would never agree) if the money had strings attached that forced an expansion of fiduciary responsibility of corporate officers beyond mere shareholder earnings - in other words move corporations receiving the aid permanently toward an expanded stakeholder model of operations rather than shareholder primacy.

AOC takes a lot of flack, sometimes rightly, but she does understand this about corporations. If we forced these entities to a stakeholder model it would solve a plethora of problems moving forward.

DeminPennswoods

(15,466 posts)
41. Not sure if this is the same 500B,
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:18 AM
Mar 2020

but I heard on MSNBC, I think, that this money is actually reserved for the Fed to use to help businesses. The term I heard used was "money cannon" to be aimed and fired as needed.

keithbvadu2

(37,914 posts)
39. Instead of corporate bailout, just refund the taxes they have paid.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 02:36 AM
Mar 2020

Instead of corporate bailout, just refund the taxes they have paid.

EllieBC

(3,154 posts)
40. Loooooook at meeeeeeeeeee!
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 03:44 AM
Mar 2020

I’m with Schumer and Warren and I’ll continue to side with the adults.

Her constant need for attention is not needed at this point.

MoonlitKnight

(1,584 posts)
42. It would be nice if we actually snuck something into the bill
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:37 AM
Mar 2020

Unlike what usually happens when we rush to pass crisis legislation in the trillions of dollars.

It seems the bill has most of what I wanted, but I have an uneasy feeling about this. Moscow Mitch is up to something.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
61. Our Democratic Senators
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 11:34 AM
Mar 2020

Were on this bill like a dog on a bone. Most of the truly egregious stuff has been carved out of the Senate bill. What passed was much better thanks to our hard working Dems than the crap the conservative lobbyists served up for Mitch to pass.

KPN

(15,798 posts)
102. Including the tax breaks for wealthy real estate investors?
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 12:18 PM
Mar 2020

Defined real estate investors as those with annual income greater than $500k. Now who could possibly benefit from that?

lostnfound

(16,294 posts)
47. This will destroy her presidential chances in 8 years. Please don't.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:19 AM
Mar 2020

She may be right but I’d really like to see her as president someday.

Thekaspervote

(33,255 posts)
62. Never!! Running primaries against great Dems like Sharice David's & Hakeem Jeffries..stupid
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 11:40 AM
Mar 2020

Not presidential material, nor a solid enough dem. She doesn’t care about the democrats anymore than sanders does

Maxheader

(4,381 posts)
53. BRaindead *%##
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:07 AM
Mar 2020

They need to immediately get money out there to the critical need areas...pay for it out
of the final/passed bill...

Happy Hoosier

(7,651 posts)
60. Don't be an asshole AOC.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 11:23 AM
Mar 2020

No, this bill is everything we might want. But since we don;t control the entire government, we won't GET everything we want.

It's called being a fucking grown-up.

This is what our leaders were able to extract. It's not perfect, or complete. But it is a damn sight better than what we started with. And speed is an important element here.

gab13by13

(22,562 posts)
63. AOC is correct about the bill.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 11:47 AM
Mar 2020

From what I heard the 500 billion will go to the Fed as a down payment for them to spend another 2.6 trillion or more. No one has oversight over the Fed. I may be totally off base about this but nevertheless this is just another example of what Naomi Klein wrote in her book The Shock Doctrine, disaster capitalism or as I like to call it highway robbery.

When these trillions of dollars get spent Republicans will have a change of heart about spending money and the debt and then they will come after Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

I guess 1.5 trillion dollars doesn't last very long, corporations spent it on buy backs and bonuses.

Picketty was also right, this is going to really widen the income inequality gap.

MineralMan

(146,531 posts)
64. She appears to be following Bernie Sanders' lead on this.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 11:47 AM
Mar 2020

A singularly stupid thing to do in an election year for a freshman in the House. With NYC the focal point for COVID-19 right now, such an action on AOC's part would be political suicide. She has competitors for that seat.

Don't be foolish, Representative Ocasio-Cortez. You have considerable promise as a member of Congress. Don't blow it all away for a futile stand. Stop listening to Bernie, please.

MineralMan

(146,531 posts)
70. Yes he did, after not being at the Senate during the creation of it.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 12:21 PM
Mar 2020

Then, he did a grandstand play, threatening to hold it up that was pure freelancing and a campaign gimmick. In the end, he voted on it, and it passed unanimously. It would have passed, in any case, and so will the House bill. The public will not tolerate any delays on this bill. Being the initiator of delays will be a huge mistake for anyone who tries that tactic.

People are panicked about all of this. For most, what exactly is in the bill doesn't matter. They just want to see something heroic being done. Anyone who gets in the way of that is likely destroying their future in Congress, to be quite frank.

Senate Democrats did a good job of delaying it until it got some much-needed tweaking. The House needs to pass that bill and move on to other things, I believe. AOC is making a mistake that could easily cost her the NYC district she represents. There is zero patience in New York City, to be quite frank, and rightly so.

Steve.in.AZ

(13 posts)
65. AOC and Bernie have this one right,
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 12:01 PM
Mar 2020

I think. This is the biggest move to date in the far-right program of robbing the rest of us to give to the 1%.

Remember, these same corporations swore in 2017 they'd use their tax windfall to boost employees' pay. They didn't. They bought their own stock in order to boost shareholder value. Now they're cash-poor when a crisis arises. Who could possibly have predicted that?

I say not one more penny of taxpayer money to the corporations. Let's give direct relief to workers in the form of moratoriums on rent, mortgage, tax, and utility payments. That's the way to really help working families. Then let the feds help the affected companies on a case by case basis.

Lawmakers on Wednesday unveiled tougher oversight plans for the massive business bailout program at the heart of the latest coronavirus stimulus bill, after Democrats attacked the measure as an unchecked slush fund.


The effectiveness of the measures will hinge on how the new oversight entities are structured, what powers they have and — perhaps most importantly — who's selected to run them, according to watchdogs and veterans of the bank bailout oversight programs.


source: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/government-track-bailout-funds-148641

onenote

(43,390 posts)
74. Bernie voted for the bill. I guess you hadn't noticed that.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 01:16 PM
Mar 2020

If Bernie is the pope of the progressive movement, what is the point of AOC trying to be more Catholic than the pope?

Steve.in.AZ

(13 posts)
85. I know Bernie voted yes.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 03:32 PM
Mar 2020

They all did. And I realize it's more complex than I was making it out to be.

My point was to say, as Bernie has, that there are alternatives.

In my view, the approach being contemplated in the UK, for instance, is superior. It would guarantee all workers 80% of their wages if unable to work, and it would prohibit layoffs and firings.

Also, some states and localities are implementing the moratoriums I mentioned.

There are ways to bail out the public without pushing more trillions of dollars upstream to the already-wealthy.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
88. If there were actual, factual, real alternatives, then why did he vote yes to this bill?
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:03 PM
Mar 2020


There are ways to bail out the public without pushing more trillions of dollars upstream to the already-wealthy.


If that's true, then why didn't Bernie present them to everyone, and get them voted on?

onenote

(43,390 posts)
84. A republican is threatening to delay the vote in the House--another reasons for AOC to stand down
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 03:14 PM
Mar 2020

If republican Thomas Massie carries through with delaying the vote, any political capital we would gain from that move would be lost if AOC also (admittedly for different reasons) also seeks to delay it.

George II

(67,782 posts)
87. That means she's got to go to Washington, too. BUT simply asking for a recorded vote probably....
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:11 PM
Mar 2020

....means only those in attendance have to vote, they don't ALL have to vote.

Marrah_Goodman

(1,586 posts)
93. I like AOC, but this pisses me off
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 12:11 PM
Mar 2020

Without help from the bill our healthcare workers can't do their jobs. If she delays things more people will die then need to.

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