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Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:45 PM

Utah Senate votes to unanimously decriminalize polygamy among consenting adults

Source: Reuters


BY JENNIFER DOBNER REUTERS
Posted February 18, 2020 4:29 pm
Updated February 18, 2020 4:38 pm

The Utah state Senate voted unanimously on Tuesday to effectively decriminalize polygamy among consenting adults, approving a bill to reduce the penalty for plural marriage from a felony to an infraction on par with a traffic ticket.

The Republican-sponsored bill easing the law on polygamy, a practice with deep religious roots in the predominantly Mormon Western state, now moves to the Utah House of Representatives, where it is likely to face greater resistance.

Under current law, the practice of polygamy in Utah – typically involving a man who cohabitates with and purports to marry more than one wife – is treated as a third-degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

If the newly passed Senate bill becomes law, punishments for plural marriage would be limited to fines of up to US$750 and community service. No jail time could be imposed.

Read more: https://globalnews.ca/news/6565225/utah-senate-polygamy-decriminalized/

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Reply Utah Senate votes to unanimously decriminalize polygamy among consenting adults (Original post)
Judi Lynn Feb 18 OP
customerserviceguy Feb 18 #1
Squinch Feb 18 #2
keithbvadu2 Feb 18 #10
2naSalit Feb 18 #13
alphafemale Feb 18 #17
softydog88 Feb 18 #3
rurallib Feb 18 #12
TomSlick Feb 18 #25
Hulk Feb 18 #4
Squinch Feb 18 #14
Canoe52 Feb 18 #5
RockRaven Feb 18 #6
Warpy Feb 18 #7
TomVilmer Feb 18 #8
NurseJackie Feb 18 #9
abqtommy Feb 18 #11
2naSalit Feb 18 #16
keithbvadu2 Feb 18 #15
catrose Feb 18 #18
jmbar2 Feb 18 #19
OriginalGeek Feb 19 #38
olddad65 Feb 18 #20
yaesu Feb 18 #21
Submariner Feb 18 #22
BlueIdaho Feb 18 #23
oldsoftie Feb 18 #24
IADEMO2004 Feb 18 #26
0rganism Feb 18 #27
JDC Feb 18 #28
Marcuse Feb 18 #29
I_UndergroundPanther Feb 18 #30
TreadSoftly Feb 18 #31
MAMMAG8R Feb 18 #32
Nitram Feb 19 #33
mr_lebowski Feb 19 #34
Karadeniz Feb 19 #35
jgmiller Feb 19 #36
orangecrush Feb 19 #37
RhodeIslandOne Feb 20 #39
Recursion Feb 20 #40

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:48 PM

1. I lived in Utah

for six months in 2005, and the Mormons I encountered there were very careful to distinguish the polygamists from themselves. I'm surprised they would move to do this. A lot of them had been on mission trips where they had to counter the idea that the LDS Church was still polygamous, and they were sick of the notion that they were seen that way by so many non-Mormons.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:49 PM

2. Great. Only the way they practice it out there, it is usually not among consenting adults.

It's usually an adult male - sometimes in his forties or fifties - with an underage girl who has no choice in the matter.

And there are the tapes that prove it.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:23 PM

10. Old - Grown enough to marry

Old - Grown enough to marry

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Response to Squinch (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:28 PM

13. +1

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Response to Squinch (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:42 PM

17. Even if legally,adults there may not be consent.

I don't think many of those women get to say whether they actually want to be in that situation.

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Response to softydog88 (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:27 PM

12. that is what I thought

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Response to softydog88 (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:54 PM

25. Well, sorta.

The Enabling Act that allowed for Utah's admission to the union contained a requirement that the State Constitution provide:

"That perfect toleration of religious sentiment shall be secured, and that no inhabitant of said State shall ever be molested in person or property on account of his or her mode of religious worship; Provided, That polygamous or plural marriages are forever prohibited."

As required, the Utah Constitution provides: "Perfect toleration of religious sentiment is guaranteed. No inhabitant of this State shall ever be molested in person or property on account of his or her mode of religious worship; but polygamous or plural marriages are forever prohibited."

Bigamy (the term used in the Utah statutes) is still "prohibited" under the Senate bill, it's just reduced from an felony to an "infraction" - you know, like jay-walking.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 05:52 PM

4. Ah....those pressing needs are being met in Utah

Yup....that's not a waste of time. Great idea. Get all those unmarried women hooked up to share some "provider" to take care of them in those cold winters.

Romney country.

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Response to Hulk (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:28 PM

14. It ain't women. It's little girls usually.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:06 PM

5. How progressive of them!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:13 PM

6. Didn't they oppose gay marriage on the grounds that marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman?

Or did Utah GrOPers happen assiduously to avoid that particular argument? I kind of doubt it.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:17 PM

7. Good move

It might start to break down that wall of secrecy they live behind, homeschooling the kids more out of fear of discovery than religious control and associating only with other polygamous families.

I knew a non Mormon polygamous family many years ago. It ended badly, the lord and master got booted out and the women kept living together because that part of the arrangement had been good for them.

Still, having that wall of secrecy torn down to the point that women will know that speaking out if some old goat wants to take an 11 year old girl as his fifteenth wife will not destroy their own families will help a great deal.

Forcing everybody into a one size fits all lifestyle causes a lot more harm than allowing alternatives out in the sunshine.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:22 PM

8. I have no problem with polygamy...

... since I myself lived in such a small harem when I was young. We were on social security for some time, and I was put in the official papers here in Denmark as head of the house. No official marriage though.

What I do not like is people being forced into marriages, also just as couples.

But do not let any social customs, silly church ideas or laws stop people from being joined together in holy what ever they like and love, as long it is done freely and with no pressure for doing it!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:22 PM

9. Child rape.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:26 PM

11. Of course! Mormon men are like trRUMP; they like to grab them some pussy and more is better.

Now are Mormon women going to be allowed to have multiple husbands? asking for a friend...

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Response to abqtommy (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:31 PM

16. Probably not.

It's hard to catch up with over population when you can only have one breeder at a time.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:28 PM

15. Which spouse is the official/legal spouse?

Which spouse is the official/legal spouse?

After all, polygamy would still be a crime.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:25 PM

18. I want to see what they think of a woman with two (or more) husbands.

All above the age of consent, of course.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:33 PM

19. I eagerly await the response from the rest of the "one-man-one-woman" Religious Right

Expecting crickets...

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Response to jmbar2 (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 03:32 PM

38. Well I certainly can't speak for all of them

but the Independent, fundamentalist baptist church I grew up in considered Mormons one step below catholics. None of them right with the lord and all destined for a burning hell. So I expect they'll proclaim loudly from those pulpits how evil this is while secretly wishing they could get in on it.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:46 PM

20. If they can all be married legally, and none are on welfare

It might cost the taxpayers less, but what about the sexually abused young women?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:52 PM

21. I think marriage is going the way of the dinosaurs anyway. A lot of twenty somethings I know

not only aren't interested in tying the knot but are into open relationships, more than one partner.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:53 PM

22. Sex perverts hiding behind religion to rape kids

Those mormons weren't going to let the perverts at the roman catholic church of child rape have all that rapey fun with kids for themselves.

If the mormon women have half a brain they will grab their kids and run away from these creepy LDS elders making rape great again in trump country.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:02 PM

23. I'll be shocked if they pull this off...

“The Church” as LDS members call it, has worked to separate itself from the FLDS and other kook splinter groups that claim the true lineage back to old Joe Smith. So this is about power as much as anything. Now my great grandfather who spent three years in the state pen would have been thrilled. He could have kept all four of his wives... crazy.

I wonder how Mittens feels about this?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:50 PM

24. It was only a matter of time. "Consenting adults" and all that.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:00 PM

26. Goes both ways? A woman can have multiple husbands too? Only Fair

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:06 PM

27. will other states be expected to honor these marriages?

i would think so, along with the corresponding complications to child custody and inheritance laws.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:22 PM

28. Wasn't the abolition of polygamy a condition of statehood?

This is really an over the top move in the age of anything goes Trumpism.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:55 PM

29. The one is more than enough for me.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:20 PM

30. I dare them to

Legalize polyandry. Cause if the men want harems,the women should have the right to have them also.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:25 PM

31. could lead to interesting tax and estate planning challenges nt

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:56 PM

32. If God is on your side you can do anything eom

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 12:04 AM

33. Will that include forced marriages with underage girls?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 03:31 AM

34. Frankly I've never really thought it should be illegal as long as everyone's 18 or over myself nt

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 04:45 AM

35. Sounds like an excellent way to incubate abuses....Mr. Patriarch at the top. Patriarchy isn't

Famous for its tolerance or striving for social equality. This is not good. Is membership down?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 01:27 PM

36. Can someone explain something to me?

I've always been very confused by this whole thing. If marrying multiple people in the civil is illegal why do it?

There's no law against having multiple "wives" if you want there's not even anything illegal about a minister performing the ceremony (the church position is different) so why go to the court house, get a license and sign it and therefore admit to a crime?

If your theory is that God allows polygamy then why do you care about the secular license that is just going to land you in jail?

Of course everything I said assumes consenting adults.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 03:19 PM

37. Goose and Gander?


Does this also make it legal for one woman to have a harem of husband's?


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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 03:55 AM

39. The great, but sort of forgotten TV show Picket Fences did an episode on this some 25 years ago

The daughter on the show believed her best friend was engaging in incest with her father as she was pregnant and couldn't explain who her secret boyfriend was. So sheriff's daughter files a complaint, leading to her father, played by Tom Skerritt to arrest the guy. The big reveal comes in the courtroom when it turns out the girl is a bit older than she let on and is engaged in polygamy with the man and woman posing as her parents.

The judge (played by the legendary Ray Walston) basically says the rules of marriage are changing and saying he doesn't want the test case while talking about common law marriage. Well, they were ahead of their time, that show.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Thu Feb 20, 2020, 12:53 PM

40. Hard to get much more "traditional marriage" than that

I'd love to see the Bible-thumpers try to go against that...

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