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Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:36 PM

Woman who was at Camp Ashland for coronavirus monitoring taken to Nebraska Medical Center

Source: Omaha World Herald

By Julie Anderson

One of the 57 Americans being monitored at Camp Ashland for the new coronavirus was taken Friday to the Nebraska Medical Center campus for evaluation and testing after she developed a cough.

The woman was tested for the new coronavirus. If the first test comes back negative, it will be repeated in 24 hours, per recommendations from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. If the second test is negative, the woman will be taken back to the camp, which is near Ashland, about 30 miles southwest of Omaha.

Overnight, officials said, the woman developed some “extremely mild” respiratory symptoms — a mild cough, no fever. Acting out of an abundance of caution, CDC officials decided to bring her to the National Quarantine Unit. That’s in a building separate from those where patients receive care at the Nebraska Medical Center.

The 57 people arrived in Omaha last Friday from the Wuhan area of China, the center of the outbreak of the novel coronavirus. As of Friday, they were in the ninth day of their 14-day quarantine, said Capt. Dana Hall, incident commander with the U.S. Health and Human Service’s Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response.





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Omaha Steve Friday OP
PoindexterOglethorpe Saturday #1
woundedkarma Saturday #2
PoindexterOglethorpe Saturday #3
Boomer Saturday #4
LiberalArkie Saturday #6
LisaL Saturday #5
LiberalArkie Saturday #7
PoindexterOglethorpe Saturday #8
LiberalArkie Saturday #9
LisaL Saturday #10
LiberalArkie Saturday #13
LisaL Saturday #16
LiberalArkie Saturday #17
Sapient Donkey Saturday #11
PoindexterOglethorpe Saturday #14
LisaL Saturday #15
PoindexterOglethorpe Saturday #18
LisaL Saturday #19
PoindexterOglethorpe Saturday #21
jpak Saturday #20
Sapient Donkey Saturday #12

Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 01:29 AM

1. Oh, gosh.

Extremely mild symptoms.

Am I the only one who thinks that almost everyone is overreacting to the corona virus?

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 01:59 AM

2. I'm sure the 1400 people who've died so far were definitely overreacting... nt

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Response to woundedkarma (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 03:30 AM

3. And since almost all of them were in China,

maybe we should all be questioning how China deals with sick people. Or how they manage things like live animal markets. Or how they actually treat sick people.

There's an underlying assumption (it seems to me) that health care in China is exactly as we know it in the rest of the world. I want to question that.

And there's a kind of hysteria associated with this corona virus that is out of proportion to what is really going on. Keep in mind that in China the number of reported cases is probably the tip of the iceberg, meaning vastly more cases are unreported. Meaning that the death toll is relatively small.

There's a reason that so many deadly illnesses come out of China, and people ought to be outraged at this.

Influenza. In China, waterfowl (meaning ducks) and swine are raised together. I think it has to do with the fact that one will eat the feces of the other and vice versa. The influenza virus is swapped back and forth between the two species. During that swapping it mutates. And the new mutations get transferred to humans. Oh, my. If the Chinese were to alter their swine and waterfowl raising practices, it would make a HUGE difference in the incidence of influenza across the rest of the world.

Live animal markets. In China, every possible animal you might think of, and hundreds more, show up in live animal markets. And they're crammed together, close enough that whatever you've seen of chicken raising in this country will look spacious. Is it any wonder that viruses jump species?

Meanwhile, can we question the hand-washing habits of people in China?

Not to mention, most of those who died were elderly or were in some way immuno compromised. Hardly surprising.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 07:44 AM

4. Deaths have been unreported too

From first-person accounts of people in China who have lost family members, their dead relatives were hurriedly cremated (against family wishes) without being tested. So the true virulence of the virus is still in question.

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Response to woundedkarma (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 10:44 AM

6. CDC estimates* that, from October 1, 2019, through February 8, 2020, there have been:

26,000,000 – 36,000,000. flu illnesses

12,000,000 – 17,000,000 flu medical visits

250,000 – 440,000 flu hospitalizations

14,000 – 36,000 flu deaths

*Because influenza surveillance does not capture all cases of flu that occur in the U.S., CDC provides these estimated ranges to better reflect the larger burden of influenza. These estimates are calculated based on CDC’s weekly influenza surveillance data and are preliminary.


https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm


Note. Get your shots!!!

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 08:46 AM

5. Covid-19 could start off with extremely mild symptoms.

Then it could develop into pneumonia that could turn lethal.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 10:45 AM

7. Fro what I have read it has been pneumonia that did most people in. Just like the flu.


Get your flu and pneumonia shots (if you are in the risk group)

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 11:45 AM

8. That's true, definitely about flu, and it's hugely important.

People almost never die directly from influenza. But the CDC lumps influenza and deaths from flu together, giving a vastly misleading impression about the danger of flu.

Same with this corona virus. It's not itself particularly deadly, from what is known. But the elderly and others with underlying health issues become likely to develop pneumonia.

I also seriously wonder about the actual quality of health care in China. Plus, what Boomer said above
From first-person accounts of people in China who have lost family members, their dead relatives were hurriedly cremated (against family wishes) without being tested. So the true virulence of the virus is still in question.


Maybe ordinary deaths that would be occurring anyway are being blamed on this corona virus. Not to mention, wouldn't the flu be rampaging in China this time of year anyway?

Keep in mind the very large population of the Wuhan area, and China itself.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:13 PM

9. Wuhan aslo has a biohazard facility that may have had a germ escape causing a lot of victims locally

Although most of the developed worlds drugs are made in that area, I have to wonder how many of the population get a flu vaccine or a pneumonia vaccine.

The Covid-19 may be dangerous but with the flu happening at the same time, the may not even know what killed the patient besides the pneumonia. I think it would be very expensive to test everyone with a sniffle for the viruses.

The total number of sick will probably hit 70,000 world wide this weekend. US flu deaths is may be about 36,000 this weekend. I can not find what the normal world wide annual flu mortality is at this time.

I guess people will have to wait and see how it mutates and does the current flu shot offer any protection.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:29 PM

10. Pneumonia shot protects against bacterial pneumonia.

Covid causes viral pneumonia.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:54 PM

13. It may still work tough

Pneumonia is an infection that inflames the air sacs in one or both lungs. The air sacs may fill with fluid or pus (purulent material), causing cough with phlegm or pus, fever, chills, and difficulty breathing. A variety of organisms, including bacteria, viruses and fungi, can cause pneumonia.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 03:01 PM

16. It won't work, because it appears covid-19 itself is causing pneumonia.

"The evidence so far points to the virus itself as the cause of pneumonia in COVID-19 patients, the infectious disease doctors agreed. To be sure of that, Schaffner said, “we need more clinical information and very careful observation.” There are no treatments for that virus, although there’s a rush to test drugs used for other viruses like HIV. Because pneumonia vaccines target bacteria, they would not prevent pneumonia caused by a virus. Antibiotics also would not be effective."
https://www.inquirer.com/health/flu-coronavirus-covid-19-pneumonia-vanderbilt-penn-johns-hopkins-jefferson-20200214.html

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Response to LisaL (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 03:19 PM

17. I was just going by what Mayo Clinic said

Pneumonia is an infection that inflames the air sacs in one or both lungs. The air sacs may fill with fluid or pus (purulent material), causing cough with phlegm or pus, fever, chills, and difficulty breathing. A variety of organisms, including bacteria, viruses and fungi, can cause pneumonia.

I have had pneumonia caused by pollen. Pneumonia is an infection caused by something else.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:48 PM

11. I bet their thinking is that it's better to overreact and have people say they are overreacting

than to underreact and have deaths due to it. Personally if I was one of those people, I would much rather than overreact with me than tell me go home and sleep it off.

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Response to Sapient Donkey (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:54 PM

14. I disagree.

Every time I run the numbers, the official death rate is 2%. And that's from actual cases reported. It appears that many people have mild symptoms and recover just fine. So the actual death rate is probably well below 1%.

I am reminded of the extreme overreaction to Ebola in this country, especially regarding that unfortunate man who went to the hospital with symptoms, was sent home, returned a few days later and eventually died. There was this incredible freak-out that he'd spread Ebola far and wide. He didn't. In fact, the people who lived in the same apartment with him, who were quarantined there and not even allowed to get rid of the sheets he'd sweated and bled on, none of them got Ebola.

And yes, Ebola and this corona virus are very different from each other, but overreacting simply causes fear and panic.

Too bad people don't overreact similarly to gun violence.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 02:57 PM

15. He infected two nurses who cared for him.

Both were treated and survived.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:15 PM

18. Yes, and that was because the nurses were initially not given

the correct information about what he had and were not given the full biohazard suit they needed to be wearing, if I recall correctly.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 06:43 PM

19. No, those two nurses knew he had Ebola when they were caring for him.

Ebola becomes very infectious in the latest stages when the person is about to die. They were caring for him as he was about to die.
This Covid becomes infectious before person is even showing symptoms.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 07:15 PM

21. I recall that at least one of them

indicated they weren't told about the Ebola or that they weren't given proper equipment. And that they were very angry about that. I may be misremembering.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 07:11 PM

20. The current crude mortality rate is 2.4% - 1918 Spanish Flu was 2.5%

It killed 50+ million worldwide over 2 years.

The outcome mortality rate for COVID-19 is much scarier...

Outcome - as in if you live or die after contacting the virus - is 15% mortality.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Mild it is not.

Stop

Please

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:50 PM

12. Will this person (or insurance) have to pay for this?

And not even this, but also the people who are being quarantine at Camp Ashland. Are they going to receive a bill in the mail? Any one know how that works in these situations?

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