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Calista241

(5,586 posts)
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 07:26 PM Feb 2020

Elizabeth Smart says she was sexually assaulted on flight

Source: Associated Press

Utah kidnapping and rape survivor Elizabeth Smart said Thursday that she was sexually assaulted on an airplane last year while she was sleeping.

Smart, now a 32-year-old mother of three, referenced her kidnapping from her Salt Lake City home in 2002 in describing her reaction to the attack to “CBS News This Morning.” She said she was asleep during a flight when the man next to her began rubbing her inner thigh with his hand.

....

Smart’s spokesman, Chris Thomas, said Thursday the attack happened July 19 on a Delta Air Lines flight from Philadelphia to Atlanta.

He said it’s being investigated by the FBI and Delta.

“I called up my husband and I was like, ‘Do I just have a big badge on my forehead that says ‘Easy Prey’ or ’Victim?’” Smart told CBS. “Because I’m sick of it.”

Read more: https://apnews.com/6ce3ea316bd589a0f658b45e975caa8d

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Elizabeth Smart says she was sexually assaulted on flight (Original Post) Calista241 Feb 2020 OP
Poor woman TEB Feb 2020 #1
Metro north in NYC in the 80's. I kept an old fashioned Squinch Feb 2020 #2
Great idea NT Rorey Feb 2020 #4
I'm a pretty passive person Rorey Feb 2020 #3
Isn't that exactly what trump used to do? radical noodle Feb 2020 #5
Poor thing Ohiogal Feb 2020 #6
I cannot fall asleep on a plane or a train... WestLosAngelesGal Feb 2020 #7
Video from "This Morning" on CBS True Blue Drew Feb 2020 #8
If that was me the guy would be embarrassed as hell blueinredohio Feb 2020 #9
Why do people do this? I don't think it's ever happened to me on a plane LisaM Feb 2020 #10
People should keep their hands to themselves cannabis_flower Feb 2020 #17
Good for your Manager Sherman A1 Feb 2020 #21
I don't know cannabis_flower Feb 2020 #23
I have a really depressing story from work. AtheistCrusader Feb 2020 #20
That is really sad Sherman A1 Feb 2020 #22
" Why do people do this? " mitch96 Feb 2020 #26
a guy touched me uninvited on a plane Skittles Feb 2020 #11
Really? That's great. Maraya1969 Feb 2020 #13
drunk college kid, grabbed my ass Skittles Feb 2020 #14
That's great. Unfortunately, I tend to freeze up. N/t TexasBushwhacker Feb 2020 #24
That kind of crap really 2naSalit Feb 2020 #12
Ugh, god I feel for her. a la izquierda Feb 2020 #15
What is it with men? LittleGirl Feb 2020 #16
This story just makes my blood boil! FM123 Feb 2020 #18
I am so grateful to the Me Too Movement Chemisse Feb 2020 #19
Horrifying ck4829 Feb 2020 #25
Who would do something like that on a plane? MineralMan Feb 2020 #27
My Dentist told me it's happened to her with a patient. Calista241 Feb 2020 #28
Wow! MineralMan Feb 2020 #29
I hope that applies to staring at fliers should we simply dislike the attire they wear. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #31
Just stop, please. MineralMan Feb 2020 #32
"she had a few sharp objects in his mouth." mitch96 Feb 2020 #30
She's attractive and he's a creep. Brainfodder Feb 2020 #33

Squinch

(50,934 posts)
2. Metro north in NYC in the 80's. I kept an old fashioned
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 07:29 PM
Feb 2020

hatpin handy. Shocking how often middle aged suburban mens hands "slipped."

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
5. Isn't that exactly what trump used to do?
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 07:32 PM
Feb 2020

She's in a unique position to speak for women, and I applaud her for telling her stories.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
9. If that was me the guy would be embarrassed as hell
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:30 PM
Feb 2020

I'd be screaming at the top of my lungs "get your nasty hands off me ,you asshole."

LisaM

(27,800 posts)
10. Why do people do this? I don't think it's ever happened to me on a plane
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:33 PM
Feb 2020

but it's certainly happened to me at various times, including when I used to swim laps. (There are men who swim laps whose hands conveniently splay out into the next lane. I began frequenting women-only swim sessions because of this).

I've had a friend pinched on the bus (she was a fighter, though, the next thing you knew the guy was off the bus, less practical on a plane). It just kerflummoxes me.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
17. People should keep their hands to themselves
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 08:42 AM
Feb 2020

Even if it's not sexual. I was working at a restaurant once and was cleaning the salad bar. A doctor who worked in the building decided I was in the way and grabbed my shoulders from behind and attempted to move me over instead of politely saying excuse me. I raised my arms and spun around hitting him in the head and chest. My manager ran over and asked what happened. I said he grabbed me by the shoulders from behind. He said he was trying to get to the salad bar and that I was "touchy". I replied "No, you're touchy. You don't grab people from behind. You say excuse me.".

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
20. I have a really depressing story from work.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 02:53 PM
Feb 2020

We had a female contractor helping with a project, and we'd been sitting in the same cubicle side by side for about an hour working on training documentation for the users. At one point I said 'excuse me, I need to reach over there' and pointed at a document on the other side of the desk, on her left, because I'm EXTREMELY conscious of personal space, react badly when people violate mine, and never intrude on other's.

She laughed.

'You're all so polite here' and chuckled. Then she stopped laughing, her face got very... blank... and said 'Once you've had someone grab your hair and bend you over a desk....' and trailed off.

I have never seen such behavior, and I had never before spoken face to face with someone who was a victim of it, but that conversation will fucking haunt me. Having been raped at one point in her life led her to view physical contact very differently than I do, and she had, as best as I can tell, completely surrendered the idea that she owned her own personal space as a result. As a guy, it's not a fear I've ever carried with me or truly understood. Now that I've had that personal exchange of knowledge, and seen how it changed the victim, it makes me simultaneously horrified, and enraged.

If I ever see a guy do that shit, I'm going to break his arm with no warning. Then I'm going to testify in court for the victim.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
22. That is really sad
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 03:24 PM
Feb 2020

I worked in the backroom of a grocery store as Receiver for 20+ years. We had a young lady who was stacking a pallet of Pepsi one day which does involve a lot of bending to accomplish. A delivery driver was busy ogling her backside while I was checking in his pallet of cookies and chips when he made the comment, "she really has a nice A**." I was at that point finished with his order, printed the invoice report, handed it to him and looking over the top of my glasses said "she is a very hard worker and I consider all these young ladies just as I would my daughter and it is time for you to leave now."

mitch96

(13,883 posts)
26. " Why do people do this? "
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 09:30 AM
Feb 2020

I just don't get it... In a public place? what's the thrill? Maybe I'm old fashioned but this person needs a few fingers re arranged....
m

2naSalit

(86,501 posts)
12. That kind of crap really
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 08:41 PM
Feb 2020

triggers me. If that were me, that guy would need an ambulance by the time we got to the ground. I've had to trash a couple idiots in my life and one ended up in ICU when I was done with them.

a la izquierda

(11,791 posts)
15. Ugh, god I feel for her.
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:22 PM
Feb 2020

I've had this shit happen to me on metros or busses in various places (mostly Mexico City, to be honest, but also once in Paris). A sharp elbow or an "accidentally" misplaced heel generally gets them to fuck off.

LittleGirl

(8,282 posts)
16. What is it with men?
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 01:56 AM
Feb 2020

They see a beautiful woman and think they can touch her? We need to make men respect women as humans first and then show them how to treat women.
Not this b.s. that if it's pretty, I want to touch it. Fuck that.
These stories really trigger me and Elizabeth Smart surviving her kidnapping is one of those amazing survival stories.
I guess I'm very protective of her. shit

Chemisse

(30,806 posts)
19. I am so grateful to the Me Too Movement
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 11:58 AM
Feb 2020

for letting us all know that - when that inevitably happens to us numerous times in our lives - that it happens to virtually every other woman too.

I am not celebrating that some men can't keep their hands to themselves; I am celebrating our ability to talk about it freely.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
28. My Dentist told me it's happened to her with a patient.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 11:05 AM
Feb 2020

While she had a few sharp objects in his mouth.

MineralMan

(146,281 posts)
29. Wow!
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 11:10 AM
Feb 2020

If I'm on a plane and a woman has the seat next to me, I don't even put my elbow on the arm rest between us. I don't want anyone to feel uncomfortable sitting next to me. I'm happy to have a conversation with the person next to me, but won't initiate one, for the same reason.

On the other hand, on a flight from JFK to Heathrow, I was seated next to a young woman who was at least 30 years my junior. After a couple of hours and some conversation, she asked if she could use my shoulder as a pillow. I said "Sure," and she had her head on my shoulder for three hours while having a nap.

As a man, I recognize that many women are uncomfortable with men they don't know, and may even have been bothered by one at some point. So, I take care not to make anyone uncomfortable.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
31. I hope that applies to staring at fliers should we simply dislike the attire they wear.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:10 PM
Feb 2020

"I take care not to make anyone uncomfortable..."

I hope that applies to staring at other passengers should we simply dislike the attire they wear.

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
33. She's attractive and he's a creep.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:34 PM
Feb 2020

Summary over.

Creeps creep, I feel the laws for this should be that the victim gets financial compensation, say $10,000 for this example of unwanted groping.

A few loopholes jumped into mind ofc, and all hilarious.

"Jeff strikes again & leaves an envelope!"
"Why is everyone wearing bikinis on this flight?"

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