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Throck

(2,520 posts)
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 09:01 AM Jan 2020

China built a lab to study SARS and Ebola in Wuhan - and US biosafety experts warned in 2017 that a

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Source: Dailymail (UK)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7922379/Chinas-lab-studying-SARS-Ebola-Wuhan-outbreaks-center.html

Scientists warned in 2017 that a SARS-like virus could escape a lab set up that year in Wuhan, China, to study some of the most dangerous pathogens in the world.

Now, a SARS-like coronavirus has infected more than 800 there, spread to at least 10 other countries and killed 25 in Wuhan and nearby provinces.

China installed the first of a planned five to seven biolabs designed for maximum safety in Wuhan in 2017, for the purpose of studying the most high-risk pathogens, including the Ebola and the SARS viruses.

Tim Trevan, a Maryland biosafety consultant, told Nature that year, when the lab was on the cusp of opening, that he worried that China's culture could make the institute unsafe because 'structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important.'

Read more: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7922379/Chinas-lab-studying-SARS-Ebola-Wuhan-outbreaks-center.html



Remember Bird Flu, Swine Flu? Two in my lifetime I've lived thru.


Spanish flu..................

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China built a lab to study SARS and Ebola in Wuhan - and US biosafety experts warned in 2017 that a (Original Post) Throck Jan 2020 OP
Don't forget Faux pas Jan 2020 #1
A second story offering this hypothesis. Mike 03 Jan 2020 #2
CCN stands for Crypto Currency News muriel_volestrangler Jan 2020 #6
I use to walk thru old grave yards just to safeinOhio Jan 2020 #3
There are two old graveyards in my in-laws' town. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #5
My wife's grandfather survived the Spanish flu. Throck Jan 2020 #7
My dads mother got it and survived. safeinOhio Jan 2020 #8
I've seen a couple of documentaries where isolated towns just plain shut themselves off. Throck Jan 2020 #21
A Sensationalistic and Misleading Headline groundloop Jan 2020 #4
Why are we quoting a notorioulsy unreliable Miguelito Loveless Jan 2020 #9
The mere mention of science and the God's Will crowd is nowhere to be found bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #10
The Daily Mail? PSPS Jan 2020 #11
Daily Mail is a British tabloid and not a reliable source for anything IronLionZion Jan 2020 #12
Daily mail is questionable angrychair Jan 2020 #13
US and British intelligence agencies would probably know the truth IronLionZion Jan 2020 #14
I don't disagree angrychair Jan 2020 #16
It's certainly possible. And googling it shows it's a common but unproven theory. IronLionZion Jan 2020 #17
Some government worker making a few Yen on the side. Throck Jan 2020 #19
PETA always told us meat is murder IronLionZion Jan 2020 #20
....the plague never dies.... Toorich Jan 2020 #15
The Stand............ Throck Jan 2020 #18
After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING Omaha Steve Jan 2020 #22

Faux pas

(14,952 posts)
1. Don't forget
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 09:16 AM
Jan 2020

Hong Kong flu! That one almost killed my family.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
2. A second story offering this hypothesis.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 09:18 AM
Jan 2020

I have no idea about the credibility of the source, CCN.

Headline: Scientists Pinpoint 2 Causes Behind China’s Deadly Coronavirus – They’re Both Shocking
Link: https://www.ccn.com/scientists-pinpoint-2-causes-behind-chinas-deadly-coronavirus-theyre-both-shocking/



Cause #1: Bat Eating In Wuhan, 2019-NCoV Found In Snakes Spreading Coronavirus

Cause #2: Potential Leak From A Facility Studying The Virus

Based on the development of the virus and the studies that have emerged in recent weeks, cross-species transmission from bats or snakes to humans is a more likely cause of the Coronavirus than a possible facility leak.

Scientists are reluctant towards completely dismissing a facility leak as a potential cause of the Coronavirus outbreak because of the SARS leak in 2004.


But this article concludes by saying the bat to human transmission route is the more likely of the two theories.

If it escaped the lab, it would somehow have had to jump from an infected monkey into the snake population (?), then to bats (?)

muriel_volestrangler

(101,835 posts)
6. CCN stands for Crypto Currency News
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 09:42 AM
Jan 2020

I wouldn't say they're any more or less reliable than a random person on the internet (unless they're trying to sell you something, when they become less reliable).

safeinOhio

(33,243 posts)
3. I use to walk thru old grave yards just to
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 09:20 AM
Jan 2020

count the number of young folks that died in 1918. Lots of them.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,679 posts)
5. There are two old graveyards in my in-laws' town.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 09:37 AM
Jan 2020

As in an interred Colonel from the French and Indian Wars kind of old, and people are still interred in one of them. The number of gravestones with death dates from September 2018 to December 2018 is remarkable.

Throck

(2,520 posts)
7. My wife's grandfather survived the Spanish flu.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 09:52 AM
Jan 2020

He was a kid in an orphanage.

safeinOhio

(33,243 posts)
8. My dads mother got it and survived.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:04 AM
Jan 2020

He was 5 years old and remembered the folks next door tossing food over the fence for them as no one would come near.

Throck

(2,520 posts)
21. I've seen a couple of documentaries where isolated towns just plain shut themselves off.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 04:26 PM
Jan 2020

groundloop

(11,750 posts)
4. A Sensationalistic and Misleading Headline
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 09:21 AM
Jan 2020

Further down in the article:

But, 'at this point there's no reason to harbour suspicions' that the facility had anything to do with the outbreak, besides being responsible for the crucial genome sequencing that lets doctors diagnose it, Rutgers University microbiologist Dr Richard Ebright told DailyMail.com.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,570 posts)
9. Why are we quoting a notorioulsy unreliable
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:19 AM
Jan 2020

conspiracy-mongering site?

bucolic_frolic

(44,747 posts)
10. The mere mention of science and the God's Will crowd is nowhere to be found
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:22 AM
Jan 2020

Surely they have an explanation?

PSPS

(13,795 posts)
11. The Daily Mail?
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:41 AM
Jan 2020

IronLionZion

(46,096 posts)
12. Daily Mail is a British tabloid and not a reliable source for anything
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:53 AM
Jan 2020

short of fearing foreigners. Asian Brits are facing a lot of discrimination in the UK because of shit like this.

angrychair

(9,094 posts)
13. Daily mail is questionable
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 12:14 PM
Jan 2020

But 1+1=2 is still true.
1) There is a facility there that is specifically studying SARS-like viruses.
2) A SARS like virus outbreak occurs in the very same town/province that never had a issue, obviously, before the facility was built.

While it not conclusive and no one will likely ever have the ability to prove it one way or the other, typically the simplest answer is the most likely.

IronLionZion

(46,096 posts)
14. US and British intelligence agencies would probably know the truth
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 12:23 PM
Jan 2020

not some tabloid that posts paparazzi bikini photos of celebrities

angrychair

(9,094 posts)
16. I don't disagree
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 02:12 PM
Jan 2020

Again, the tabloid aside, the two items I stated are facts.

While my two stated points are technically circumstantial,
It's also still true that the simplest and most plain answer is typically the right one.

Otherwise, you have to believe that a SARS-like variant just happens to pop up, by coincidence, in the same town/province as a lab specifically created to study SARS viruses.
While yes its possible, it would be a hell of a bizarre coincidence.

IronLionZion

(46,096 posts)
17. It's certainly possible. And googling it shows it's a common but unproven theory.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 02:16 PM
Jan 2020

They probably test it on animals. And somehow it could have spread to animals outside the lab and people ate it.

Throck

(2,520 posts)
19. Some government worker making a few Yen on the side.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 03:27 PM
Jan 2020

Grill up some frozen specimens.

IronLionZion

(46,096 posts)
20. PETA always told us meat is murder
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 03:53 PM
Jan 2020

Toorich

(391 posts)
15. ....the plague never dies....
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 12:53 PM
Jan 2020

....or disappears for good.....it can lie dormant for years
it bides it's time.....the day would come when it would rouse up again.

The Plague-Camus

Throck

(2,520 posts)
18. The Stand............
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 03:25 PM
Jan 2020

Omaha Steve

(101,347 posts)
22. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 08:43 PM
Jan 2020

This is analysis, not LBN.

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