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Sat Jan 25, 2020, 09:04 PM

China virus toll rises to 54 dead, more than 300 new cases: govt

Source: Agence France-Presse

The number of confirmed deaths from a viral outbreak in China has risen to 54, with authorities in hard-hit Hubei province on Sunday reporting 13 more fatalities and 323 new cases.

The latest numbers from Hubei, the epicentre of the contagion, would put the nationwide total of confirmed infections at 1,610, based on figures previously released by the central government.

President Xi Jinping warned Saturday that China faced a "grave situation" as authorities raced to contain a respiratory illness that has caused the widespread abandonment of Lunar New Year celebrations nationwide and overwhelmed health facilities in Hubei.

The contagion remained centred on the Hubei provincial capital of Wuhan, which accounted for seven of the new deaths and 46 of the new confirmed cases, said the Hubei Health Commission.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-virus-toll-rises-to-54-dead-more-than-300-new-cases-govt/ar-BBZkvr5?li=BBnb7Kz

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Reply China virus toll rises to 54 dead, more than 300 new cases: govt (Original post)
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 25 OP
Roy Rolling Jan 25 #1
herding cats Jan 26 #18
OAITW r.2.0 Jan 25 #2
FirstLight Jan 25 #3
NickB79 Jan 25 #5
Warpy Jan 26 #9
FirstLight Jan 26 #13
Warpy Jan 26 #22
killaphill Jan 26 #17
FirstLight Jan 26 #20
herding cats Jan 26 #19
nocoincidences Jan 25 #4
NickB79 Jan 25 #6
cstanleytech Jan 25 #7
Javaman Jan 26 #14
LisaL Jan 26 #16
keithbvadu2 Jan 25 #8
Baclava Jan 26 #10
C Moon Jan 26 #11
Baclava Jan 26 #12
EarthFirst Jan 26 #15
Devil Child Jan 26 #21

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 09:08 PM

1. Under-reported

Some in China are saying hospitals are ill-equipped to treat affected patients, so they stay at home and sometimes die there.

They are not counted as infected (yet?).

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 12:13 PM

18. They probably never will be counted.

I read last week where several people are reportedly dying in hospitals of "lung infections" their family suspected of being the novel coronavirus, but they were never tested. Their official causes of death are simply severe pneumonia.

Although Chen had all the symptoms of the coronavirus that is spreading across China and beyond, she is not counted on the official list of those who have died as a result of the infection. Her death certificate, which her family showed to The Washington Post, reads “severe pneumonia.”

But hospital staff told her stepson, Kyle Hui, that they strongly suspected she had “that” kind of pneumonia. At the crematorium, where the workers were in hazmat suits, Chen’s body was immediately incinerated without a proper farewell, and the vehicle it arrived in was disinfected.

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There have also been other reports of people, in addition to Chen, who appear to have died in the coronavirus outbreak but are not included in the official tally.
Both of Xu Xinlei’s parents died nine days apart in Wuhan from “lung infections” that she believes were coronavirus.

Her 72-year-old mother was hospitalized in mid-December for a heart problem and developed a fever while admitted. She was moved to the respiratory department, then quarantined. She died on Jan. 12, Xu told Beijing News.

Xu’s father, who had been visiting his wife in the hospital, then grew short of breath. When a scan showed he had a lung infection, doctors told Xu to move him to one of “those” hospitals, she said, referring to the institutions treating patients with coronavirus.
He died Tuesday. Neither of them were tested for the virus. Both, like Chen, were cremated immediately.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/as-families-tell-of-pneumonia-like-deaths-in-wuhan-some-wonder-if-china-virus-count-is-too-low/2020/01/22/0f50b1e6-3d07-11ea-971f-4ce4f94494b4_story.html

This isn't unlike how things were handled during the early stages of the 2002-2003 SARS outbreak. It befits the government to keep the actual mortality rates and infection numbers artificially lower.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 09:10 PM

2. Surreal. Maybe I've watched to many vampire movies (watching the Purge now).

But i've been in China, and I really think this may be the infection of our lives.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 09:31 PM

3. I believe these numbers are underreported...

They will jump exponentially in the next few days. The sheer size of the population and density of the area under "quarantine" is just making it harder for these cases to be tested, reported, etc.

Did you see the footage of the hospital corridor that was packed with people, and there's at least 3 dead bodies on the floor...?

yeah, this is not going to end well...

Then again, I hate to say it but we need some population culling a la 1918

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Response to FirstLight (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 09:42 PM

5. It will get much worse once it reaches India

Just as densely populated, but with far fewer medical resources or government control.

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Response to FirstLight (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:28 AM

9. Of course they're underreported

because they're only counting the people with the wherewithal to go to the hospitals. Many people don't have that luxury and the "barefoot doctor" program died with Mao. So they're enjoying the same health care system we in the US have, your money or your life.

Hospitals are overwhelmed, in any case, doctors and nurses pushed to the breaking point because these people are so ill when they come in and need advanced life suppot. They're not any better equipped for this than we are.

So they're left with other measures that have had partial success on pandemics in history: cancel public gatherings, restrict travel, attempt to quarantine the sick. Unfortunately, this is absolutely the worst time of year for this to happen, and the travel ban was a bit late in coming, many people already having traveled to be with extended family for the holidays.

They are doing what they can and they're doing more than most cities would here (can you imagine the howls or protest if they tried to shut down megachurches?), so I certainly wish them success.

Although this one is killing the old rather than the young, it's still a bad one.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:15 AM

13. Just watched a documentary on the plague

They literally locked ppl in their houses.

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Response to FirstLight (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 03:59 PM

22. Yes, the wave in the 17th century

In England, they locked whole families in together if one member got sick, making sure the whole family would die. The few places in Europe that had plague hospitals in which to isolate the sick fared much better.

China seems to be doing that latter one, trying to slap up hospitals in a big hurry. History shows that will help. What they will need to fight most is fear, anyone with a cough is going to be terrified, maybe too terrified to get tested.\

China has enlisted Australia's help in developing a vaccine. Here the CDC hasn't been gutted completely, so I imagine they're working on it, also.

YouTube has some fantastic documentaries.

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Response to FirstLight (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:31 AM

17. We need some population culling?

Does that include you? And your family? These are people just like you and me, with families and dreams and aspirations. For you to assert that this is in any way a good thing and needs to happen anyway is incredibly callous and I would even venture a little bit racist. As long as it’s happening to people on the other side of the globe don’t look like me, then it’s not really that bad. Right?

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Response to killaphill (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 12:47 PM

20. Not trying to be callous

And I am fully aware that me and mine are also at risk...

Just saying that there's way too many people on the planet and it is a natural check on population...we've had population bottlenecks before...

I guess it came off as flippant, but I'm all for the planet ridding itself of us...humans are a virus

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Response to FirstLight (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 12:19 PM

19. See my post above.

There's some evidence to support your thoughts there.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2424234

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 09:39 PM

4. A Chinese nurse made a video

claiming that she has been in Hubei province treating people since the beginning and she thinks at least 90,000 have been infected.

That's a pretty stark difference from 19K, the current number.

Should we believe her? I don't know.

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Response to nocoincidences (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 09:44 PM

6. That would actually be a great thing

90K infected means the mortality rate is substantially lower, and the disease isn't as dangerous as we feared.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 09:52 PM

7. If that is the case maybe it will stop the foolishness of people comparing it to the Captain Tripps

virus from Stephen Kings novel.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:41 AM

14. If they are under reporting the infection why do you think they are

Reporting the truth about the deaths?

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Response to Javaman (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:50 AM

16. Exactly.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 10:36 PM

8. A sneeze

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:50 AM

10. Uh-oh, reports are Shanghai has been infected

Whole cities in China are being quarantined, 60 million people being told not to leave, roads being barricaded, transportation being shut down.

Dead bodies lying in the streets on twitter reports, cities being mass sprayed with disinfectants, medical facilities completely overwhelmed.

Unreal

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 02:11 AM

11. And you can bet it's 10x that.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 03:15 AM

12. Confirmed by OC Health Care Agency, Coronavirus has landed in California

A traveler from Wuhan China has been hospitalized in isolation unit

Another one confirmed in Toronto, Canada, same circumstances

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:43 AM

15. Journalists reported being detained and threatened by Chinese authorities...

China spent the crucial first days of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak arresting people who posted about it online and threatening journalists

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-information-crackdown-on-wuhan-coronavirus-2020-1

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:56 PM

21. Ban travelers from China now Mr. President

You seem to have no problems throwing counties that pose no threat to your ban list why not China who now poses a possible grave danger to our country’s security.

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