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Mon Jan 13, 2020, 12:47 AM

 

Benedict XVI and Cardinal Sarah coauthor book on celibacy, opposing the ordination of married men

Source: The American Magazine

In a move that has stunned many in Rome and is sure to give rise to serious questions far beyond the theme of the book, the emeritus pope Benedict XVI, who will be 93 in April, and Cardinal Robert Sarah, prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, have coauthored a book defending celibacy for priests of the Latin Rite church and expressing their total opposition to the ordination of married men, which was one of the recommendations approved by last October’s Synod for the Pan-Amazonian region. They perceive this opening to the ordination of married men as a great danger to the church.

The authors present themselves “as bishops” in “filial obedience to Pope Francis” who “seek the truth” in “a spirit of love of the unity of the church,” far from “the ideologies that divide” and far from “political maneuvers or power games or ideological manipulations.”

They said it is not possible “to keep quiet” after “the strange synod of the media.”

“We cannot remain silent,” they said, quoting St. Augustine.

Read more: https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2020/01/12/benedict-xvi-and-cardinal-sarah-coauthor-book-celibacy-opposing-ordination-married



Ratzinger said he would remain "hidden from the world" when he retired in 2013.

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Reply Benedict XVI and Cardinal Sarah coauthor book on celibacy, opposing the ordination of married men (Original post)
crazytown Jan 13 OP
Midnight Writer Jan 13 #1
AtheistCrusader Jan 13 #2
Canoe52 Jan 13 #3
pnwmom Jan 13 #4
B Stieg Jan 13 #5
rpannier Jan 13 #7
Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 13 #14
demigoddess Jan 13 #23
rpannier Jan 13 #6
Mc Mike Jan 13 #8
ancianita Jan 13 #9
orangecrush Jan 13 #17
lonely bird Jan 13 #10
Igel Jan 13 #35
lonely bird Jan 13 #36
Drahthaardogs Jan 15 #40
3Hotdogs Jan 13 #11
Perseus Jan 13 #20
Cirque du So-What Jan 13 #12
Perseus Jan 13 #19
ehrnst Jan 13 #22
TexasTowelie Jan 13 #32
ehrnst Jan 13 #33
47of74 Jan 13 #30
IronLionZion Jan 13 #13
Perseus Jan 13 #18
Ghost Dog Jan 13 #27
Mc Mike Jan 15 #42
NCProgressive Jan 13 #15
Perseus Jan 13 #16
Ghost Dog Jan 13 #28
Turin_C3PO Jan 13 #34
keithbvadu2 Jan 13 #21
Paula Sims Jan 13 #26
keithbvadu2 Jan 13 #29
Mc Mike Jan 15 #41
keithbvadu2 Jan 15 #43
BigDemVoter Jan 13 #24
somaticexperiencing Jan 13 #25
Bradical79 Jan 13 #31
Xolodno Jan 14 #37
Wabbajack_ Jan 14 #38
TexasBushwhacker Jan 14 #39

Response to crazytown (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 01:21 AM

1. It all goes back to St. Augustine.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 03:00 AM

2. What the fuck do these people know about pair bonding and sex?

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 03:12 AM

3. Like god really gives a rats ass that priests are celibate.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 03:18 AM

4. I wonder if the Church is headed to a schism between the followers of Francis

and whoever is Ratzinger's puppeteer.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 03:38 AM

5. Ratzinger needs to step off.

I thought the creepy pope was dead!

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Response to B Stieg (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 06:01 AM

7. The Creepy Enabler is gone -- too bad Johm Paul I died

As to the retired pontiff, you are correct, he needs to disappear -- preferably the well Ozzie Smith fell into in the Simpsons
The arch conservatives in the Catholic Church (like those at EWTN) are going to use him as a kind of anti-Pope as long as he's alive

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Response to rpannier (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 08:37 AM

14. I agree. What he should have done is go back to being a bishop, wearing a bishop's regalia.

I'm sure that Francis would have reinstated him as a cardinal, which would have been simply honorary at his age. He then should have retired to Bavaria. And kept his mouth shut.

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 12:28 PM

23. he should have gone into a monastery and never worn any

regalia in the future.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 05:58 AM

6. Ratzinger said he would remain "hidden from the world"

An arch conservative lied
Color me shocked (Burgundy of course)

***If you don't get the reference to Burgundy, you either haven't seen or forgot Hogan's Heroes***

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 06:19 AM

8. Anti-Pope.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 06:44 AM

9. Celibacy distorts spirituality and humanity. Celibacy is not a manifestation of either.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 09:12 AM

17. Exactly.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 06:55 AM

10. "Seek the truth"

Such utter agitprop nonsense. This shows simply and completely that priests, Roman or not, claim to speak for deity while advancing their power agenda. Btw, I seem to recall that the Roman church allows Episcopal priests that are married and that convert to say mass. Perhaps I am wrong about that. I also recall that Eastern rite priests can be married as well.

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Response to lonely bird (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 06:07 PM

35. If I remember correctly,

the Orthodox view is that if you're married, stay married; if not married, don't seek a wife. So if you're ordained married, you stay married; if you're single, you're celibate--that's not supposed to change.

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Response to Igel (Reply #35)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 10:00 PM

36. Yes

That is my understanding as well.

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Response to lonely bird (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:25 AM

40. You are correct. Any married Protestant pastor that converts

May remain married. The Anglican Ordinates that converted are also allowed to marry

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 07:01 AM

11. Don'tja think its better those wankers don't reproduce?

God knew what he was doing.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 09:18 AM

20. Those wankers don't have the ability to influence their own kids, but they do

influence other people's kids, they already do a lot of damage, so if a so called god exists and he/she was responsible for it, big mistake god! Maybe a sign that god is just an invention of man?

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 07:26 AM

12. My root cause analysis on reason for clerical celibacy

Lust for accumulation of wealth by the church. Married clergy generate offspring who inherit land and wealth. Unmarried clergy leave everything to the church. There's also the possibility of bishops & cardinals - perhaps even pope - becoming hereditary titles. Celibate clergy avoids all that.

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 09:15 AM

19. Rules of inheritance must remain the same

After all, lands and properties acquired by clergymen are not their actual property, they come from donations and thus are not personal belonging but instead are belongings to the church which in turn have accumulated obscene amounts of money.

The best solution is to close all religions.

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Response to Perseus (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 12:12 PM

22. What do you mean when you say "close all religions?"

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #22)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 05:29 PM

32. +1

I don't want my (or anyone else's) first amendment rights denied or infringed upon.

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Response to Perseus (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 05:34 PM

33. Hello?

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 03:23 PM

30. Rodrigo Borgia was supposed to be celibate

We all know how well he followed that rule.

If he could have he would have turned the Papacy into a hereditary monarchy.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 08:10 AM

13. They should ordain women

many women hear the calling for the priesthood and it's disgusting for the patriarchy to think that's somehow less authentic than for men. There is a shortage of priests in many areas.

Oh well, the protestants have women and married pastors, so they might be on to something.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 09:13 AM

18. Its not going to happen, they are the biggest misogynists

Women, to them, are a subclass of the human race.

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Response to Perseus (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 02:32 PM

27. Can eg. Wiccan priestesses be in marriage-type

relationships?

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:24 AM

42. They should immediately promote 'sisters', to 'mothers', and give them co-equal sacramental duties.

And they should be allowed to get married.

Or alternatively, they can keep up their decades long whining about lack of 'vocations' among Catholics, and about how there aren't enough ordained clergy to serve the faithful.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 09:11 AM

15. Going against biology

Celibacy is not natural

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 09:12 AM

16. Does anyone know if St. Augustine was gay?

Why do people still believe in religion? I don't understand it. The worst part is they treat priests like if they were semi-gods, leave their kids at their care and then they are abused. Of course that not all priests are pedophiles, but a good number of them are either pedophiles or gay and the only way to end that is by allowing them to marry, or better yet, close all religions.

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Response to Perseus (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 02:35 PM

28. St. Augustine described himself as having been

quite a 'playboy' before 'seeing the light'.

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Response to Perseus (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 06:00 PM

34. Close all religions?

We have the 1st amendment in this country and for good reason.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 09:21 AM

21. "of the Latin Rite church"

"of the Latin Rite church"

How many versions of the 'church' are they considering?

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 02:08 PM

26. The Eastern (Byzantine) rite church allows it

And our priests are doing just fine with families and lives and thriving churches (many). Hlad they are sticking to the Latin Rite.

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Response to Paula Sims (Reply #26)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 03:17 PM

29. Yep. And the Catholic church DOES have some married priests.

And the Catholic church DOES have some married priests.

Usually Episcopalian priests who convert over.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:18 AM

41. Maronites, in the West Syriac rite, 4th biggest group of Roman Catholics.

There are 6 Rites in the RC church. Alexandrian, Armenian, Byzantine, East Syriac, Latin, West Syriac. Particular churches within the 6 rites are declared to be 'sui iuris', the pope has the final say, but the churches in the different rites have their own hierarchies with authority over the particulars of their faith and structure of the church, internally.

I can't link it with this computer, but the wiki heading is 'Catholic_particular_churches_and_liturgical_rites'.

Clerical celibacy is not strictly required for Maronite priests outside of North America. Due to a long term understanding with their Latin counterparts in North America, Maronite priests in that area have traditionally remained celibate.

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #41)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:05 AM

43. Thanks

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 12:30 PM

24. I thought that old fascist had 'retired'?

He needs to shut his pie hole, because he is no longer the frigging pope. . .

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 01:02 PM

25. Guess he couldn't hang with the relatively good press of "Two Popes"!!!!!

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 04:47 PM

31. Yet protecting child rapists is ok.

The Catholic Church is a fucked up institution.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 05:24 PM

37. Apostle Peter was married.....

....just say'in.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 06:20 PM

38. There would be fewer pedos if they let married men in

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 09:05 PM

39. I don't think Benedict co-authored anything n/t

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