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Sat Jan 11, 2020, 02:57 PM

Furor in Iran and Abroad After Tehran Admits Downing Ukrainian Jetliner

Source: NYT

By Anton Troianovski, Andrew E. Kramer and Farnaz Fassihi
Jan. 11, 2020
Updated 2:23 p.m. ET

KYIV, Ukraine — Iran’s stunning admission that its forces errantly downed a Ukrainian jetliner — reversing three days of denial — did little to quell growing fury inside the country and beyond on Saturday as the deadly tragedy turned into a volatile political crisis for Tehran’s leaders and overshadowed their struggle with the United States.

Ukrainian officials criticized Iran’s conduct, suggesting that the Iranians would not have admitted responsibility if investigators from Ukraine had not found evidence of a missile strike in the wreckage of the crash, which killed all 176 people aboard.

Protests erupted in Tehran and other Iranian cities as dumbfounded citizens found a new reason to mistrust Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader and other officials. Protest videos even showed some shouting “Khamenei is a murderer!” and anti-riot police tear-gassing violent demonstrators.

President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, in his first reaction to Iran’s announcement, said his country would “insist on a full admission of guilt” by Tehran.

Contradictions and miscues complicated Iran’s message even as it took responsibility for the disaster. Iran’s military, in its initial admission early Saturday, said the flight’s crew had taken a sharp, unexpected turn that brought it near a sensitive military base — an assertion that was immediately disputed by the Ukrainians.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/11/world/middleeast/furor-in-iran-and-abroad-after-tehran-admits-downing-ukrainian-jetliner.html



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Reply Furor in Iran and Abroad After Tehran Admits Downing Ukrainian Jetliner (Original post)
Dennis Donovan Jan 11 OP
Traildogbob Jan 11 #1
SWBTATTReg Jan 11 #2
Dennis Donovan Jan 11 #13
rickyhall Jan 11 #3
BadGimp Jan 11 #4
EX500rider Jan 11 #5
Sapient Donkey Jan 11 #6
Dennis Donovan Jan 11 #7
sarisataka Jan 11 #12
EX500rider Jan 11 #14
hack89 Jan 11 #15
IronLionZion Jan 13 #23
dware Jan 13 #24
dware Jan 13 #25
NCProgressive Jan 11 #8
Dennis Donovan Jan 11 #10
NCProgressive Jan 11 #16
obamanut2012 Jan 12 #21
dware Jan 12 #22
patphil Jan 11 #9
Dennis Donovan Jan 11 #11
Maxheader Jan 11 #17
Dennis Donovan Jan 11 #18
Dennis Donovan Jan 11 #19
Aussie105 Jan 11 #20
itcfish Jan 13 #26

Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 03:06 PM

1. Iran, if you are listening

We welcome you do divert some of that rage towards Sean Hannity who was on air prior to the strike announcing American war plans were inbound to hit targets. You will be seen as liberators.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 03:25 PM

2. A massive, bulky passenger plane taking a sharp, unexpected turn? Yeah, right. These planes ...

aren't military aircraft nor easy to maneuver or make turns rapidly. Unbelievable.

But, part of the blames goes to rump for starting the whole mess with his irresponsible and not justified to our satisfaction the rationale for killing the Iranian general w/ a drone attack.

My heart goes out to the victims of this horrible, tragic event. The blame we all know who it belongs to.

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Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 06:08 PM

13. They're as bad at lying as the Trump admin is about why they whacked Soleimani n/t

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 03:55 PM

3. The IMPOTUS is ultimately responsible along with that dick at Fox Lies

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 05:11 PM

4. Any chance the plane was masked to appear as a cruise missle?

asking for a friend...

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Response to BadGimp (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 05:13 PM

5. Sure....

....if you know any cruise missiles that fly climbing at 8,000 ft and 270 knots while lit up like a Christmas tree on the flight path out of a civilian airport...otherwise, no.

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Response to BadGimp (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 05:24 PM

6. How would that work?

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Response to BadGimp (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 05:25 PM

7. No. This is merely a tragic accident. n/t

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Response to BadGimp (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 06:08 PM

12. Assuming the question is asked in good faith

Tell your friend no, there is no chance it appeared as a cruise missile.

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Response to BadGimp (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 06:20 PM

14. Tell your friend...

US cruise missiles fly below 150ft at around 480 kts.....not 8,000ft at 270knts in a climb.

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Response to BadGimp (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 06:51 PM

15. Cruise missiles are really small compared to airliners - so no. Nt

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Response to BadGimp (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 08:16 AM

23. A festering pile of shit was masked to appear as a president

Any American cruise missile would come from a ship in the Persian Gulf, not from Tehran's own damn airport. Some idiot made a catastrophic mistake and should be prosecuted for it.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 09:17 AM

24. Also, cruise missiles

are not air to air, they're air to ground.

And you are right, the idiot that ordered the launch should be prosecuted, if he's not already dead.

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Response to BadGimp (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 09:19 AM

25. No chance at all.

Also, a cruise missile is air to ground, not air to air.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 05:47 PM

8. Americans downed an Iranian plane in the 80s

and there was no furor. The excuse was - a gunfight was going on.

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Response to NCProgressive (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 05:55 PM

10. There was a great deal of furor in Iran over it. n/t

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 07:04 PM

16. But not in the rest of the world

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Response to NCProgressive (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 01:50 PM

21. Absolutely not true -- it was all over the news, all over the world

And furor from many quarters.

WRONG.

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Response to NCProgressive (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 07:28 PM

22. Not true at all,

it was heard all over the world, don't know where you were at the time, but unless you were under a rock, then you should have heard about it.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 05:51 PM

9. War has a nasty habit of creating havoc, and unintended consequences.

I hope both nations demonstrate restraint in the light of this terrible mistake.

Perhaps if Trump had not chosen to trash the treaty with Iran and reimpose economic sanctions it wouldn't have gotten to this point.
Perhaps if Iran had not chosen to support terrorist groups outside their borders it wouldn't have gotten to this point.
Unfortunately both countries have a lot to be blamed for here.

And now we have 176 dead. War is hell.

Patrick Phillips

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 06:02 PM

11. Live tweets from Farnaz Fassihi in Tehran

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 07:55 PM

17. Iran, you realize that..



tourism there will probably take a hit..Pity for the crash victims and familys...

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #18)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 09:04 PM

19. Protests continue to grow - tear gas being used against protesters




(previous post deleted due to deleted tweet)

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 09:30 PM

20. People just doing their job . . .

Trump, distracting from impeachment.

Hannity, scare mongering with vague stories of B52 s in the air, heading for Iran.

Aircraft controllers, trying to keep flights to a schedule.

A SAM operator, with a twitchy trigger finger.

Airline passengers, trusting the airline, the controllers, the alert levels.

All just doing their own thing.

End result? Anyone mention 'collateral damage'?

Not the first time this scenario has played out. Last time, a BUK operator mistook a commercial airliner for a Russian transport plane.



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Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 11:22 AM

26. They would have been more

Believable if they said, we don't know yet what happened, we are still investigating. How difficult would that have been?

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