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Thu Jan 9, 2020, 12:03 PM

Iranian Missile System Shot Down Ukraine Flight, Probably by Mistake, Sources Say

Source: Newsweek

The Ukrainian flight that crashed just outside the Iranian capital of Tehran was struck by an anti-aircraft missile system, a Pentagon official, a senior U.S. intelligence official and an Iraqi intelligence official told Newsweek.

Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752, a Boeing 737–800 en route from Tehran Imam Khomeini International Airpot to Kyiv's Boryspil International Airport, stopped transmitting data Tuesday just minutes after takeoff and not long after Iran launched missiles at military bases housing U.S. and allied forces in neighboring Iraq. The aircraft is believed to have been struck by a Russia-built Tor-M1 surface-to-air missile system, known to NATO as Gauntlet, the three officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly on the matter, told Newsweek.

One Pentagon and one U.S senior intelligence official told Newsweek that the Pentagon's assessment is that the incident was accidental. Iran's anti-aircraft were likely active following the country's missile attack, which came in response to the U.S. killing last week of Revolutionary Guard Quds Force commander Major General Qassem Soleimani, sources said.

U.S. Central Command declined to comment on the matter when contacted by Newsweek. No reply was returned from the National Security Council or State Department.

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/iranians-shot-down-ukraine-flight-mistake-sources-1481313

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PunkinPi Jan 9 OP
pangaia Jan 9 #1
RockRaven Jan 9 #2
PunkinPi Jan 9 #4
dhill926 Jan 9 #5
duforsure Jan 9 #11
SunSeeker Jan 9 #3
llmart Jan 9 #6
LiberalArkie Jan 9 #27
Javaman Jan 9 #7
Devil Child Jan 9 #18
Javaman Jan 9 #20
Sgent Jan 9 #23
James48 Jan 9 #8
Marthe48 Jan 9 #9
Scalded Nun Jan 9 #10
jcmaine72 Jan 9 #12
MarcA Jan 9 #13
oldsoftie Jan 9 #14
keithbvadu2 Jan 9 #15
Maxheader Jan 9 #16
Miguelito Loveless Jan 9 #17
Devil Child Jan 9 #19
machI Jan 9 #24
MosheFeingold Jan 9 #25
Baclava Jan 9 #21
Kid Berwyn Jan 9 #22
Kurt V. Jan 9 #26
rownesheck Jan 9 #28
Demonaut Jan 10 #29
captain jack Jan 10 #30
NCProgressive Jan 10 #31

Response to PunkinPi (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 12:09 PM

1. Uh huh.........



9...8....7...

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Response to PunkinPi (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 12:12 PM

2. If true, those 180 people (63 Canadian) are dead because of Trump. Full stop.

If he had not assassinated Soleimani, that plane would not have been shot down. Period. There is a direct causal link. Canada should sanction Trump and Trump admin officials personally.

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 12:21 PM

4. Indeed, Trump has blood on his hands. nt

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 12:29 PM

5. yep...

will any of our media people connect the dots? Nope...

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 12:50 PM

11. Absolutely!

Trump started this based on a lie there was an imminent threat when they knew there wasn't. Trump assassinated the General to change the news cycles away from his being impeached and for personal political gains , not for a national security threat. The liar is responsible that happened . The world knows it to , and should now hold every republucan accountable by gathering dirt on all of them and exposing them , or this will only escalate, and get much worse, or trump has got to go , now , for this and everything he's doing. If not every corrupt republican needs to be voted out of office allowing this to happen.

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Response to PunkinPi (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 12:18 PM

3. Yes, that's what a lot of people suspected. Horrific.

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Response to PunkinPi (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 12:31 PM

6. Accidental?

Yeah, right.

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Response to llmart (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 06:41 PM

27. I doubt that the missile launching software even checks to see if something is in the flight

path of the missile. I can't see why they would.

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Response to PunkinPi (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 12:38 PM

7. and Iran said the plane was on fire and tried to return.

how about we all get a chance to look at the recorders then decide what happened.

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Response to Javaman (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 02:19 PM

18. Iran stated they will not release them n/t

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 02:41 PM

20. then we will never know. it's just a game who has the bigger bullshit spewer now. nt

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Response to Javaman (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 06:20 PM

23. Iran is the one chosing

to violate treaty (ICAO) obligations. In my mind that means they believe whatever is on those memory cards will hurt them more.

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Response to PunkinPi (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 12:40 PM

8. Trump is responsible.

War crime.

Needs to be another article of impeachment.

Picture of a Tor M1 anti-aircraft system:
http://www.military-today.com/missiles/tor.htm





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Response to PunkinPi (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 12:42 PM

9. Students on board, returning to study

in other countries after a break. Their families got to see their beloved children one last time. What heartache for them. Ft

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Response to PunkinPi (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 12:49 PM

10. Possible, but also possible that someone we back shot it down just to fan flames.

I would not put anything past Trump and his lackeys, and why should anyone believe anything he says? He touts our intelligence after declaring our intelligence agencies can't be trusted to tell the truth? The US has no credibility on anything anymore. We do, though, own assholery.

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Response to PunkinPi (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 01:02 PM

12. Dotard's act of war put the Iranian regime under extreme stress

Bad things inevitably happen when a nation is placed on high alert as a result of their leaders being murdered and their national cultural sites threatened with annihilation by other (so-called) leaders. Trump created and nurtured the tense environment this tragedy occurred in. He's responsible for this.

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Response to PunkinPi (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 01:04 PM

13. For some of the actors, Chaos and Confusion are the Strategy

if not the Goal itself.

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Response to PunkinPi (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 01:21 PM

14. Figured that from the start when they refused to turn over the black boxes.

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Response to PunkinPi (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 01:38 PM

15. Probably?

Probably?

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Response to PunkinPi (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 01:41 PM

16. God, what a mess..



Those poor passengers...

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Response to PunkinPi (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 02:08 PM

17. I was afraid of that...

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Response to PunkinPi (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 02:26 PM

19. Iranians prove more effective at killing themselves than the US

Stampedes and shooting down their own civilian aviation. Pathetic.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 06:24 PM

24. Look for the root cause.

It is Trump.

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Response to machI (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 06:30 PM

25. Technically

He’s a contributing cause.

Root cause was trying to take over our embassy and repeat Tehran 1979.


(Note this doesn’t let trump off the hook. Just using the word correctly.)

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Response to PunkinPi (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 03:23 PM

21. Canadian PM: "We have Intel that Iran shot down plane"

Ukraine has investigators on the ground, I imagine Canada will be sending theirs too

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Response to PunkinPi (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 06:03 PM

22. Why THIS plane?

It took off from Iran’s busiest airport, Ukrainian flight filled with people heading to Canada.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 06:37 PM

26. it wouldn't matter what plane, if it was an accident. if it wasn't. .. bc it had Iranian students

on board. the future of the country

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Response to PunkinPi (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 06:42 PM

28. Allow my tinfoil hat moment.

Putin was in Iran. Russia and Iran are friends. Putin hates Ukraine. Ukrainian airliner shot down. Hope I'm wrong.

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Response to PunkinPi (Original post)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 01:36 AM

29. missile system or humans

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Response to PunkinPi (Original post)

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 12:43 PM

31. This is extremely sad

Trump has blood on his hands.

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