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Tue Dec 10, 2019, 09:36 AM

New England Patriots admit to inappropriately filming the sideline and field at their next opponent'

Source: Cnn



The New England Patriots are once again embroiled in controversy.
This time, they've been accused of recording the Cincinnati Bengals sideline during the team's game against the Cleveland Browns Sunday. ESPN was first to report on the story. The Bengals are due to play the Patriots Sunday.

"We are aware of the incident, and we are aware it is being investigated by NFL Security," the Bengals said in a statement to CNN Sports. "We will have no further comment."
The Patriots organization released a statement saying its video team was shooting a behind-the-scenes feature on the Patriots scouting staff at FirstEnergy Stadium for a series called "Do Your Job."

The team said it acknowledges that the production crew "unknowingly violated a league policy by filming the field and sideline from the press box."
"The sole purpose of the filming was to provide an illustration of an advance scout at work on the road," the statement read. "There was no intention of using the footage for any other purpose."
The team added that the production crew was "independent of our football operation."
Bengals head coach Zac Taylor was asked by a reporter about the rumors around the incident Monday. He said he was aware of the incident but didn't offer further comment.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/10/us/new-england-patriots-bengals-accusations-recording-spt-trnd/index.html




Brady and the owner...kraft...lurve the yellow haired traitor...shoe lickers of the winger elite...both..

Pats were investigated on something like this before...A crooked organization...kraft should be made to
sell the team like the west coast billionaire racist was made to sell his nba team...

Brady ordered the pressure altered in the footballs during the playoffs one year...The old man got caught
with hookers awhile back...

Do I have to draw a picture for you here? These guys are typical of winger ethics...they have none...

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Reply New England Patriots admit to inappropriately filming the sideline and field at their next opponent' (Original post)
Maxheader Dec 10 OP
fleur-de-lisa Dec 10 #1
iluvtennis Dec 10 #16
DENVERPOPS Dec 10 #18
Haggis for Breakfast Dec 10 #46
Yeehah Dec 11 #49
Botany Dec 10 #2
dalton99a Dec 10 #3
Botany Dec 10 #6
Maxheader Dec 10 #44
maxsolomon Dec 10 #28
aggiesal Dec 10 #33
BadgerKid Dec 10 #4
milestogo Dec 10 #5
Raven123 Dec 10 #7
Calista241 Dec 11 #50
redstateblues Dec 10 #8
BirdandSquirrel Dec 10 #9
cojoel Dec 10 #11
FakeNoose Dec 10 #20
BirdandSquirrel Dec 10 #36
FakeNoose Dec 10 #43
SterlingPound Dec 10 #26
BirdandSquirrel Dec 10 #34
DENVERPOPS Dec 10 #29
stopbush Dec 11 #55
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heckles65 Dec 10 #13
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aggiesal Dec 10 #25
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CincyDem Dec 10 #37
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Polybius Dec 10 #38
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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 09:38 AM

1. "Unknowingly" my ass. The Cheatriots are at it again.

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Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:50 AM

16. + agree. nt

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Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:10 PM

18. Agreed

Must be Republicans......If they don't cheat, they can't win.......

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Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 09:05 PM

46. Can these turds win a game if they DON'T CHEAT ??

I cannot recall any NFL team ever being so constantly caught at cheating.

I never believed Brady's story about the under-inflated balls. Some opposing tackle needs to under-flate his balls.

I also remember that their coach got caught employing lip-readers to know what the other coaches were discussing during the games.

Football - no longer a game, just a BIG MONEY enterprise. Cheat, lie, steal, just as long as you win. Sound familiar ?

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Response to fleur-de-lisa (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 09:27 AM

49. Yep

Got caught again.

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 09:47 AM

3. Yep.

To confirm something was dramatically different in New England, starting in 2007 and running through the present, I compared the 2000Ė06 time period (when the Patriots won all of their Super Bowls) with the 2007Ė2014 time period. The beauty of data is that results speak for themselves:



This chart is jaw-dropping, and the visual perfectly depicts what happened. From a more technical perspective, John Candido, a data scientist at ZestFinance who is a colleague of mine over at the NFLproject.com website and was also involved in the development of this research, comments:

Based on the assumption that plays per fumble follow a normal distribution, youíd expect to see, according to random fluctuation, the results that the Patriots have gotten since 2007 once in 5,842 instances.

Which in laymanís terms means that this result only being a coincidence is like winning a raffle where you have a 0.0001711874 probability to win. In other words, itís very unlikely that results this abnormal are only due to the endogenous nature of the game.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 09:56 AM

6. Bell Belichick is a very good coach but also a cheater too.

Jamming the head sets for the other team's QBs
high speed video and computer work to know what the other team's offensive and defense was going to be run
going from being fumbling once every 30 to 40 times (league average) to one year once every 100 times
after they got to "handle their own game balls"
Tom Brady's cell phone being ground up when the league wanted to see it


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Response to Botany (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 05:31 PM

44. The year the pats almost went undefeated...


I don't remember the team they lost to but belichick was so pissed...he ran out on the field with time left to
shake the opposing coaches hand...The announcers were really flabbergasted at the lack of sportsmanship..

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:03 PM

28. I'm not sure I read those charts correctly.

Their fumble rate went way down? Or their fumble takeaways went way up?

They don't need to cheat to beat the Bengals. The Bengals SUUUUUCCCKKKK.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:48 PM

33. I would love to see the numbers after 2014 ...

This would definitely show that the Patriots deflated the football.
Not that these graphs don't already show that.

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 09:48 AM

4. What's to stop fans from submitting video?

It just seems this is an area that's hard to regulate.

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 09:51 AM

5. Cheaters and Losers.

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 09:56 AM

7. Time to penalize these guys by benching a few key players - let Cincy choose 3

Until they have to pay a price that hurts, they wonít stop.

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Response to Raven123 (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 09:44 AM

50. I doubt that will be a solution.

Fans show up to see Tom Brady play. He's the reason some of them fork out money to enter the stadium. The Patriots would say this is punishing the fans, and they'd be mostly right.

As an Atlanta Falcons fan, fuck the Patriots.

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:01 AM

8. Unknowingly? I call BS

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:07 AM

9. At All Levels Of Sports

Up to the professional ranks, teams caught cheating to gain a competitive advantage, are forced to forfeit any and all games in which the transgressions occurred.

That said, the Bungles should be awarded this game by the traditional 2-0 forfeit score.

Why is it that only 1 team has ever been caught cheating, and now that team has been caught 3 times? Could it be that the NFL wants that team to win at all costs, and is willing to look the other way to insure a preferred outcome?

Time for Kraft to be forced to sell, and ole' Cheatin' Bill to be kicked out of the league.

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Response to BirdandSquirrel (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:30 AM

11. In addition

The high level executives and GM should be banned from the league as well.

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Response to BirdandSquirrel (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:23 PM

20. Yep and force Tom Brady into retirement too

He's had his day, and the ball deflation trick is on him too. That happened against the Steelers in a playoff game, if I recall.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #20)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:57 PM

36. Actually

It was against the Indianapolis Colts.

As a longtime Pittsburgh Steelers fan, I am particularly annoyed by Ole' Cheating Bill and his underhanded tactics. Practically every single time that we (The Steelers) play against those cheating bastards, the NFL has to make a new rule to uphold at least one call that goes against us (The Steelers), allowing the Cheaters to win a game that they would otherwise lose.

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Response to BirdandSquirrel (Reply #36)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 05:24 PM

43. Yep I stand corrected!

The Steelers have been on the receiving end of Patriots' crap for so long, that I forget they do it to other teams too.

Thanks for the reminder!


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Response to BirdandSquirrel (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:54 PM

26. Why is it that only 1 team has ever been caught cheating, and now that team has been caught 3 times?

that sounds like the gop

nixon
regan
trump

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Response to SterlingPound (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:52 PM

34. LOL

You left off that list the biggest cheater short of Mango Mussolini:

The Village Idiot.

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Response to BirdandSquirrel (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:05 PM

29. I am a firm believer

that all pro sports are rigged. I grew up knowing that prize boxing was fixed. Then I began to see things in the other pro sports.

No one seems to remember in 1997? when the NHL had their lockout.....It seems that the top six professional hockey refs were caught fixing games and fired?? It seems someone??? was paying them to throw games whenever they played the dynasty teams, Avalanche and Redwings. The southern & newer teams were not getting much attendance, so they wanted to create a situation that they were winning more games than they had been, to increase the number of fans in the newer southern U.S. teams......

Sickening.

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #29)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 10:23 AM

55. I remember the Hagler/Leonard fight.

The local bookie came into the restaurant I was working in Manhattan and announced that the fix was in, and that anyone wanting to make a ton of $ should put it on Sugar Ray. Of course, we all scoffed because we thought Leonard didn't stand a chance.

The rest is sports (rigged) history.

Back in the pre-replay 80s, I had a sports broadcaster in NYC tell me that about 20% of NFL games were fixed. He said it was never a high-profile game, but rather a game out in the boonies where one team winning would help the top-level teams stay in the hunt. He said it was the refs who made it happen, usually by calling questionable penalties. ďYou can see the entire bench deflate on the team being targeted - they know they canít win.Ē Penalties like holding can be called on every play, so when one team or one player gets multiple calls itís fishy.

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:08 AM

10. Again? Fool me once..........

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:36 AM

12. Kraft just loves...

using such video when it's to his benefit, but when it shows him being 'serviced' at the Orchids of Asia....not so much.

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:43 AM

13. What's the big stink about this?

I always knew a little bit of espionage was part of sports.

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Response to heckles65 (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:35 PM

23. But getting caught is also part of sports.

The Pats cheat and get caught. If they donít want to get punished then they should avoid getting busted.

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Response to heckles65 (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:52 PM

35. that's your take

but the NFL has a different one. Apparently the league thinks "a little bit of espionage" is against the rules, and thus cheating.

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:10 AM

14. Patriots have ALWAYS been a dirty team

Spygate in 2007, Deflategate in 2015, and now this. They are a bunch of cheaters PERIOD.

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Response to Joe Nation (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:21 PM

19. 1982 Snow Plow Game

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Response to Joe Nation (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:52 PM

25. Snow Plow game - cheating ...

Deflategate - cheating.

Spygate - My opinion from the start has always been, that if a team is signaling their plays openly, then the other team should be allowed to steal them. This happens in baseball all the time. Managers, coaches and catchers are constantly hand signalling plays to other players and they get stolen all the time.

When football teams are signalling in their plays from the sideline, I'd steal them too. That's why teams employ extravagant signal methods like using multiple people hand signalling or multiple people using signs to signal their play or a combination of both.
Now, if teams tapped into the Head Coach, Offensive/Defensive coordinators or Quarterback & Defensive players headset, I would definitely consider that cheating. But that's not what the Patriots did. They stole the hand signals.

So stealing signaled plays, I see no problem with that.

As far as this latest incident, Scott Van Pelt of ESPN reported that the camera crew came from the weekly Patriots TV show. They requested and received permission, from the Bengals, to set up a camera in the Pressbox. When the sideline camera was noticed, they were asked to leave which they did. The football operations has nothing to do with the weekly TV show and vice-versa. I don't believe that the Patriots would risk this for a 1-12 Bengals team.

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Response to Joe Nation (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 08:00 AM

48. Dont forget the "Tuck rule", rhyming with what it REALLY was.

That was a fumble. And i doubt that call has ever been made again

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:23 AM

15. It's the Bengals lol

Imagine being perennial Super Bowl contenders and breaking the rules to get an edge over The Bengals. It's just pathetic.

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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:25 PM

22. I agree, Although they've cheated in the past ...

I don't believe they'd risk this over a 1-12 Bengals team.

Last night after the game, Scott Van Pelt described what had happened.
The weekly Patriots TV show requested permission from the Bengals to set up
a camera in the press box, for their weekly show, which the received.
They also had a sideline camera, and when that was noticed, they were asked
to leave which they also did.

Football operations has nothing to do with the weekly TV show so they knew
absolutely nothing about it.

To say they got caught cheating again, is just another excuse to blame the
Patriots on something they did commit.

I don't have skin in this team, I'm a Bears fan 1st and a Niners fan 2nd.

This to me, is just Patriots haters being Patriots haters!

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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 02:09 PM

37. Hey now...I resemble that remark. Lol

You from around here? Yer accent donít sound local.

We get to talk about our pathetic incompetent high school team masquerading as an nfl team. But you. You sound like yer from outta town. When an outta towner says it. Dems fightin words.

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:50 AM

17. Saw a tweet from a sports pundit claiming in the original Spygate one fact the NFL uncovered was

that the Patriots had pre-planned excuses if they ever got caught filming, including that they were filming footage for team promotional videos -- exactly their explanation today.

Maybe that's a coincidence. But it LOOKS like a pattern of rule-breaking.

If the NFL wants casual fans to believe that the games are not rigged/fixed via cheating -- and the gambling industry very much wants casual fans to believe that, and the NFL wants to grow their revenue from gambling -- then they have to drop the hammer on the Patriots. Believing the Patriots excuses and levying no or little punishment is corrosive to the notion that the game/league is fair.

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:41 PM

32. Good catch - the preplanned thing.

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:24 PM

21. An Olympian loses their medals for cheating.

Perhaps those Lombardi Trophies should be locked in Canton in a cheater section.

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 12:49 PM

24. They had to spy on the worst team in the league

Let that sink in.

So glad they lost to KC.

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Response to tenderfoot (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 07:54 AM

47. And kind of fitting that a missed TD call played a huge part.

especially since no challenges were left because of Bilichick.

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:00 PM

27. Uh-huh:

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:05 PM

30. So the Patriots behave like Republicans. How fitting.

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 01:29 PM

31. Cheaters cheat , and liars lie.

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 03:20 PM

38. Suspend the entire organization from participating in any games next season

The rest of the NFL would support this as well.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #38)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 09:56 AM

53. No participation in the playoffs or super bowl for 3 years.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #53)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 09:43 PM

57. That works for me

Jets fan here.

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 03:22 PM

39. One of the most satisfying things I have done

in my life is to totally give up on all professional sports, and most college sports, as well. I am in my 60s and have seen a steady decline in the ethics, across the board. Not to mention the disappointment that rooting for a team made up of overpaid egoists often brings.

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Response to BillyBobBrilliant (Reply #39)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 04:38 PM

42. At least in Soccer, the performance of taking a dive approaches that of dance...

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Response to BillyBobBrilliant (Reply #39)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 08:20 PM

45. I'm with you

I watched a pro basketball game for a few minutes last week after missing seeing one for like fifty years. After playing ball in High School I could not believe what I was seeing.

Every player was "Palming" the ball, every player taking at least one extra "step" after holding the ball.....

I guess people just gradually learn to accept it, including the refs...........

No wonder there are so many records that have fallen, there are so many changes in rules (or new rules) that definitely have the effect of a higher score, or time......

Great example is the Patriots in the years leading up to the deflate-gate game......the Patriots lobbied and WON to allow each team to have their "own" balls when they were in possession......No longer both teams using the same balls throughout the game....

Some of the most famous ball players have been rumored to "shave points" to keep within the betting line of Vegas.....LOL

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 03:28 PM

40. A bunch of lying cheaters. They were allowed to get away with it, and do it with no shame.

 

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 04:37 PM

41. I'd have to care about American Football to be outraged,,,,,

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 09:45 AM

51. did they always cheat?

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 09:55 AM

52. They represent their boss who loves the cheater in chief.

They need to do something about them right away. While the NFL spends its time trying to block a player from making a living due to a legal protest, one of their teams continues to cheat to win.

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 10:00 AM

54. Such a huge NOTHING BURGER

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Response to Maxheader (Original post)

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 11:32 AM

56. Just like Trump....

Literally do whatever the fuck they want and then blow it off.

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