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Fri Dec 6, 2019, 02:57 PM

Trump has filed emergency application at Supreme Court seeking to prevent financial docs held by Deu

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JUST IN: Trump has filed emergency application at Supreme Court seeking to prevent financial docs held by Deutsche Bank and Capital One from being handed over to congressional committees

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I'll look for a news article about this.

YesMalarkeyHat Retweeted

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The 2d Circuit decision: "The Committees’ interests in pursuing their constitutional legislative function is far more significant than ...avoiding the risk of a Chief Executive’s distraction arising from disclosure of documents reflecting his private financial transactions."


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Reply Trump has filed emergency application at Supreme Court seeking to prevent financial docs held by Deu (Original post)
mahatmakanejeeves Dec 6 OP
Tiggeroshii Dec 6 #1
FiveGoodMen Dec 6 #39
Tiggeroshii Dec 6 #41
FiveGoodMen Dec 6 #42
Tiggeroshii Dec 6 #45
ancianita Dec 6 #2
Miguelito Loveless Dec 6 #5
ancianita Dec 6 #16
DENVERPOPS Dec 6 #6
cstanleytech Dec 6 #23
ancianita Dec 6 #25
Texin Dec 6 #29
ancianita Dec 6 #34
NewJeffCT Dec 6 #31
ancianita Dec 6 #38
onenote Dec 6 #49
C Moon Dec 6 #3
ToxMarz Dec 6 #13
ancianita Dec 6 #44
mahatmakanejeeves Dec 6 #4
politicaljunkie41910 Dec 6 #10
Wellstone ruled Dec 6 #7
FiveGoodMen Dec 6 #40
Wellstone ruled Dec 6 #66
KPN Dec 6 #8
jmowreader Dec 6 #46
Name removed Dec 6 #9
ancianita Dec 6 #17
secondwind Dec 6 #27
Judi Lynn Dec 6 #11
mahatmakanejeeves Dec 6 #22
AJT Dec 6 #54
global1 Dec 6 #12
bluestarone Dec 6 #14
lagomorph777 Dec 6 #15
cstanleytech Dec 6 #26
lagomorph777 Dec 6 #43
jmowreader Dec 6 #48
BernieBabies Dec 6 #58
ck4829 Dec 8 #72
ClearSky24 Dec 6 #18
mahatmakanejeeves Dec 6 #20
Tiggeroshii Dec 6 #21
Tiggeroshii Dec 6 #19
onenote Dec 6 #50
Tiggeroshii Dec 6 #53
onenote Dec 6 #55
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ck4829 Dec 8 #73
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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 02:59 PM

1. So if no stay is put in place, how long do they have before they can have actual penalties put on

them?

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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:45 PM

39. "Can have" or "will have"?

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #39)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:46 PM

41. Either?

But let's go with "will."

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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #41)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:48 PM

42. I'm just saying that even now, I'm not sure the Dems will be as aggressive as is warranted

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #42)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:50 PM

45. I imagine a contempt of court ruling will be made

If no stay or action to release the returns is made within the next couple weeks. With possible criminal or financial penalties on the firm holding his returns.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 03:02 PM

2. Given the quality of his team's arguments to-date, only a political SCOTUS would rule in his favor.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 03:07 PM

5. So, the current SCOTUS?

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Response to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 03:53 PM

16. Yep. Yet, I hope they'll surprise me and refuse to hear the arguments.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 03:17 PM

6. Exactly

The Republican "installed" majority in the Supreme Court is their "get out of jail free card" for anything and everything...

WASF

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Response to ancianita (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:09 PM

23. And if they do it wil be a clear signal that the next time we hold the majority in the House and

Senate as well as have a Democrat in the White House that it will be time to increase SCOTUS to 13 seats and do what Moscow Mitch and the Russian Republicans did and pack the courts with our choices though in this case it needs to be extremely progressive and liberal choices.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:11 PM

25. We'll have to see how 2020 unfolds.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:23 PM

29. Well, they'd have to have several of the justices knocked off.

Their appointments are for life. Roberts, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh are young(ish). Thomas isn't going anywhere at this point either, though he's older.

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Response to Texin (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:40 PM

34. Right back to what I said above.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:38 PM

31. The decision was from the 2nd Circuit - the SCOTUS justice overseeing the 2nd is...

RBG

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:45 PM

38. RBG + Impeachment Proceedings means Congress will get the docs. Fingers crossed.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:10 PM

49. They can skip going the single justice route and make their request to the full court

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Even if they have gone to RBG they could go to any other justice after that if she denied it. What typically happens in a situation like this is that the justice assigned to the circuit refers it to the full court.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 03:03 PM

3. I really hope these are released, because it's OBVIOUS they will ruin him.

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Response to C Moon (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 03:30 PM

13. I want them released just because it will drive him MAD!

And if it ruins him too, all the better

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Response to C Moon (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:50 PM

44. When he's acquitted, it MIGHT be the tipping point for voters in 2020. Might not.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 03:05 PM

4. Trump has asked #SCOTUS for a stay in the Deutsche Bank/Capital One subpoenas case.

Amy Howe Retweeted

Trump has asked #SCOTUS for a stay in the Deutsche Bank/Capital One subpoenas case.


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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 03:25 PM

10. If the SCOTUS determines that Trump can hide his tax records and doesn't have to pay his fair taxes

than that means the rest of us don't either. Correct???

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 03:21 PM

7. We will soon find out if the Supreme Court

wants a Imperial President. We live in interesting times.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:46 PM

40. I think the current one was assembled for just that purpose

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #40)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 06:43 PM

66. Because of events in 2016

that gave the Rethugs the White House by Hook or Crook. We are seeing the Federalist Society and the Koch/Walton Heritage Foundations wet dream came true.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 03:22 PM

8. "Emergency" Application? WTF? What's the emergency? It sure in hell ain't natrional interest!

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Response to KPN (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:58 PM

46. The "emergency" is...

...if anyone in Congress actually sees Trump’s tax returns and business records, he’s screwed. A congressman’s first allegiance is to his seat. If supporting Trump puts their seat in danger, Trump is going down - and so are the rest of his corrupt family.

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Fri Dec 6, 2019, 03:54 PM

17. +1

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 03:25 PM

11. Trump asks Supreme Court to shield banking records for now


Updated 2:11 pm CST, Friday, December 6, 2019



Photo: Andrew Harnik, AP
President Donald Trump smiles during a luncheon with members of the United Nations Security Council in the Cabinet Room at the White House in Washington, Thursday, Dec. 5, 2019.

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump and three of his children asked the Supreme Court on Friday to shield records held by Deutsche Bank and Capital One from House Democrats.

The case from New York is similar to two other cases pending before the justices, a subpoena from the House for Trump's financial records and one from the Manhattan district attorney for his tax returns.

The court already has blocked the House from getting the financial records while it considers what to do with the cases. The district attorney has agreed to hold off enforcing his subpoena until the justices act. A decision on whether to hear the cases could come by mid-December.

Trial judges and appellate panels in all three cases have ruled that the records held by the banks and Trump's accounting firm, Mazars USA, must be turned over.

More:
https://www.chron.com/news/us/article/Trump-asks-Supreme-Court-to-shield-banking-14887787.php

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:07 PM

22. Thanks. NT

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:17 PM

54. Appropriately sporting devil horns.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 03:29 PM

12. Has Any Journalist Ever Asked Trump - What He Is Hiding In His Financial Documents That.....

he doesn't want us to see? Have you violated any laws in your filings? If not - then what is the big deal of making them available?

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 03:33 PM

14. I pray they rule AGAINST this asshole! If not,

Our ONLY option will be to VOTE the fucker out!

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 03:50 PM

15. HIs admission that it's an EMERGENCY makes it clear that there's very bad stuff in there.

All the more reason to release IMMEDIATELY. This is a national emergency.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:13 PM

26. Not necessarily. It could also be that it is hard evidence that the successful businessman persona

that he shills about is a fraud and that rather being worth billions he is actually only worth a few paltry million.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #26)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:48 PM

43. That is relevant to the election. Fraudulent resumes can result in jail time.

Or ouster from office.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #26)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:04 PM

48. "Only a few paltry million?"

I think that if you were to apply Generally Accepted Accounting Principles to Trump’s financial picture, that bastard would be at least $5 billion in the red.

Trump has the wonderful habit of buying something with 100 percent Other People’s Money, then crediting the entire value of the item to his personal net worth. Any honest accountant would only put the equity on Trump’s books.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #48)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:33 PM

58. agreed, he could have the lowest net worth in the USA

All homeless people may be billions of dollars richer than he.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 11:45 AM

72. Yep

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 03:59 PM

18. Just wondering

What happens if SCOTUS rules in Trump's favor?

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Response to ClearSky24 (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:06 PM

20. Then he gets a stay. NT

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Response to ClearSky24 (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:07 PM

21. It would likely set precedent for ceding a ton of power away from Congress

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:05 PM

19. So.. how exactly would this be an emergency?

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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:13 PM

50. Because the 2nd Circuit delayed when the banks have to comply to give Trump a chance to appeal

If the SCOTUS doesn't extend the stay, then, he would argue, his case would be moot. I don't agree, but that would be the argument.

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Response to onenote (Reply #50)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:16 PM

53. His case to release his tax returns would be moot?

None of this sounds quite like an "emergency." It just sounds like he is worried his already dwindling chances of re election will exhaust completely if the taxes are released.

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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #53)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:19 PM

55. Emergency in this context doesn't mean what you think it means

It's simply a matter of timeliness.

This request will be granted. How do I know that? Because its not any different than the request made in the Mazars case where the Court granted the request for a stay to allow Trump to file a petition for certiorari (which the Court required on an expedited schedule) and to continue that stay in effect until such time as the Court decides whether to grant the petition for certiorari (which itself wouldn't resolve the case, only allow the appeal to proceed).

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Response to onenote (Reply #55)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:24 PM

57. Thanks for the info!

So what are the chances that the request is not granted? like no chance at all?

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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 11:46 AM

73. Good question

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:11 PM

24. I'm actually glad he is doing this because

we will know one way or the other about the Supreme Court. If they side with Trump on this than we will have all the justification we will ever need to reform the Supreme Court once we have the House,Senate and Presidency and if they rule against Trump which they should, because it's pretty clear cut then republicans are going to look even worse defending Trump after he defies a Supreme Court order and he will. I just hope they hurry up and make a decision.

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Response to standingtall (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:16 PM

28. i agree with all of this n/t

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Response to standingtall (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:40 PM

32. This case, as well as the Mazar case

Involve third parties holding the documents. So The Orange One may not want them to disclose his financial info, but neither the banks nor the accounting firm will defy the Supreme Court.

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Response to standingtall (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:43 PM

35. If they rule against him, then there is no recourse for him to defy the order...

The records to be turned over are NOT in his possession, they are in the bank's...

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Response to standingtall (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:20 PM

56. We already know the outcome of the stay request

It will be granted. How can I be so certain?

Because its not any different than the request made in the Mazars case where the Court granted the request for a stay to allow Trump to file a petition for certiorari (which the Court required on an expedited schedule) and to continue that stay in effect until such time as the Court decides whether to grant the petition for certiorari (which itself wouldn't resolve the case, only allow the appeal to proceed)

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Response to onenote (Reply #56)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:34 PM

59. So one thing that is different is Mazers regards a criminal case, and this one has to do

with the legal and constitutional authority that congress has to attain the information. My understanding is there is a lot more precedent for the latter than for the former?

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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #59)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:46 PM

62. I don't think so.

There are a lot of different cases flying around, so its hard to keep them straight. However, as far as I know, the Mazars case arises out of a subpoena issued by the House Oversight Committee to Mazars while the Deutsche Bank/Capital One case arises out of a subpoena issued by the House Intelligence and Financial Service Committees. In both cases, the argument is that the subpoena is in furtherance of legislative function. Indeed, it couldn't be for a criminal investigation since Congress doesn't enforce the law, it makes the law.

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Response to onenote (Reply #62)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:56 PM

64. Apparently it affected both the NY Grand Jury subpoena and the congressional subpoena last month...

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:30 PM

30. is there such a thing as an emergency application to the SCOTUS?

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Response to onetexan (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:16 PM

52. Yes. Happens all the time.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:40 PM

33. Every time he acts to block something or someone,

I have to think that what he has to hide is massive.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:44 PM

36. This is great, for obvious reason

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:44 PM

37. Has he tried in any way

To call or contact any of the justices, especially Justice Roberts concerning any of the cases they may be involved in, or offered bribes of any kind since he's been in office to them? He has a problem with addiction , and habits , and patterns. It shows his tells.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:02 PM

47. Must be some really damaging information in there. Hope they kick it out.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:16 PM

51. lying, cheating, grifting con man

Just what is the big orange whale so afraid of? Perhaps how indebted he is to Russia?

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:39 PM

60. Emergency?

Lol.... I think he meant desperate.

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #60)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 11:46 AM

74. Yep

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:40 PM

61. And trump says

Nancy is nervous.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:54 PM

63. Anybody else think he might resign

rather than be forced to give up his financial information.
Even if nothing criminal is found, they will likely indicate Trump has nowhere near as much income as he claims.

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Response to VMA131Marine (Reply #63)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 08:09 AM

70. No, He absolutely won't resign. Nt

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 06:22 PM

65. Does the SCOTUS even have jurisdiction over a bank in Germany?

n/t

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 08:49 PM

67. Just keep piling it on until he breaks.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Fri Dec 6, 2019, 09:34 PM

68. what the fuck is this weasel hiding?

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Response to pansypoo53219 (Reply #68)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 11:46 AM

75. That is an excellent question

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 06:05 AM

69. If Trump has nothing to hide? Why?

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Sun Dec 8, 2019, 11:45 AM

71. ...

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