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Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:35 PM

jpak (37,535 posts)

Russia bans sale of gadgets without Russian-made software

Source: BBC

Russia has passed a law banning the sale of certain devices that are not pre-installed with Russian software.

The law will come into force in July 2020 and cover smartphones, computers and smart televisions.

Proponents of the legislation say it is aimed at promoting Russian technology and making it easier for people in the country to use the gadgets they buy.

But there are concerns about surveillance and fears that firms could pull out of the Russian market.

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Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50507849

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Russia bans sale of gadgets without Russian-made software (Original post)	jpak	Nov 21	OP
Well of course they did	DUgosh	Nov 21	#1
Naw, they wouldn't	safeinOhio	Nov 21	#2
Exactly. Don't have to wrry about me ever buying Russian gadgets. GAH	iluvtennis	Nov 21	#4
That's some low effort on Russia's part...	Sapient Donkey	Nov 21	#3
Reminds me of the 'Buy American' days	ArizonaLib	Nov 21	#5
Yeah they are so similar	BannonsLiver	Nov 22	#12
You may want to read Shoshana Zuboff's 'Big Data as Surveillance Capitalism'	LanternWaste	Nov 22	#15
There goes Apple.	crazytown	Nov 21	#6
Re-building of the Iron Curtain	C Moon	Nov 21	#7
But we been buying shit from all over the Pentagon uses imported electronics....	Historic NY	Nov 22	#8
They've taken note of what China has done to control content and dissent.	Ford_Prefect	Nov 22	#9
Pre-installed malware/spyware. Big Brother is sniffing data packets. . . . . nt	Bernardo de La Paz	Nov 22	#10
Actually a good idea...	TomVilmer	Nov 22	#11
Well there's the pro putin, false equivalency point of view.	BannonsLiver	Nov 22	#13
- or the "outside of the bubble" POV	TomVilmer	Nov 22	#16
I'm sure there's a perfectly innocent explanation for this. nt	eppur_se_muova	Nov 22	#14
Clearing the way for the trump org...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Nov 22	#17

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Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:37 PM

DUgosh (2,704 posts)

1. Well of course they did

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Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:49 PM

safeinOhio (17,483 posts)

2. Naw, they wouldn't

load em up with spy ware and all kinds of back doors. Going to need bigger concentration camps.

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Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:32 PM

iluvtennis (9,604 posts)

4. Exactly. Don't have to wrry about me ever buying Russian gadgets. GAH

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Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:52 PM

Sapient Donkey (529 posts)

3. That's some low effort on Russia's part...

come on, guys. Put some effort into doing it more stealthy way so you can at least have some plausible deniability or whatever....

On a related note, I am finding the book 'The Perfect Weapon' by David Sanger to be interesting.

https://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Weapon-Sabotage-Fear-Cyber/dp/0451497899/

There is also an audio book for it on audible. Totally worth checking out.

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Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:35 PM

ArizonaLib (587 posts)

5. Reminds me of the 'Buy American' days

where we promoted purchasing that helped the American job market.

The article's concerns about Russian companies pulling out, in effect makes room for any other Russian oligarch to move into that market. What the hell kind of businessman runs out on a near monopoly? - Oh wait, I remember one such idiot that bankrupted his own casino and managed to lose lucrative annual patronage from the PGA at his Florida resort. I guess it can be done.

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Fri Nov 22, 2019, 10:28 AM

BannonsLiver (7,739 posts)

12. Yeah they are so similar

Gadgets like iPhones and computers that people store personal information on that can be monitored by the govt, and American made cotton socks.

Basically the same thing, really.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 22, 2019, 12:16 PM

LanternWaste (34,306 posts)

15. You may want to read Shoshana Zuboff's 'Big Data as Surveillance Capitalism'

As your desire to appear skeptical seems (ironically) a wee bit naive in regards to behavioral data used for analysis and sales in the marriage of US government and large commercial entities.

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Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:51 PM

crazytown (6,451 posts)

6. There goes Apple.

This is one thing Apple has never compromised on - preloading their products with crapware - whether from carriers or anyone else. They have compromised removing by software from local AppStores, but not adding it,not even Flash when it reigned supreme on the the web.

Windows and Android - no problem. Manufacturers load them with their own crapware, for a start.

EDIT: They did load Macs with Internet Explorer from Microsoft, prior to developing Safari.

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Thu Nov 21, 2019, 11:32 PM

C Moon (7,252 posts)

7. Re-building of the Iron Curtain

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Fri Nov 22, 2019, 12:40 AM

Historic NY (32,434 posts)

8. But we been buying shit from all over the Pentagon uses imported electronics....

planes & ships electronics, other software,

[link:https://www.newsweek.com/russia-reviewed-security-software-used-pentagon-675586|]

[link:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-russia/tech-firms-let-russia-probe-software-widely-used-by-u-s-government-idUSKBN1FE1DT|]

[link:https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2018/07/pentagon-creates-do-not-buy-list-russian-chinese-software/150100/|]

The stupid still goes on.

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Fri Nov 22, 2019, 05:22 AM

Ford_Prefect (2,726 posts)

9. They've taken note of what China has done to control content and dissent.

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Fri Nov 22, 2019, 06:18 AM

Bernardo de La Paz (30,270 posts)

10. Pre-installed malware/spyware. Big Brother is sniffing data packets. . . . . nt

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Fri Nov 22, 2019, 08:31 AM

TomVilmer (771 posts)

11. Actually a good idea...

... just like when the EU demands a free choice of browsers. And as somebody living in the EU, I am not more disturbed by possible Russian surveillance in Russia, than I am of US surveillance in Europe. More from the Big Brother companies misusing my data on a daily basis.

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Fri Nov 22, 2019, 10:30 AM

BannonsLiver (7,739 posts)

13. Well there's the pro putin, false equivalency point of view.

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Fri Nov 22, 2019, 12:45 PM

TomVilmer (771 posts)

16. - or the "outside of the bubble" POV

But thanks for showing how living in a sole Black/White world looks like.

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Fri Nov 22, 2019, 11:44 AM

eppur_se_muova (30,421 posts)

14. I'm sure there's a perfectly innocent explanation for this. nt

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Fri Nov 22, 2019, 01:01 PM

discntnt_irny_srcsm (15,494 posts)

17. Clearing the way for the trump org...

...to sell used (and likely outlawed) US voting machines to Russia.

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