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Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:50 AM

Trump says he won't allow Navy to act against SEAL who posed with ISIS corpse

Source: NBC

President Donald Trump on Thursday said he will not allow the Navy to take away an emblem signifying membership in the elite SEALs unit from an officer convicted of posing with an teen ISIS fighter's corpse.

"The Navy will NOT be taking away Warfighter and Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher’s Trident Pin. This case was handled very badly from the beginning," the tweet read. "Get back to business!"

The Navy will NOT be taking away Warfighter and Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher’s Trident Pin. This case was handled very badly from the beginning. Get back to business!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 21, 2019

Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher was acquitted in July by a military jury of murder and war crimes but was found guilty of posing with the corpse of the teenage fighter for the Islamic State militant group.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-slams-navy-acting-against-seal-convicted-posing-isis-corpse-n1088356?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma

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Reply Trump says he won't allow Navy to act against SEAL who posed with ISIS corpse (Original post)
demmiblue Nov 21 OP
dewsgirl Nov 21 #1
PJMcK Nov 21 #3
PJMcK Nov 21 #2
malthaussen Nov 22 #40
Texin Nov 21 #4
CanonRay Nov 21 #6
MBS Nov 21 #8
CanonRay Nov 21 #9
MBS Nov 21 #36
irisblue Nov 21 #18
mahatmakanejeeves Nov 21 #5
mr_lebowski Nov 21 #31
pm_me_grey_paint Nov 21 #7
Botany Nov 21 #10
AtheistCrusader Nov 21 #12
Botany Nov 21 #14
AtheistCrusader Nov 21 #20
Corgigal Nov 21 #11
MartyTheGreek Nov 21 #13
mahatmakanejeeves Nov 21 #15
demmiblue Nov 21 #17
sdfernando Nov 21 #25
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 21 #27
BlueIdaho Nov 21 #16
Mr.Bill Nov 21 #19
KPN Nov 21 #21
LanternWaste Nov 21 #22
marble falls Nov 21 #23
MineralMan Nov 21 #24
mr_lebowski Nov 21 #26
Quackers Nov 21 #28
atreides1 Nov 21 #32
Quackers Nov 21 #33
DeminPennswoods Nov 21 #29
atreides1 Nov 21 #30
riversedge Nov 21 #34
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 21 #35
dustyscamp Nov 21 #37
Piasladic Nov 22 #41
jmowreader Nov 22 #38
malthaussen Nov 22 #39

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:51 AM

1. I hope the Navy sticks to their guns.

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:53 AM

3. The sailors will torpedo Gallagher (n/t)

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:52 AM

2. Nothing like building morale in the armed services

Way to go, Trump.

Let's see how the Navy handles this. Gallagher should resign and leave the service. Failing that, I'm confident the sailors will act accordingly.

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 22, 2019, 11:40 AM

40. He's enlisted, he can't "resign." n/t

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:54 AM

4. You'd think after the day the motherfucker had yesterday, he wouldn't go after the military now.

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Response to Texin (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:57 AM

6. This illustrates why, to me, this moron won't resign

He's as pig-headed as he is stupid.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:02 AM

8. I wish I disagreed with you

But I fear you're absolutely right.

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Response to MBS (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:03 AM

9. Well, I've been consistently wrong about everything this year

so we'll see. When in doubt, bet against me.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 03:19 PM

36. This is one case where I'll hope that you are wrong.

But this has been such a bizarre time, I would not discount the possibility of any outcome.
There was a great New Yorker cartoon, around Dec 2016 (unfortunately, I can't find it right now) that showed a guy in a downtown office, talking to a colleague at his desk, with a giant bird looming outside his window. The guy said to his colleague something like, "How I long for the days when something like this (the bird) would be the most bizarre thing that happened this year"
Hope we emerge from this Twilight Zone universe soon.

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Response to Texin (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:58 AM

18. He is playing to Keyboard Team 6

Big tough boss man asserting himself

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:54 AM

5. Here comes trouble.



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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 01:09 PM

31. For a minute I thought Tommy was playin' John's long lost Rick in this vid, but on closer look ...

Slightly different model.

Man I'd love to have one o' either of those from that era ... but they're BANK now.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:59 AM

7. Eh...

The goat locker if they are worthy of the title of Chief will freeze E7 Gallagher socially out of Navy circles.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:13 AM

10. Good God in Butter

Why is Trump interfering w/the Navy's internal business?

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Response to Botany (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:15 AM

12. Because he's a narcissistic road-rage simian who can't handle anyone questioning his judgment.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:28 AM

14. I think ADD, tertiary syphilis, and with some kind of drug habit too

I hope everybody in the military takes a good look @ how Trump disrespects all of them
from a private up to a 5 star general or an Admiral in not paying attention to their chain
of command and practices.

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Response to Botany (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 11:02 AM

20. The military will be divided on this, but a lot of them are going to be MAX pissed about it.

The ones that support trump won't be as emotionally invested in it, I don't think.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:13 AM

11. Wish he cared about his minor children,

as much as he cares about war criminal.

Oh well, people disappear from ships.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:39 AM

15. The New York Times is reporting that he has, in fact, done this, not just said he would.

Trump Reverses Navy Decision to Oust Edward Gallagher From SEALs

The president said Chief Gallagher, who has been at center of a high-profile war crime case, would not lose his membership in the elite commando force.

By Dave Philipps
Nov. 21, 2019, 8:58 a.m. ET

President Trump on Thursday reversed a decision by the Navy seeking to oust Navy SEAL Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher from the elite commando force.

Chief Gallagher has been at the center of a high-profile war crime case and was granted clemency by the president on Friday. He was notified on Wednesday that the Navy planned to start the process to remove the Trident pin that symbolizes membership in the SEALs.

Less than 24 hours later, Mr. Trump announced on Twitter it would not happen, saying “The Navy will NOT be taking away Warfighter and Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher’s Trident Pin. This case was handled very badly from the beginning. Get back to business!”
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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:58 AM

17. Thanks for the link.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 12:56 PM

25. once orange jabba the hut is out the pin is gone...so only a temporary setback

and that guy is going to be persona non grata for the rest of his career. He best get out now while he still has that pin because his career is stalled. Not going to make another promotion.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 12:58 PM

27. Leaving him in destroys operational readiness because team bonding is paramount in spec ops


If tRump forces the issue, then any team he is on will never see action. His mates will know that.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:52 AM

16. Hey Fatso, your the President, not the king of America. nt.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 11:02 AM

19. That order must go through proper channels.

The military does not take orders from Twitter.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 11:38 AM

21. This asshole truly thinks he's KING. That's the root of how dangerous he rteally is -- and GOP

morons and criminals are A-Okay with that!

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 11:43 AM

22. He like soldiers indicted by our military more than soldiers taken prisoner.

Idiot's gonna do what idiot's gonna do.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 12:20 PM

23. In fact Trumpolini wants to give the seal a new medal ...

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 12:33 PM

24. Commander-in-Chief, eh?

Top of the news this evening? It should be.

"Here is your President, and this is what he did!"

Explain, and then show the photo of Gallagher posing with the corpse.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 12:57 PM

26. Told everyone (here included) yesterday this is what he'd do ... just sayin (nt)

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 01:02 PM

28. Like it or not, Trump is the top of the chain of command. The Navy will have to obey. nt

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Response to Quackers (Reply #28)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 01:10 PM

32. Perhaps

But nothing is stopping the Navy from putting him behind a desk...in a warehouse...so he can count bed linens!!!

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #32)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 01:27 PM

33. Yes and no.

Nothing wrong with giving a sailor a lawful order. However, if he is consistently given the shit details and prevented from advancing himself or his station, he can file an article 138 complaint with the IG. Given the very public nature of his career, you can bet the IG will investigate.

Now with that said, there are non official ways of handling things in the military. I don’t mean to make it sound as spooky as it does or condone such behavior, however, from my military experience, such things do happen. I’ll leave it at that.


On edit: I noticed the Army Star in your avatar. You probably know exactly what I’m talking about.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 01:07 PM

29. The Navy can make Gallagher's life so miserable

he'll resign or retire.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 01:08 PM

30. The problem now

Since his acquittal, Gallagher has been a frequent critic of the Navy, particularly fellow SEALs who testified against him. He has described top SEAL commanders as "morons."

If Gallagher keeps shooting his mouth off, the Navy can file charges using:

Article 134. General article:
Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special, or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.


The punishment could be reduction in grade, forfeiture of pay for a specified amount, and suspend it for x number of months. And then they can sit his ass behind a desk...counting supplies!!!

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 01:39 PM

34. Trump is creating an atmostphere whereby Seals can get away with crimes. Shame.




.....Gallagher was ordered dropped in rank from chief to petty officer first class. But last week, Trump reversed the order, directing Gallagher's restoration as chief petty officer.

Trump's order was widely reported to have created a rift with the Navy, and Tuesday night, a defense official said the service would seek to strip Gallagher and three of his supervising officers of the gold eagle Trident emblem signifying that they are members of one of the Navy's elite Special Warfare Navy Sea, Air and Land units, known as SEALs.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 01:55 PM

35. To Fat Donnie, "no quid pro quo" is more important than"esprit de corps."

Actually, he probably doesn't know what either term means. He definitely has no clue how important esprit de corp is in the military. Gallagher may be reinstated, but the other SEALs can shun him, and he still gets regular reports from his commander evaluating his performance. He should just drop out, write his book and go to RW conventions. Maybe Fox will hire him as a military expert.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2019, 04:13 PM

37. Armchair Generals and Magat soldiers in the comment section here support Trumps decision

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Response to dustyscamp (Reply #37)

Fri Nov 22, 2019, 12:00 PM

41. Actually

I was pretty happy reading the comments. Usually, the comment section makes me want to hide under my bed covers and try to love (humanity) again. This was more of a mixed bag with the anti-moron people edging out. Yay, team!

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Nov 22, 2019, 11:22 AM

38. "Warfighter and Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher"...

...needs to be reassigned to the arms room for the remainder of his hitch. Since Trump has decided to exercise undue command influence in this case they can't kick him out of the SEALs, but there's nothing that says they have to keep him in a SEAL platoon. When the investigation comes, as it will, the commander simply has to utter the most powerful words in all the Navy: "we have lost confidence in his abilities."

They ALSO need to slap a bar to reenlistment on him.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Fri Nov 22, 2019, 11:38 AM

39. He's the boss.

But E-7 Gallagher (who is not an officer, btw), will be persona non grata everywhere he goes in the Navy henceforth.

-- Mal

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