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Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:43 AM

BREAKING Jeffrey Epstein Suicide: Two Jail Workers Arrested

Source: New York Times

Two federal workers who were on duty the night Jeffrey Epstein killed himself in a Manhattan jail were taken into custody early Tuesday on federal charges related to their alleged failure to check on him, according to a person with knowledge of the matter.

The two federal Bureau of Prisons employees were expected to be charged later in the morning and appear in United States District Court in Manhattan.

The charges would be the first to arise from a criminal inquiry into the death of Mr. Epstein, who hanged himself at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan while awaiting trial on sex-trafficking charges.

The workers came under scrutiny shortly after Mr. Epstein’s death, because they were responsible for monitoring the high-security unit where Mr. Epstein, the disgraced financier who had previously been convicted of sex crimes, was being held.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/19/nyregion/epstein-prison-guards-arrested.html

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Reply BREAKING Jeffrey Epstein Suicide: Two Jail Workers Arrested (Original post)
catbyte Nov 19 OP
rurallib Nov 19 #1
jberryhill Nov 19 #4
Metatron Nov 19 #7
PJMcK Nov 19 #8
AtheistCrusader Nov 19 #36
AllaN01Bear Nov 19 #38
bitterross Nov 19 #14
Arthur_Frain Nov 19 #18
unblock Nov 19 #40
getagrip_already Nov 19 #27
jberryhill Nov 19 #41
getagrip_already Nov 19 #45
jberryhill Nov 19 #47
lagomorph777 Nov 19 #46
Iliyah Nov 19 #2
empedocles Nov 19 #3
Botany Nov 19 #9
mpcamb Nov 19 #17
whathehell Nov 19 #31
Botany Nov 19 #33
whathehell Nov 19 #34
Botany Nov 19 #35
jberryhill Nov 19 #48
Botany Nov 19 #50
jberryhill Nov 19 #51
Botany Nov 19 #52
jberryhill Nov 19 #54
Botany Nov 19 #55
FarPoint Nov 19 #29
MontanaMama Nov 19 #5
brush Nov 19 #6
Traildogbob Nov 19 #12
Raine Nov 19 #57
IronLionZion Nov 19 #10
Merlot Nov 19 #15
IronLionZion Nov 19 #20
Ponietz Nov 19 #24
jberryhill Nov 19 #49
jberryhill Nov 19 #28
pecosbob Nov 19 #11
Talitha Nov 19 #13
brush Nov 19 #16
KY_EnviroGuy Nov 19 #19
jberryhill Nov 19 #22
James48 Nov 19 #21
stillcool Nov 19 #23
AtheistCrusader Nov 19 #37
Neema Nov 19 #25
Locrian Nov 19 #39
jberryhill Nov 19 #44
Locrian Nov 19 #56
Neema Nov 19 #58
empedocles Nov 19 #26
Kablooie Nov 19 #30
Apollo Zeus Nov 19 #32
treestar Nov 19 #42
jberryhill Nov 19 #43
treestar Nov 19 #60
LiberalLovinLug Nov 19 #53
Baltimike Nov 19 #59
Corgigal Nov 19 #61
YOHABLO Nov 20 #62

Response to catbyte (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:45 AM

1. let us hope they do some talking

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Response to rurallib (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:48 AM

4. Just a helpful note


If you are ever arrested for something, stop talking.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:09 AM

7. that's the best advice

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:09 AM

8. Four simple things

1. Name
2. Address
3. Demand an attorney
4. Shut up

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:34 AM

36. 4. Assert the Fifth.

If you shut up and don't assert the fifth, your interrogation can last indefinitely, and silence can be used against you.
Assert your rights early and often.

https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=61f0c293-44b7-4614-9437-98574bb319c3

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:29 PM

38. also this ,,,

you have the right to remain silent . if u give up the right to remain silent anything that u say will be held against you in a court of law. if you are taken downtown for questioning, you have the right to an attorney, if you cant afford one , one will be appointed for you. you also have your right of 5 amndment self incrimination. do you understand these rights , yes or no?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:24 AM

14. That is the best advice.

Be polite and say you do not wish to answer questions. No one is obligated to talk to the police for anything more than routine matters such as an ID check in most states. That isn't even necessary in many places. Know your rights.

If you're driving a car and get pulled over you are obligated to show a license. If you're just walking down the street - not so much.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:30 AM

18. I have memorized a 5 word mantra for that moment

‘I have nothing to say”.

Said respectfully, not tauntingly, not angrily. Just a repeated, if necessary, statement of fact.

Most folks could do with those words in that situation.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:30 PM

40. well -- talking can be incredibly valuable, it's just when you talk and under what conditions

on arrest, yes, immediately stop talking, other than to say you want a lawyer.

but once you and your lawyer are in a position to cut a deal with a prosecutor, at that point, talking can be quite useful.

presumably that's what the post meant, though you certainly raise a very important point that the talking shouldn't be immediately upon arrest.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:56 AM

27. they were apparently offered immunity to testify...

either that or a plea deal where they had to testify, and they declined.

Apparent'y barr has a bigger stick than the prison legal system.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:49 PM

41. "barr has a bigger stick than the prison legal system"


Could you perhaps explain this "prison legal system" which you apparently believe to be separate from the DoJ?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #41)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 01:29 PM

45. it is my understanding that...

the Bureau of Prisons has its own internal affairs division with their own prosecutors. They are still part of the federal doj, but distinct from the fbi.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #45)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 02:18 PM

47. Your understanding is incorrect


https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/correctional-officers-charged-falsifying-records-august-9th-and-10th-metropolitan

Geoffrey S. Berman, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Guido Modano, Special Agent in Charge of the Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General, New York Field Office (“DOJ OIG”), and William F. Sweeney Jr., Assistant Director-in-Charge of the New York Field Office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”), announced today the unsealing of an indictment charging federal correctional officers TOVA NOEL and MICHAEL THOMAS with making false records and conspiring to make false records and to defraud the United States by impairing the lawful functions of the Metropolitan Correctional Center (“MCC”), a Manhattan detention facility that houses federal inmates. NOEL and THOMAS surrendered this morning. The case is assigned to Southern District of New York U.S. District Judge Analisa Torres.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 01:53 PM

46. I knew this case was going to blow up eventually.

Waaaay too many coincidences.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:45 AM

2. What about the cameras?

This death goes directly to the top - I see you Criminal Barr.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:46 AM

3. Yes and yes

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:14 AM

9. And both cameras went "bad" after Barr visited the Federal facility where Epstein was bing held ...

.... and Epstein wound up dead w/in 24 hours of the information that Trump was still flying on
Epstein's planes long after Trump said he had no longer had any contact w/Epstein and that
Epstein said that Trump had let him use his plane to fly young girls around.

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Response to Botany (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:30 AM

17. Barr's known Epstein for decades.

Barr’s history with Epstein stretches back to the ‘70s, when Barr’s father hired Epstein to teach mathematics at Manhattan’s prestigious Dalton School. And Barr previously worked for Kirkland & Ellis, a law firm that represented Epstein during the 2008 Florida investigation.
Barr still didn't recuse himself from Epstein’s sex trafficking case, despite initially saying he would do so.

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Response to Botany (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:07 AM

31. Aw geez, I didn't know the camera fail was linked to Barr

What is he, the Harbinger of Death?..The Grim friggin' Reaper? ..Did you know he was Opus Dei?...This shit's looking scary.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/26/opinion/william-barr-trump.html

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Response to whathehell (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:13 AM

33. I can't show a causal link between Barr's visit and Epstein's death and the video cameras ...

... "going bad." However between these 2 cases and many other "things" random chance seems
like a remote possibility.

But I feel bad for the guards because they probalbly put on enormous pressure before Jeff's death a
and afterwards too. We are dealing with organized crime here and Barr is a consigliere in this
international crime family.

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Response to Botany (Reply #33)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:17 AM

34. Does the timeline indicate that the cameras 'just happened' to

malfunction after Barr's visit? I didn't even know he was there

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Response to whathehell (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:20 AM

35. Barr was there about a week before Epstein's death.

n/t

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Response to Botany (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 02:25 PM

48. So what?


There are of course way more than two cameras on the way in to that area of the prison.

Perhaps folks might actually READ the indictment:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-release/file/1218466/download

20. As reflected on video obtained from the MCC's internal video surveillance system, at approximately 10:30 p.m. on August 9, 2019 — after' TOVA NOEL, the defendant, had signed and submitted the 10 p.m. count slip and the institutional count had been completed — NOEL briefly walked up to, and then walked back from, the door to the tier in which Epstein was housed. As confirmed by the video obtained from the MCC's internal video surveillance system, this was the last time anyone, including any correctional officer, walked up to, let alone entered, the only entrance to the tier in which Epstein was housed until approximately 6:30 a,.m. on August 10.

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How do you explain that nobody showed up on the camera fixed at the entrance itself?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #48)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 02:33 PM

50. "How do you explain that nobody showed up on the camera fixed at the entrance itself?"

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Response to Botany (Reply #50)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 02:34 PM

51. This isn't a Terminator movie


The investigators who brought the indictment, and the medical examiner are all idiots, right?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #51)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 02:51 PM

52. It might as well be because we are way down the Rabbit Hole w/the Trump Presidency & Epstein's

... death and his associations with Trump and company is just one more little outlier in what can be best described
as the largest criminal operation in history. This Trump "thing" is so big no one person can get their head around
all the moving parts. Maybe Jeffery was successful in committing suicide but there is still much to the Trump/Epstein
story that we don't know about.

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Response to Botany (Reply #52)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 02:57 PM

54. Did you catch any of what the 23 victims who testified had to say?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #54)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:13 PM

55. Yes and I live in Columbus Ohio the home to one of Jeff's "friends," Les Wexner.

Jeff's businesses were black mail and extortion not finical planning and he had his hooks
into Les big time. Trump's ties to Epstein are just more examples of just how "mobbed up"
he is.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:03 AM

29. I sense that you are correct....

Not sure we'll be able to get the facts and the truth.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:51 AM

5. Let's hope these two roll

on who was calling the shots in this murder.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:05 AM

6. Those poor schmucks are the fall guys for the killing of Epstein. They are going...

to jail and they dare not disclose who and how it was arranged for both of them to be on break or asleep or whatever the excuse was for their convenient dereliction of duty while Epstein died, as they know death comes easily when one endangers the reputations of certain rich and powerful men.

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Response to brush (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:21 AM

12. Do not pass go

How many people are in jail, will go to jail because of being a part of trump? Yet, not one single trump will ever face a day in jail. Justice for all. God be Blessin MURKKKA. This is what so many soldiers died for. Junior feels their pain, and appreciates the freedom they give him and his family. Untouchable freedom.

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Response to brush (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:23 PM

57. Exactly! nt

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:15 AM

10. They should name the wealthy assholes who paid them off

or threatened them into it.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:27 AM

15. They probably didn't get paid off or know anything

My guess is they were following orders and taking their break. It's the higher ups who need to be investigated.

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Response to Merlot (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:37 AM

20. Name the higher ups

Either the Feds or NY State should keep investigating to get to the bottom of this.

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Response to Merlot (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:43 AM

24. The warden that removed him from suicide watch is a prime suspect

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 02:28 PM

49. How do you explain this?

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-release/file/1218466/download

12. Epstein remained on suicide watch for approximately twenty-four hours, and then was transferred to psychological observation, until July 30, 2019. Psychological observation is less restrictive than suicide watch, but inmates are still housed in the hospital wing of the MCC and watched twenty-four hours a day.

13. On July 30, 2019, Epstein was transferred back to the SHU, and, at the direction of the MCC's psychological staff, was required to have an assigned cellmate. Epstein was also assigned to the cell closest to the correctional officers' desk in the common area of the SHU, which was approximately fifteen feet from the cell. Conducting the required institutional counts and thirty-minute rounds in the SHU were also part of the MCC's procedures for ensuring the safety of inmates, including Epstein.

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Are you saying that the warden ordered Epstein back over the objection of the psychological staff?

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:58 AM

28. Then why prosecute them at all?


If Barr is interested in covering up what happened, then why is the DoJ going after these two?

Wouldn't it make more sense not to do that?

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:20 AM

11. What do you call an animal that is ritually burdened with the sins of others, and then driven away?

Oh, yeah...a scapegoat.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:21 AM

13. "Nice families you've got there, hope nothing happens to them."

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Response to Talitha (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:29 AM

16. Yep. They are the fall guys.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:31 AM

19. What would the charges likely be here?

Normally I would expect only firing since it may be dereliction of duty.

Have they been arrested because they're alleged to have lied to investigators?........

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:42 AM

22. Falsifying records


They are alleged to have falsified the log records on their shift.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:40 AM

21. News flash

Jeffery Epstein didn't kill John McCain!

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:43 AM

23. I'm sure they were paid well...

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Response to stillcool (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:37 AM

37. They weren't paid or told anything.

Nobody explains shit to the scapegoat, so the scapegoat can't turn state's witness.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:44 AM

25. I hope they were paid and not threatened (or their families threatened). If they were paid

I have no sympathy for them. If they were threatened, then they're in a really shitty situation.

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Response to Neema (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:29 PM

39. likely both

you can take the cash and shut up, or you decline and we go to work on you and/or your family

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Response to Locrian (Reply #39)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 01:00 PM

44. And what would you, personally, do in those circumstances?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #44)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:13 PM

56. it's a moral paradox / consequentialism

Debating or guessing unless you're directly in the specific situation is useless.

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Response to Locrian (Reply #39)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:43 PM

58. Well, both is still a threat. Maybe one could argue they should refuse the money, but how many of us

have ever been in a situation where very powerful, very scary men with clearly no morals or ethics are threatening to hurt your family if you don't take their hush money?

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:49 AM

26. The 'process' grinds on

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:03 AM

30. Better check their bank accounts.

Find out where that big bonus came from when Epstein died.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:13 AM

32. interesting timing

3 months after the event

Why are Epstein's accomplices at large? with no charges?

I believe the women: Epstein was running a blackmail operation.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:49 PM

42. a criminal charge?

I could see that as cause for firing and maybe even a civil suit, but what it up with criminal charges?

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Response to treestar (Reply #42)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:56 PM

43. Falsifying the watch log


Falsifying a federal record is a crime.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #43)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:22 PM

60. I see

I they did that, it’s a crime

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 02:53 PM

53. I don't think they will ever find out what happened. He was murdered.

Too many high powered wealthy players involved. Trump, and other Republicans. Not going to say Democrats too, but perhaps some of their top wealthiest donors, who contribute usually to both parties. Enough that Democrats, who have enough on their hands right now anyways, would rather not go down the road of further investigation and digging into it either.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 08:29 PM

59. Does anyone else not think he's dead?

I think he's on one of his islands somewhere. Or, at least, it wouldn't surprise me to find out if he were.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:27 PM

61. Just make sure it's a jury trial.

With an Casey Anthony type attorney. Let the conspiracy fly wild, mis-trials for years.

Attorney writes a book for 2 million.

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Response to catbyte (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:56 AM

62. Epstein held the dirt on Trump and possibly Barr. We already know Trump's reputation.

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